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Post by advent on Jun 29, 2021 9:51:04 GMT
He cant rename something he doesnt own can he, or can he? You wouldn't think he'd be able to do extensive work to something he doesn't own either, but he has. I think it's just a matter of time before he/Vita/some holding group own EP and I think it's inevitable it'll officially have a sponsored name. Im not sure? If you rent a house you dont own it the landlord does but if you want to redecorate you can do, at cost to yourself of course, but you still dont own the house |
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Post by suedehead on Jun 29, 2021 9:55:47 GMT
You wouldn't think he'd be able to do extensive work to something he doesn't own either, but he has. I think it's just a matter of time before he/Vita/some holding group own EP and I think it's inevitable it'll officially have a sponsored name. Im not sure? If you rent a house you dont own it the landlord does but if you want to redecorate you can do, at cost to yourself of course, but you still dont own the house He's gone way beyond cosmetic redecorating though. New changing rooms, complete refresh under the Main Stand, new concourse, cladding, new seats in the CE, scoreboard, massive investment in the pitch, C&B facilities etc. The rumour was always that he could buy EP if he put his money where his mouth was and improved the place in the mean time. That's a very simplistic way of looking at it but I suspect it's about right. Also certain we'll see a big Vita/Select presence across SK3 in the coming years too. |
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Post by advent on Jun 29, 2021 10:00:09 GMT
Im not sure? If you rent a house you dont own it the landlord does but if you want to redecorate you can do, at cost to yourself of course, but you still dont own the house He's gone way beyond cosmetic redecorating though. New changing rooms, complete refresh under the Main Stand, new concourse, cladding, new seats in the CE, scoreboard, massive investment in the pitch, C&B facilities etc. The rumour was always that he could buy EP if he put his money where his mouth was and improved the place in the mean time. That's a very simplistic way of looking at it but I suspect it's about right. Also certain we'll see a big Vita/Select presence across SK3 in the coming years too. Im not disagreeing at all, its hard to know what any arrangements or plans are with EP and us when he seems to keep his cards close to his chest |
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 29, 2021 10:00:26 GMT
You wouldn't think he'd be able to do extensive work to something he doesn't own either, but he has. I think it's just a matter of time before he/Vita/some holding group own EP and I think it's inevitable it'll officially have a sponsored name. Its absolutely on the cards thats for sure, at least it doesnt sound as bad as the kitkat stadium or mornflake stadium they can officially call it what they want but i doubt any fan will call it anything else but EP. same with programmes. who calls em match magazines. |
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Post by suedehead on Jun 29, 2021 10:03:22 GMT
He's gone way beyond cosmetic redecorating though. New changing rooms, complete refresh under the Main Stand, new concourse, cladding, new seats in the CE, scoreboard, massive investment in the pitch, C&B facilities etc. The rumour was always that he could buy EP if he put his money where his mouth was and improved the place in the mean time. That's a very simplistic way of looking at it but I suspect it's about right. Also certain we'll see a big Vita/Select presence across SK3 in the coming years too. Im not disagreeing at all, its hard to know what any arrangements or plans are with EP and us when he seems to keep his cards close to his chest Yep, agree. For all the good he's done with us over the past 18 months, and of course there have been big errors too, it would be good to see/hear more about some longer term plans, rather than just having stuff announced when it's ready. |
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Post by edinburghhatter on Jun 29, 2021 10:05:53 GMT
Attendances across the board, and particularly away followings, are very different from what they were 20 years ago. Other than maybe 4/5 teams in Division One we rarely had sold out away ends at EP and even big clubs like West Brom, Reading, Norwich failed to bring 1000 for games. I bet next season, even at this level, we’ll have several games where we have sold out away ends, and certainly more than 1000 away fans. although the club would lose out with a full EP with fans unable to get a ticket the atmosphere would be far better than having a ground to accomodate everyone that would apart from the odd game be nowhere near full. EP was certainly not rocking in the bad old days of sub 2,000 fans on a tuesday night. somehow the club has to decide what a realistic average crowd level will be and base any ground improvement on this. there are some like me and anciant who,d be happy with a neat and tidy 12,000 capacity whilst others want a 20,000 EP. a lot of this thinking is possibly where we see County in the future. some may see us as a new bournemouth or brentford but somehow rotherham and doncaster are really closer to my expectations. Which is why a "compromise" capacity of around 15,000 (definitely achievable on the current footprint of EP) seems to me to be a very reasonable solution.
