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Post by redhatter on Oct 25, 2020 9:21:06 GMT
Another Tory MP whose claims their comments were 'taken out of context' despite them being taken completely in context, adding to the bloke from Mansfield who claimed the FSM vouchers from the summer went straight to crack dens and brothels, and the other one who doubled down on that by claiming drug dealers have been taking these food packages as payment, which is fucming hilarious as a concept. you have got to understand that a lot of hardline tory voters and activists actually love these stories. when people call em scum and stuff like that it does not help. the labour party have never for years have a better chance of regaining power if they appear to have answers to the tory party and avoid going too right wing like blair or veer too far left. after this virus and the rest the country i feel will want a change.
Timberwolf, I think the Tories have walked straight into a massive political trap this week. Providing free school meals during the school holidays shouldn't have been an issue for the government, the cost is peanuts relatively.
Labour put forward a proposal that wouldn't even have been binding, as only the government can put legislation to the house. Their objective was to make the government U turn and look a little bit out of touch/ By allowing Labour's proposal to pass, very little damage would have been done to the government.
However, the government walked straight into the trap. By voting down Labour's proposal, they send a strong message to all the former Labour voters, who (stupidly) backed the Tories over Brexit, particularly across the red wall constituencies in the North West, that the government doesn't care about them or their children. These red wall constituencies, account for 48 seats include areas with relatively high levels of poverty like Burnley, Mansfield, Dewsbury, Keighley, Heywood and Middleton, etc.
It's very symbolic and will help Labour regain pretty much all their former seats, which are on slim Tory majorities. That was the sole intention of Labour's strategy and the Tories played straight into their hands. Not only that, clowns like Ben Bradley, MP for Mansfield tweeted that they may as well have paid the Free School Meal £20 vouchers straight into crack dens and brothels.
Can it be made any clearer to working class people, that the Tories absolutely despise them??? Stop voting Tory for gods sake!!!
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Post by vicar on Oct 25, 2020 10:41:12 GMT
you have got to understand that a lot of hardline tory voters and activists actually love these stories. when people call em scum and stuff like that it does not help. the labour party have never for years have a better chance of regaining power if they appear to have answers to the tory party and avoid going too right wing like blair or veer too far left. after this virus and the rest the country i feel will want a change.
Timberwolf, I think the Tories have walked straight into a massive political trap this week. Providing free school meals during the school holidays shouldn't have been an issue for the government, the cost is peanuts relatively.
Labour put forward a proposal that wouldn't even have been binding, as only the government can put legislation to the house. Their objective was to make the government U turn and look a little bit out of touch/ By allowing Labour's proposal to pass, very little damage would have been done to the government.
However, the government walked straight into the trap. By voting down Labour's proposal, they send a strong message to all the former Labour voters, who (stupidly) backed the Tories over Brexit, particularly across the red wall constituencies in the North West, that the government doesn't care about them or their children. These red wall constituencies, account for 48 seats include areas with relatively high levels of poverty like Burnley, Mansfield, Dewsbury, Keighley, Heywood and Middleton, etc.
It's very symbolic and will help Labour regain pretty much all their former seats, which are on slim Tory majorities. That was the sole intention of Labour's strategy and the Tories played straight into their hands. Not only that, clowns like Ben Bradley, MP for Mansfield tweeted that they may as well have paid the Free School Meal £20 vouchers straight into crack dens and brothels.
Can it be made any clearer to working class people, that the Tories absolutely despise them??? Stop voting Tory for gods sake!!!
This is pretty much an ERG government and only really needed their vote temporarily anyway, it was about one issue.
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Post by bigmartin on Oct 25, 2020 12:04:30 GMT
Timberwolf, I think the Tories have walked straight into a massive political trap this week. Providing free school meals during the school holidays shouldn't have been an issue for the government, the cost is peanuts relatively.
Labour put forward a proposal that wouldn't even have been binding, as only the government can put legislation to the house. Their objective was to make the government U turn and look a little bit out of touch/ By allowing Labour's proposal to pass, very little damage would have been done to the government.
However, the government walked straight into the trap. By voting down Labour's proposal, they send a strong message to all the former Labour voters, who (stupidly) backed the Tories over Brexit, particularly across the red wall constituencies in the North West, that the government doesn't care about them or their children. These red wall constituencies, account for 48 seats include areas with relatively high levels of poverty like Burnley, Mansfield, Dewsbury, Keighley, Heywood and Middleton, etc.
It's very symbolic and will help Labour regain pretty much all their former seats, which are on slim Tory majorities. That was the sole intention of Labour's strategy and the Tories played straight into their hands. Not only that, clowns like Ben Bradley, MP for Mansfield tweeted that they may as well have paid the Free School Meal £20 vouchers straight into crack dens and brothels.
Can it be made any clearer to working class people, that the Tories absolutely despise them??? Stop voting Tory for gods sake!!!
This is pretty much an ERG government and only really needed their vote temporarily anyway, it was about one issue. My one hope is that people finally come to realise that their vote has consequences.
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Post by canterbury on Oct 25, 2020 12:39:57 GMT
Good to hear about Guy Mowbray getting slapped down on a social medium for saying "even if you don't agree with his causes" about Marcus Rashford MBE.
