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Post by trickster on Aug 25, 2021 17:31:13 GMT
We need to get a little fella in there like they used to have (maybe still do?) in nightclubs. Little aftershave tray and a brush and mop to keep on top of it all. " No Dolce and Gabbana, no champs of Vanarama" I was gonna say "no spray no lay" but it feels pointless after this. Redundant really. |
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Post by BWScarf on Aug 25, 2021 21:31:52 GMT
We’re more likely to see the Popside corners filled than the Main Stand. Especially since they’ve said any renovation of the Main Stand would include the current facade - the footprint of the building isn’t big enough to match with a new Popside and a Railway End. Many many years ago on the old board I used MS Paint to knock up a layout for how I would go about upgrading EP. It included two new two tiered stands on the Popside and RE at the same height as the CE which were joined in the south east corner. The Main Stand would stay at the same height it is now but extended to the full length of the pitch. I imagine the owners are looking at something similar to that. I've bodged this very quickly using a piece of free software. If we can get the Bungalow land and the land between the Pop and the railway then there's plenty of room to expand to stands of depth as the Cheadle End, and with better architectural knowledge today stands could be steeper and hold a higher capacity if necessary. Certainly no need for restricted views.   [/quote Stott mentioned it (albeit briefly) at the forum. If I remember correctly: Stage one in the coming years would/will be a standalone 7,500-seater replacement for the Pop. That’d mean filling in 1/3 of the reservoir behind it. Stage two would be a standalone replacement for the Cheadle End, similar in size and stature to the Cheadle End. That’d mean buying the bowling green. Stage three would be an extended Main Stand, bringing it to the full length of the pitch and keeping the original façade. Stage four would be a potential filling in of the corner between the Railway End and the Pop (I think that’s what he said, anyway). So that’d be: Cheadle End - 5.5K Pop Side - 7.5K Railway End - 5-5.5K Main Stand - 3.5-4K With a possible additional 6K by filling corners in to make it 28,000. |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 25, 2021 22:54:08 GMT
I've bodged this very quickly using a piece of free software. If we can get the Bungalow land and the land between the Pop and the railway then there's plenty of room to expand to stands of depth as the Cheadle End, and with better architectural knowledge today stands could be steeper and hold a higher capacity if necessary. Certainly no need for restricted views. [/quote Stott mentioned it (albeit briefly) at the forum. If I remember correctly: Stage one in the coming years would/will be a standalone 7,500-seater replacement for the Pop. That’d mean filling in 1/3 of the reservoir behind it. Stage two would be a standalone replacement for the Cheadle End, similar in size and stature to the Cheadle End. That’d mean buying the bowling green. Stage three would be an extended Main Stand, bringing it to the full length of the pitch and keeping the original façade. Stage four would be a potential filling in of the corner between the Railway End and the Pop (I think that’s what he said, anyway). So that’d be: Cheadle End - 5.5K Pop Side - 7.5K Railway End - 5-5.5K Main Stand - 3.5-4K With a possible additional 6K by filling corners in to make it 28,000. I know he mentioned it. I was just harking back to a very dodgy paint job I did way back when - that was still probably better than the one I did here 😂 |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 25, 2021 23:10:04 GMT
I know he mentioned it. I was just harking back to a very dodgy paint job I did way back when - that was still probably better than the one I did here 😂 What this is also showing to me is that if they did indeed get hold of a portion of Sykes reservoir then filling in both Popside corners is well within the realms of possibility. Having the Cheadle End, Popside and Railway end as a bowl with a full pitch length Main Stand as an individual stand could look really cool in my eyes. |
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Post by edinburghhatter on Aug 25, 2021 23:25:07 GMT
I've bodged this very quickly using a piece of free software. If we can get the Bungalow land and the land between the Pop and the railway then there's plenty of room to expand to stands of depth as the Cheadle End, and with better architectural knowledge today stands could be steeper and hold a higher capacity if necessary. Certainly no need for restricted views. [/quote Stott mentioned it (albeit briefly) at the forum. If I remember correctly: Stage one in the coming years would/will be a standalone 7,500-seater replacement for the Pop. That’d mean filling in 1/3 of the reservoir behind it. Stage two would be a standalone replacement for the Cheadle End, similar in size and stature to the Cheadle End. That’d mean buying the bowling green. Stage three would be an extended Main Stand, bringing it to the full length of the pitch and keeping the original façade. Stage four would be a potential filling in of the corner between the Railway End and the Pop (I think that’s what he said, anyway). So that’d be: Cheadle End - 5.5K Pop Side - 7.5K Railway End - 5-5.5K Main Stand - 3.5-4K With a possible additional 6K by filling corners in to make it 28,000. Depending on who you believe, the Cheadle end has either 5045 or 5180 "brand new" seats. I think the correct figure is the smaller one, and someone has suddenly managed to miscount the number of rows, as well as having an interesting interpretation of the phrase "brand new"... Whatever, a similar sized stand at the Railway end certainly looks feasible (land purchase permitting, of course) and still leaves plenty of circulation space behind it. So that's another 5045. A new Pop side for 7500 looks like it'd just about fit (and hardly get its toes in the water). I suspect most of any land required for this side would be to facilitate links to improve access to the areas behind the two end stands (rather than for the actual stand itself). But it's difficult to see an extended Main stand holding more than about 3500. So far, I reckon that adds up to just over 21000. If the new Pop and Railway stands are built with cantilever roofs,then the corner between them is an obvious one to fill in if required... maybe another 1500 at most? And if a rebuilt Main stand (or even simply the extensions to it?) were also cantilevered, you could similarly link it to the Railway end. But since the Main stand would inevitably be lower, you could probably only count on maybe another 500 or so in that corner. All of which, amazingly, comes to a potential total of around 23000! The goalpost roof design at the Cheadle end probably means those corners would be effectively unavailable for development. Also, I'd be very surprised if the suggested new stands at the Pop side and Railway end were any steeper than the Cheadle end: there are strict regs about seated and standing areas. But certainly the new Railway end would be steeper: the current one was after all built as a standing terrace. And athough the Popside was reprofiled when it was turned into a seated stand, it was something of a compromise and is is clearly not as steep as the Cheadle end. |