OK, it probably wouldn't be full every game, however high in the pyramid the club ends up playing... but at least it would give room to accommodate occasional much larger crowds, without which there would not be any significant boost to the average attendance. And also allow for development of adequate and well-designed facilities for all fans: such as safe standing areas, definitely much more extensive corporate facilities, and not least, better accommodation for increased numbers of away fans: their money is important to the club too, and should certainly be an area prioritised for development. And years down the line, if 15,000 proves to be rather on the small side, then the club will be facing a problem.... but a rather pleasant one!
None of this need necessarily involve alteration to the capacity or layout of the current Railway end. But the purchase of the land behind that end would (A) make development of the Pop side much easier; (B) make access to both the Pop side and the Railway end much easier; (C) provide at least the potential for a total rebuild/expansion of the Railway end at some time in the not-too-distant future.  |
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Post by Nik on Jun 29, 2021 10:28:26 GMT
I'm not sure that'd happen, at most there'll be some way of wording it to make sure Edgeley Park remains in the name. The Cheadle End is officially the 'Pioneer Group' Cheadle End, so you'd hope for something similar.
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Post by 3330 on Jun 29, 2021 11:41:15 GMT
although the club would lose out with a full EP with fans unable to get a ticket the atmosphere would be far better than having a ground to accomodate everyone that would apart from the odd game be nowhere near full. EP was certainly not rocking in the bad old days of sub 2,000 fans on a tuesday night. somehow the club has to decide what a realistic average crowd level will be and base any ground improvement on this. there are some like me and anciant who,d be happy with a neat and tidy 12,000 capacity whilst others want a 20,000 EP. a lot of this thinking is possibly where we see County in the future. some may see us as a new bournemouth or brentford but somehow rotherham and doncaster are really closer to my expectations. Which is why a "compromise" capacity of around 15,000 (definitely achievable on the current footprint of EP) seems to me to be a very reasonable solution.
OK, it probably wouldn't be full every game, however high in the pyramid the club ends up playing... but at least it would give room to accommodate occasional much larger crowds, without which there would not be any significant boost to the average attendance. And also allow for development of adequate and well-designed facilities for all fans: such as safe standing areas, definitely much more extensive corporate facilities, and not least, better accommodation for increased numbers of away fans: their money is important to the club too, and should certainly be an area prioritised for development. And years down the line, if 15,000 proves to be rather on the small side, then the club will be facing a problem.... but a rather pleasant one!
None of this need necessarily involve alteration to the capacity or layout of the current Railway end. But the purchase of the land behind that end would (A) make development of the Pop side much easier; (B) make access to both the Pop side and the Railway end much easier; (C) provide at least the potential for a total rebuild/expansion of the Railway end at some time in the not-too-distant future. I think we are thinking along the same lines whilst having one eye on the land behind the railway end If it becomes available to the owners i have high hopes they will purchase it (The Pop side ,Barlow Stand, Vernon Stand, whats in a name) has got the potential to upgrade the facilities/capacity whilst maintaining that tight in your face atmosphere The one that upsets most is the Main stand, the club has stated the facade will be kept (Result) but for me apart from the facade the rest of that stand can go, both buildings at either side and that leaking roof There probably is a building solution for upgrading that stand but plenty of old grounds have demolished stands just like it because it was better/cheaper to build new I shall now go get my grandads WW2 Tin hat and hunker down |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jun 29, 2021 12:01:40 GMT
I'm not sure that'd happen, at most there'll be some way of wording it to make sure Edgeley Park remains in the name. The Cheadle End is officially the 'Pioneer Group' Cheadle End, so you'd hope for something similar. The Vita Arena at Edgeley Park - for example |
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Post by Nik on Jun 29, 2021 12:02:44 GMT
