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Post by Jack on Jul 26, 2020 21:45:43 GMT
It’s good to see the government taking some decisive actions for once and implementing something quickly.
But what did people seriously think was going to happen the second loads of people started travelling all over the place on holiday again?
European cases as a whole on the rise again now on the curve.
The acceleration of this mess was February half term holidays to Northern Italy and France for Ski trips, now we are making the same mistake by going on summer holidays.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 26, 2020 21:56:24 GMT
Spanish deaths over the past two weeks: 29 Germany: 53 France: 172 UK: 919
Spain, France, Germany etc aren't the problem, despite a general upward curve. I saw something earlier that said the new quarantine is another scheme dreamt up by Cummings to further take the heat off the government and put the blame on Johnny Foreigner again. I wouldn't put anything past them.
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Post by Jack on Jul 26, 2020 22:04:49 GMT
Are deaths really relevant now? It’s a dreadful thing to say but the people dying haven’t caught Covid over the last few days.
Spain has seen over 1000 daily cases for the last few days, France are also seeing an uptick in cases.
I’m not necessarily blaming Johnny Foriegner, we should have never allowed our people to travel in the first place. I don’t know why the Spanish are so keen to have us there (I know why, money). According to the Telegraph, 1.5 million British holidaymakers will be affected. That’s like over 1% of our country, one of the worst hit in the world, getting on a plane and going to Spain.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 26, 2020 22:33:21 GMT
Are deaths really relevant now? It’s a dreadful thing to say but the people dying haven’t caught Covid over the last few days. Spain has seen over 1000 daily cases for the last few days, France are also seeing an uptick in cases. I’m not necessarily blaming Johnny Foriegner, we should have never allowed our people to travel in the first place. I don’t know why the Spanish are so keen to have us there (I know why, money). According to the Telegraph, 1.5 million British holidaymakers will be affected. That’s like over 1% of our country, one of the worst hit in the world, getting on a plane and going to Spain. It was more to highlight my later point that I think it’s just another distraction tactic to get people talking about anything other than 1000 people dying every fortnight because of the shitshow response to Covid. The Spanish want us there because their livelihoods depend on it. Without us, and to a lesser extent other Northern Europe tourists from Germany, Netherlands and Scandinavia, the hotels, restaurants, bars and clubs will be empty. They need us. Getting the balancing act right of allowing travel/opening the economy against keeping cases low is obviously very difficult but our dumb little country has managed to be the laughing stock of Europe yet again, at least they would be laughing if we weren’t talking about tens of thousands of people dying. The rest of Europe must watch us from a distance and be utterly bewildered by what we come up with year after year.
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Post by CB1883 on Jul 26, 2020 22:37:39 GMT
Why are people rushing to go away? What’s the appeal?
I’ll not be going anywhere for the foreseeable and I appreciate others will have a different opinion but I’d be interested to understand why.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 26, 2020 23:00:21 GMT
Why are people rushing to go away? What’s the appeal? I’ll not be going anywhere for the foreseeable and I appreciate others will have a different opinion but I’d be interested to understand why. We booked end of last year to go Majorca in September. Got a big villa on our own, own pool and garden. First holiday as a family of four (had a son in February). I still want to go, I really do. We’ve had a shite 12 months. My mum died in November, then we were in hospital for too long with the baby and then lockdown. My wife’s parents didn’t meet their grandson until he was nearly four months old. We’ve had a newborn and a toddler with zero support for four months. Not a single person to watch them for an hour while we can nip out. We stayed at her parents this weekend and last night was th first time my wife and I had left the house without one of the kids with us since early February. Almost six months. Plenty of people have suffered much more than us throughout the pandemic but it has been a very tough few months. And being honest, it’s not what we signed up for when we decided to have kids. That makes us sound like we don’t want to care for them but with our first, we were out every day with her and made a big point of getting her mixing with other kids and our friends from day one. With the littlest, he didn’t see anyone other than maybe two or three of our friends pre-lockdown when he was a week old until he was four months old. Zero interaction with any other human, aside from me, Mrs suedehead and his sister. That’s not what having kids is about. Anyway, I’m rambling. Had a shite year and if I can lie by a pool in a private villa for ten days and not have to worry about anything besides what I’m having for tea, I shall be doing that.
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Post by malc on Jul 26, 2020 23:28:12 GMT
The province where I live is Almería. It is roughly the size of Cheshire, Lancashire and Yorkshire combined. Admittedly, the population density is nowhere near what it is in those 3 Counties
But we've had 2 deaths in the last 7 days. Britain's count is nearly a 1,000 during the past 7 days?
It's another con trick being pulled by Cummings and Doris.
The stock photo of the crowded beach being shown by the beeb is years old. You're being lied too. Again.
Yes, there is a spike here, But it's localised to rural areas and linked to the number of South American fruit pickers here right now. And those towns/villages are being quickly isolated. Nightclubs have proved a problem too. They've now all been closed again. In short, Spain is completely on top of this and the quarantining of Brits returning from there hols is here is completely unnecessary.