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Post by BWScarf on Aug 25, 2021 23:36:34 GMT
I think you're overestimating things a bit! Depending on who you believe, the Cheadle end has either 5045 or 5180 "brand new" seats. I think the correct figure is the smaller one, and someone has suddenly managed to miscount the number of rows, as well as having an interesting interpretation of the phrase "brand new"... Whatever, a similar sized stand at the Railway end certainly looks feasible (land purchase permitting, of course) and still leaves plenty of circulation space behind it. So that's another 5045. A new Pop side for 7500 looks like it'd just about fit (and hardly get its toes in the water). I suspect most of any land required for this side would be to facilitate links to improve access to the areas behind the two end stands (rather than for the actual stand itself). But it's difficult to see an extended Main stand holding more than about 3500. So far, I reckon that adds up to just over 21000. If the new Pop and Railway stands are built with cantilever roofs,then the corner between them is an obvious one to fill in if required... maybe another 1500 at most? And if a rebuilt Main stand (or even simply the extensions to it?) were also cantilevered, you could similarly link it to the Railway end. But since the Main stand would inevitably be lower, you could probably only count on maybe another 500 or so in that corner. All of which, amazingly, comes to a potential total of around 23000! The goalpost roof design at the Cheadle end probably means those corners would be effectively unavailable for development. Also, I'd be very surprised if the suggested new stands at the Pop side and Railway end were any steeper than the Cheadle end: there are strict regs about seated and standing areas. But certainly the new Railway end would be steeper: the current one was after all built as a standing terrace. And athough the Popside was reprofiled when it was turned into a seated stand, it was something of a compromise and is is clearly not as steep as the Cheadle end. Fair enough on the CE - was only an approximation. I was just referring to what Stott said - that the plans as they are (and they’ll share at some point) are a 22K capacity, and they’ve calculated the possibility of making it 28K under those plans. I’d be amazed if that higher figure ever happens, but that’s what was mentioned. |
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Post by edinburghhatter on Aug 26, 2021 9:00:22 GMT
I'll personally be amazed if EP ever gets beyond 20,000!
I suspect that in negotiations with (e.g.) the Council you'd start with big plans, big numbers and then be prepared to negotiate down a bit, till an acceptable compromise figure is reached. A lot of factors to be taken into consideration... such as access/exit routes, relations with local residents, etc.
Plus, County don't yet own EP anyway, and there's also the crucial fact that they don't own the land behind the Railway end.
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Post by suedehead on Aug 26, 2021 9:07:04 GMT
I'll personally be amazed if EP ever gets beyond 20,000!
I suspect that in negotiations with (e.g.) the Council you'd start with big plans, big numbers and then be prepared to negotiate down a bit, till an acceptable compromise figure is reached. A lot of factors to be taken into consideration... such as access/exit routes, relations with local residents, etc. Plus, County don't yet own EP anyway, and there's also the crucial fact that they don't own the land behind the Railway end. Just to add on the ownership point, I think Stott said at the forum he's hoping for ownership by end of the year, or early next year. Can't quite remember. But he seems very confident it's just a matter of time. |
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 26, 2021 9:08:50 GMT
would not mind the pop side having something like oldhams new stand with their exec boxes at the back. looks a sensible size and smart looking.
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Post by advent on Aug 26, 2021 9:23:49 GMT
would not mind the pop side having something like oldhams new stand with their exec boxes at the back. looks a sensible size and smart looking. Looks good when from the outside when you drive past too |
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Post by edinburghhatter on Aug 26, 2021 13:16:55 GMT
would not mind the pop side having something like oldhams new stand with their exec boxes at the back. looks a sensible size and smart looking. Looks good when from the outside when you drive past too Looks OK, BUT it actually only has a few more seats than our current Pop side, which holds 2400.
(In fact, according to the Football Ground Guide website, "It has a single tier of seating that comprises 2,340 seats.") I must admit it looks as though there are a few more than that, as it has at least a couple more rows than our Pop side...
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Post by stockytwo on Aug 26, 2021 14:05:46 GMT
The side stand at Leeds Rugby League is probably what we could do with. Looks smart, has a double double of exec boxes and has capacity of around 4K  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 14:47:55 GMT
I like the look of the Main stand at Peterborough’s Ground. They’re a similar sized club who also recently purchased back their own ground.  |
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Post by PSP on Aug 26, 2021 16:41:32 GMT
Nice stand but will be bulldozed when they build the new stadium.
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Post by Durango95 on Aug 26, 2021 16:52:14 GMT
Looks good when from the outside when you drive past too Looks OK, BUT it actually only has a few more seats than our current Pop side, which holds 2400.
(In fact, according to the Football Ground Guide website, "It has a single tier of seating that comprises 2,340 seats.") I must admit it looks as though there are a few more than that, as it has at least a couple more rows than our Pop side...
Hell no. We want way bigger and better than that shite. |
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