I'm not sure that'd happen, at most there'll be some way of wording it to make sure Edgeley Park remains in the name. The Cheadle End is officially the 'Pioneer Group' Cheadle End, so you'd hope for something similar. The Vita Arena at Edgeley Park - for example Yeah that sort of thing. They don't seem the type to remove all reference to it. |
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Post by Imposter on Jun 29, 2021 18:05:39 GMT
I think a 12,000 seat capacity would be fine for what we can expect. When we were in the Championship I think it was rare we got more than 9,000. There is probably little to be gained by stretching the main stand to the length of the pitch and the Railway End is almost always going to be big enough for the away following. But I would love to see the pop side redeveloped as a decent family stand and I would expect the capacity in that stand to be capable of being doubled without too much imagination. The other thing that needs some serious thought is the corporate entertaining at matches. It always seems a bit bizarre to see them all trooping out of the Cheadle end to walk to the main stand. That definitely needs rethinking. Other than that, Edgeley Park is without doubt the best football ground in the World 😜 Attendances across the board, and particularly away followings, are very different from what they were 20 years ago. Other than maybe 4/5 teams in Division One we rarely had sold out away ends at EP and even big clubs like West Brom, Reading, Norwich failed to bring 1000 for games. I bet next season, even at this level, we’ll have several games where we have sold out away ends, and certainly more than 1000 away fans. If we were back in the Championship in August we could expect a good number of games where we’d see 2500-3000 away fans. And don’t forget our home attendances have been rising year on year too, or they were under Jim anyway. We were getting over 5000 (in some cases over 6000) in the NLN. If we get into L1 in 2/3 years, and so have a decent period of success, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think we’d be routinely getting 7500/8000 home fans most weeks. We’re already at a capacity of 10500, increasing that to 12000 doesn’t seem worth the work and looks a bit short sighted and at odds with our plan to be in the Championship. Agreed. Although Reading weren't a big club hack then. They played at Elm Park which was just like Gigg Lane, EP, Boundary Park etc.. in front of crowds of 6 or 7 thousand. But can certainly remember our first season or so up there the likes of Forest coming with fewer than 1000. Just have to remember last time round we started with about 1800 paying home fans in the 4th tier in the 80s and ended up with about 6000-6500 paying home fansb2 divisions higher. This time at our worst ebb we started with about 2800 paying home fans in the 6th tier. If we have anything like the same rate of growth as in the 90s we'll get 5 figure crowds easily. |
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 30, 2021 7:49:38 GMT
Just have to remember last time round we started with about 1800 paying home fans in the 4th tier in the 80s and ended up with about 6000-6500 paying home fansb2 divisions higher. This time at our worst ebb we started with about 2800 paying home fans in the 6th tier. If we have anything like the same rate of growth as in the 90s we'll get 5 figure crowds easily. doubt we will see the same amount of growth we had from the late 80,s to the 90,s. the 80,s were a period where many league clubs got their lowest attendances for a league game. rochdale and hartlepool regularly got 3 figure gates where something like our lowest one v southend was regarded as a good attendance for them. then the premier league was in its infancy without its 21st century hype. never forget whether we like it or not our neighbours are presently champions and runners up. no other club in the country has this to contend with. the majority of fans especially kids have been drawn in to the premier dream seeing international stars week in week out. its like watching a west end show instead of the same show in the provinces with a second tier cast. |
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Post by Nik on Jul 11, 2021 13:10:25 GMT
Not really sure where else to put this, but Trent Alexander-Arnold is at Edgeley Park on this FIFA trailer. Might explain why Foden was there a while back too fb.watch/6GFMdmlU37/ |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 11, 2021 13:13:02 GMT
Not really sure where else to put this, but Trent Alexander-Arnold at Edgeley Park on this FIFA trailer. Might explain why Foden was there a while back too fb.watch/6GFMdmlU37/Mate of mine is a cinematographer and he’s done a lot of stuff at EP recently. Looks like we’re getting good use out of the ground for film shoots. |
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Post by AJL on Jul 12, 2021 12:11:02 GMT
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