I could not imagine feeding hungry children being seen as controversial in this country ten years ago, so this isn't having a cheap pop at the Tory party as they were also leading it then, we've just lost the plot over the last few years.
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Post by AllyF on Oct 25, 2020 13:59:33 GMT
Another Tory MP whose claims their comments were 'taken out of context' despite them being taken completely in context, adding to the bloke from Mansfield who claimed the FSM vouchers from the summer went straight to crack dens and brothels, and the other one who doubled down on that by claiming drug dealers have been taking these food packages as payment, which is fucming hilarious as a concept. you have got to understand that a lot of hardline tory voters and activists actually love these stories. when people call em scum and stuff like that it does not help. the labour party have never for years have a better chance of regaining power if they appear to have answers to the tory party and avoid going too right wing like blair or veer too far left. after this virus and the rest the country i feel will want a change. Whether you like what he did towards the end of his tenure or not, I am certain a 1997 Blair type would virtually certainly beat this present government at the next election. As one example really don't see how Clarkson in Middleton would defend his 663 majority at the next election given his behaviour in the last week or so. The same applies to a lot of the others who won traditional red wall seats last year. Think Boris will be long gone by the time of the 2024 election though.
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Oct 25, 2020 15:15:01 GMT
I met Blair on a few occasions and he was exactly like he was on the box. He wasn't Labour Leader when I first met him (John Smith was) but he had the uncanny ability to remember names. He would also seek the opinions of people that he knew disagreed with him. That way you find your weaknesses and alternatives he was and is a smart cookie.
I can't imagine Johnson seeking the views of anyone who doesn't see him as he sees himself. King of Britain unanswerable to anyone but himself. He is there to represent a section of society and that's it. Sling a few crumbs to the richer peasants when it gets a bit sticky but continue safe in the knowledge that those whose interests he truly represents wont be picking up the tab once things get back to normal.
The media are keeping him in power and that will continue until it becomes better for them to change horses.
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Post by Ngard on Oct 25, 2020 15:52:31 GMT
Calling a 16 year old writing to you for voting against providing food to vulnerable children a virtue signaller to own the libs.
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Post by mattyovrio on Oct 25, 2020 17:07:30 GMT
How sad is that! We need some proper power devolving out of London. We are too dominated by the a South East, which is why they get all the infrastructure spend and we don’t.
Big Martin has it right - about time voters realised that who they vote for has consequences. If people vote Tory again, they need to own increased child poverty, increased child hunger and all the other nasty stuff that goes with that bote.
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Post by Ngard on Oct 25, 2020 17:19:10 GMT
Jesus christ they can't help themselves can they? Rashford was 11 years old when the Tories took over!
It's like they're falling over themselves to win the 'c*** of the week' badge off each other.
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Post by canterbury on Oct 25, 2020 18:26:47 GMT
I don't really see that MP's point. Once you take power, it becomes your responsibility to fix whatever problems you inherit.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Oct 25, 2020 18:39:41 GMT
Calling a 16 year old writing to you for voting against providing food to vulnerable children a virtue signaller to own the libs. #ToryScum #SorryNotSorry
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Oct 25, 2020 19:41:41 GMT
It looks like there is a concerted effort from Tory Central to disconnect Child Poverty from The Tory Party and lumber it all on the shoulder of the Labour Party who have seen 13 years in power over the past 41 years. The levels of Child Poverty are greater now than 10 years ago - the Governments own statistics back this up - but they are missing the point. It's not about wantsbooutism at its finest. It is about kids going hungry.
Austerity has hit the hardest at the bottom end of society because that's what the Tories do. They could have recovered far more for the financial coffers by ensuring big businesses pay what is due but their political contributions ensured that they didn't and anyhow the Bedroom Tax was a better alternative. It would help the snobs feel better about their lot knowing that there are people worse off than them.
It's about the here and now but also the future. They're making a big stink about the £63m as if to say look at this poor people it's more than you can imagine. Not really when you hand out £25m to your own rather affluent constituencies it shows how cock eyed your thinking is.
A weeks a long time in Politics and they've had a bad one. Long may they continue.
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Post by Fez on Oct 25, 2020 19:55:14 GMT
Calling a 16 year old writing to you for voting against providing food to vulnerable children a virtue signaller to own the libs. Christ on a bike. Is that real? This is a leaf straight out of the book of the American hard right, which this government increasingly seems to be seeking to ape: demonize their opponents with reductionist labels like "virtue signaller" (although this idiot can't even get that tactic right because I doubt he'll get much traction with that when it comes to feeding hungry children). And accuse of "intolerance" those who merely question their rhetoric or offer an opposing opinion; accuse of "intolerance" those who actually call out and oppose real intolerance (white supremacy and neo-fascism for starters). He needs to read Karl Popper on this subject, the paradox of tolerance: "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance..." Accusations of a "state power grab" are also typical language of these types, when it is merely governmental responsibility to the people to whom they are answerable and who fill the Treasury's coffers. "Old-fashioned view" indeed. Victorian. He'll be shoving children up chimneys next.
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Post by Fez on Oct 25, 2020 19:57:32 GMT
I don't really see that MP's point. Once you take power, it becomes your responsibility to fix whatever problems you inherit. Indeed. It's what their manifestos always promise to do, isn't it?
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Oct 25, 2020 20:46:16 GMT
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