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Post by hedleyverity on Jun 25, 2020 21:53:59 GMT
Did any Tories vote for it?
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Post by Fez on Jun 25, 2020 22:13:37 GMT
I don’t think it’s so much living rough ‘by choice’ as unable to live in a ‘normal’ environment due to some combination of mental illness / addiction / alcoholism. True in some or many cases, I'm sure; but there are plenty of people just a couple of paychecks away from homelessness or living in their car, who do not have those issues. |
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Post by canterbury on Jun 25, 2020 22:16:10 GMT
Did any Tories vote for it? No.
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 26, 2020 10:00:48 GMT
I don’t think it’s so much living rough ‘by choice’ as unable to live in a ‘normal’ environment due to some combination of mental illness / addiction / alcoholism. True in some or many cases, I'm sure; but there are plenty of people just a couple of paychecks away from homelessness or living in their car, who do not have those issues. you are both correct in some ways. there is also many wives and partners who have to quickly get hold of some money to make ends meet once the pay checks come through. if they didn,t then it would be drunk or more likely gambled away. i am not one for controls and banning stuff but the gambling and gaming industry is something this government needs to have a hard look at to make it far less accecable than it currently is. |
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Post by HTC on Jun 26, 2020 10:10:53 GMT
I don’t think it’s so much living rough ‘by choice’ as unable to live in a ‘normal’ environment due to some combination of mental illness / addiction / alcoholism. True in some or many cases, I'm sure; but there are plenty of people just a couple of paychecks away from homelessness or living in their car, who do not have those issues. As I understand it, many of the people you refer to are more likely to become ‘hidden homeless‘, spending time staying on a friend’s settee for a few days/ couch surfing etc. rather than sleeping rough. This is particularly the case with homeless women (often fleeing domestic violence) who tend to have better support networks than the stereotypical homeless man on the street. It’s the area where the lack of affordable housing becomes a massive problem. what I don’t know is the relative numbers of people suffering in this way compared to rough sleeping. |
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Post by vicar on Jun 26, 2020 12:50:26 GMT
I managed a homeless hostel for 2 years, mental health was by far the biggest cause.
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Post by vicar on Jun 27, 2020 8:44:24 GMT
Just had a rare visit to Marion's and got into a discussion about freedom of movement, some people still think it only applies to people coming to the UK but things will carry on just as they are for us living and working where we want, people just don't see what they've given away.
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 27, 2020 9:25:31 GMT
I managed a homeless hostel for 2 years, mental health was by far the biggest cause. mental health can cover a lot of things though. what was the cause of the mental health problems as its something you do not catch like a cold. |
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Post by vicar on Jun 27, 2020 9:35:55 GMT
I managed a homeless hostel for 2 years, mental health was by far the biggest cause. mental health can cover a lot of things though. what was the cause of the mental health problems as its something you do not catch like a cold. Where do you start? Rape, Childhood abuse, Alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling, PTSD, some just couldn't keep up at school and continued to fall further behind and ended up with depression, others couldn't handle relationships breaking down, I could go on all day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 10:07:01 GMT
Just had a rare visit to Marion's and got into a discussion about freedom of movement, some people still think it only applies to people coming to the UK but things will carry on just as they are for us living and working where we want, people just don't see what they've given away. Typical 60+ Tory voter mentality, 'I'm all right, Jack', without having the facts to back up their blinkered views. |
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Post by Nik on Jun 27, 2020 10:14:08 GMT
Just had a rare visit to Marion's and got into a discussion about freedom of movement, some people still think it only applies to people coming to the UK but things will carry on just as they are for us living and working where we want, people just don't see what they've given away. Typical 60+ Tory voter mentality, 'I'm all right, Jack', without having the facts to back up their blinkered views. "Freedom of movement does still exist for us because I've decided to go off my own definition" |
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Post by desmond on Jun 27, 2020 10:34:42 GMT
Just had a rare visit to Marion's and got into a discussion about freedom of movement, some people still think it only applies to people coming to the UK but things will carry on just as they are for us living and working where we want, people just don't see what they've given away. Not sure that’s a fair representation of the discussion, think there was just one person who suggested (and quite possibly a flippant one) that if people didn’t like it in the U.K. they could “get a one way ticket to Europe”. It does seem that there is an attempt on here to ridicule the other board at every opportunity. |
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Post by bigmartin on Jun 27, 2020 11:55:29 GMT
Just had a rare visit to Marion's and got into a discussion about freedom of movement, some people still think it only applies to people coming to the UK but things will carry on just as they are for us living and working where we want, people just don't see what they've given away. Not sure that’s a fair representation of the discussion, think there was just one person who suggested (and quite possibly a flippant one) that if people didn’t like it in the U.K. they could “get a one way ticket to Europe”. It does seem that there is an attempt on here to ridicule the other board at every opportunity. Who's ridiculed the other board? Bit touchy if I may say. |
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Post by vicar on Jun 27, 2020 12:55:40 GMT
Just had a rare visit to Marion's and got into a discussion about freedom of movement, some people still think it only applies to people coming to the UK but things will carry on just as they are for us living and working where we want, people just don't see what they've given away. Not sure that’s a fair representation of the discussion, think there was just one person who suggested (and quite possibly a flippant one) that if people didn’t like it in the U.K. they could “get a one way ticket to Europe”. It does seem that there is an attempt on here to ridicule the other board at every opportunity. |
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Post by vicar on Jun 27, 2020 13:01:21 GMT
I'm struggling to write this on my mobile on the beach so excuse any typos, I'd never ridicule the other board as I've got friends on there who I wish would come over here but there's still some of the opinion that we'll still have our cake after we've scoffed it.
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