It's a stunt to try to prove how on top of this they are. Typical f*cking Tories. Blame every c*** else. It's always Johnny Foreigners fault.
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Post by HTC on Jul 27, 2020 7:23:36 GMT
So if I have this straight...
For the past few months, the government has been negligent, and killed thousands of people due to their evil Tory ways / putting the economy above health.
Now, when they have acted swiftly, they’re evil Tories for putting protecting health above protecting the economy of a different country.
As Jack has said above, it’s to do with a spike in cases, not deaths - it’s similar reasoning that caused the local lockdown in Leicester / special measures in Luton etc.
I’d also note that Norway has done the same as us, and Germany are also considering some stricter rules on visits to Spain. We’ve also opened up another 15 or so countries for travel in the last few days - it’s not a blanket ban on holidays, and we aren’t the only ones doing this. Absolutely no help with anyone with a holiday booked, but travel this summer is always going to be massively subject to change.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 27, 2020 7:28:18 GMT
So if I have this straight... For the past few months, the government has been negligent, and killed thousands of people due to their evil Tory ways / putting the economy above health. Now, when they have acted swiftly, they’re evil Tories for putting protecting health above protecting the economy of a different country. As Jack has said above, it’s to do with a spike in cases, not deaths - it’s similar reasoning that caused the local lockdown in Leicester / special measures in Luton etc. I’d also note that Norway has done the same as us, and Germany are also considering some stricter rules on visits to Spain. We’ve also opened up another 15 or so countries for travel in the last few days - it’s not a blanket ban on holidays, and we aren’t the only ones doing this. Absolutely no help with anyone with a holiday booked, but travel this summer is always going to be massively subject to change. I don’t see it as protecting health though. I honestly think it’s just another con/distraction method to keep the focus away from our appalling death rate and shambolic handling of the whole situation. This keeps the light off the government, and will even get some positive reaction from the press, and shifts the blame back on to bloody foreigners. Coming over here, with their better handling of the virus and lower death rates.
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Post by HTC on Jul 27, 2020 8:00:58 GMT
But why?
The only people who’d really care are those with holidays booked, most of whom will understandably pissed off.
I’m not quite seeing why saying you can’t go to Spain/ Portugal / Sweden (where infection rates are relatively high), but can still visit Greece, Italy, Jamaica, Estonia (where they are not) etc. amounts to blaming Johnny Foreigner.
I’ve some sympathy with Malc’s point above, in that a lot of Spanish cases seem linked to migrant workers (much like the recent U.K. spikes in Leicester / Herefordshire), but the spikes in tourist destinations like Barcelona also need to be factored in.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 27, 2020 8:32:20 GMT
Everyone has their own risk appetite. I think getting on a plane under current circumstances is, if not bonkers, certainly above my risk appetite! I don’t feel at ease unerring or on the bus, let alone spending several hours on a plane with zero ventilation and recycled air. Each to their own though.
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Post by The Real Exile on Jul 27, 2020 8:35:50 GMT
Agreed, it will be a long time before I feel comfortable on any public transport yet alone an enclosed flying tin can sharing stale air.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 27, 2020 8:54:20 GMT
Agreed, it will be a long time before I feel comfortable on any public transport yet alone an enclosed flying tin can sharing stale air. the government has tried to put us all off using buses, trains and trams. think they have actually encouraged the use of planes. its about the economy or part of it anyway the leisure and tourism industry. do not think a lot out there realize that your local bus services are in big danger. do not know if its going to be a national meeting or a local one but stagecoach are having one in the midlands about their future. garage closures, more and more service cuts with long distance ones being cancelled for the forseable future. remember its not that long ago we were being encouraged to use public transport but the whole future of part of it may be lost with no guarentee of it returning. which is really a priority for our future. a bus company going tits up or another holiday company or airline.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 27, 2020 9:01:31 GMT
But what did people seriously think was going to happen the second loads of people started travelling all over the place on holiday again? European cases as a whole on the rise again now on the curve. The acceleration of this mess was February half term holidays to Northern Italy and France for Ski trips, now we are making the same mistake by going on summer holidays. so true. its not just a one way system of brits going abroad its for non brits coming here. a holiday abroad is the highlight of the year for many people and have been encouraged to take em up. again its been a pick and mix approach by a vast number who take heed on advice if it suits them and the same with the government.
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Post by vicar on Jul 27, 2020 9:23:02 GMT
I've just spent almost a year in Spain and I've come back to Blighty inbetween quarantines, my plan is to sell my car and complete a few little jobs around the house before renting it out, my plan is to go back in September but now I've no idea if that's going to happen. One thing I do know is I feel it's taken much more seriously over there, it just seems to be life as normal here, we went to the pub on Friday and sat outside but it was packed inside, there are too many examples of carefree behaviour to list.
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