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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 16:46:25 GMT
Is it really ? Someone states that a particular politician of a specific party shouldn’t be earning money outside of the HoC and yet it’s pretty standard for many of the MPs across all parties. The reason for the response was that it was Football related in the present time when there is little to comment on. I quite agree with you when there are so many MP's earning a second income from all sides of the political spectrum.
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Post by badgersc on May 26, 2020 17:01:31 GMT
I can only speak for myself, but if it was Milne I’d be saying he needs to go as well. (Edit: response to badger not stranded, pressed quote in the wrong place) Not for me, I'm in a vulnerable group, so are a few people dear to me, I couldn't give a pass to someone gallivanting round without a care who they infect just because of the colour of their rosette, let alone go online and defend their arrogance. Actually I think I'd have been more appalled. They get the NHS, they understand self-sacrifice for the good of the public health, and they took this virus seriously from the start. Would feel even more let down. Desmond, whataboutery would be bringing in something entirely unrelated to score political points, something like yes but what about when Alistair Campbell told lies regarding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. None on this thread IMHO. No problem accepting that many would also call for a Milne resignation in similar circumstances. Some tories have also called for resignation of Cummings (*). But that aside, the ferocity of the language would be very different. This is after all the tory bogeyman and hate figure and its naive to think that at least some of the current discourse is motivated by party political considerations. (*) I found it interesting that Steve Baker stuck the knife in pretty quickly. Given they're both arch brexiteers I suspect was personal.
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Post by hedleyverity on May 26, 2020 19:09:21 GMT
Just when it seemed all the shocks were done comes the biggest of the lot- William Wragg has found his spine
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Post by Imposter on May 26, 2020 19:11:52 GMT
Just when it seemed all the shocks were done comes the biggest of the lot- William Wragg has found his spine Big shock indeed. He takes the piss does Willy Wragg.
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Post by vicar on May 26, 2020 19:26:13 GMT
Just when it seemed all the shocks were done comes the biggest of the lot- William Wragg has found his spine That would be a shock, what's he said?
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Post by hedleyverity on May 26, 2020 19:33:18 GMT
He wants Cummings to go
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Post by Nik on May 26, 2020 19:34:11 GMT
Just when it seemed all the shocks were done comes the biggest of the lot- William Wragg has found his spine That would be a shock, what's he said? Not a bad effort for him
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Post by Nik on May 26, 2020 19:35:40 GMT
He didn't quite go that far unless he's commented elsewhere too.
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Post by hedleyverity on May 26, 2020 19:42:22 GMT
I take it all back, the BBC had him 'joining' the MPs calling for Cummings to go but he's given himself some wiggle room in case Cummings comes round and gives him a double Chinese burn.
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Post by Nik on May 26, 2020 19:55:24 GMT
I take it all back, the BBC had him 'joining' the MPs calling for Cummings to go but he's given himself some wiggle room in case Cummings comes round and gives him a double Chinese burn. That's still a lot further than I've seen him go before considering he's usually one who very much falls in line. Not to give him any credit, mind you. He's covered himself there.
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Post by rj on May 26, 2020 23:11:43 GMT
Forget who the author is, this is right. I’ve heard it called the footballification of politics. Just blind support. My teams better than yours what ever they do.
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Post by someoneelse on May 27, 2020 4:50:51 GMT
Anyone who thinks government corruption is a fairy story needs to do some digging about on historic child prostitution. Absolutely sickening and the royals are clearly implicated too.
These people in power are being given an inch at the moment. When they take a mile it'll be too late.
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Post by Mozzer on May 27, 2020 5:46:37 GMT
Forget who the author is, this is right. I’ve heard it called the footballification of politics. Just blind support. My teams better than yours what ever they do. Ironically, that is actually a symptom of the problem: the simplification of complex issues to avoid a proper discussion. It also gets to blame football for a perceived social ill. Very much a double win.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 5:54:47 GMT
I’ve heard it called the footballification of politics. Just blind support. My teams better than yours what ever they do. Ironically, that is actually a symptom of the problem: the simplification of complex issues to avoid a proper discussion. It also gets to blame football for a perceived social ill. Very much a double win. Isn’t it people’s inability to have a proper discussion about complex issues that leads to the simplification?
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Post by Mozzer on May 27, 2020 6:03:24 GMT
Ironically, that is actually a symptom of the problem: the simplification of complex issues to avoid a proper discussion. It also gets to blame football for a perceived social ill. Very much a double win. Isn’t it people’s inability to have a proper discussion about complex issues that leads to the simplification? I think there may be truth in that as well, yes. But we have had an oversimplification of things, the likes of which Cummings, in his pre-lockdown guise, have been orchestrating. It's not unique to this era, so I don't think we necessarily need to consider ourselves thicker than previous generations. But narratives are manipulated to ensure we talk in headlines rather than nuance. It's a reasonable way to ensure the discussion becomes basic. It's not a left/right thing either - I'm not trying to score any points here. I wish both/all perspectives were better at delivering messages and policies that acknowledged there are rarely simple answers.
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