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Post by desmond on Jul 30, 2020 22:37:37 GMT
The 18-25 thing is being misconstrued on this thread, by the OP mainly, as being as a result of 18-25s doing something wrong. They haven’t; it’s just that 18-25s tend to be asymptomatic. If you don’t know you’ve got the virus, you won’t know to isolate, and you don’t know if you’ve passed it on. There are bellends in every age group unable to act carefully. It’s not on singling one group out over another. And before somebody says, sadly, I’m not in the age bracket any more. I don’t think I’ve misconstrued anything, the council have clearly said that the age group mentioned are being targeted to respect “Covid safe social socialising”. The clear inference being that they aren’t currently doing that. And of course there are others in other age groups doing the same but the increase in the 18-25 group is significant.
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Post by leicesterhatter on Jul 30, 2020 22:38:15 GMT
Trafford has seen a similar spike to Stockport, but more marked. It has been attributed to a big jump in young people being tested (and testing positive). I've seen it reported that a lot of those testing positive are from Altrincham/Hale so something of an anomaly against the other increase areas. How? How? I'm not sure what I'm responding to but I'll give it a go. The point I was making was that one of the more affluent areas in Greater Manchester is showing signs of a sharp rise in cases, so it not just those from economically deprived areas who are 'to blame', or those from certain groups. The trend in young people is there in the stats (and in Trafford it is the grips up to 40 that have seen the rise). The cause, however, is not.
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Jul 30, 2020 23:12:31 GMT
No meetings of more than 1 household banned from midnight tonight in all of Greater Manchester due to increase in cases. Well done all of those in the 18-25 age group who have driven this in Stockport. A lot of people (me included) thought that we were coming out of lockdown too quickly. For a while, when the virus was at its peak, the message was clear(ish) but once the daily deaths started to decline the messages became garbled. Virtually every element of the easing of lockdown has led to confusion and this has not been helped by your Government deciding that "following the science" is only appropriate when it says what they want it to say. Ordinary bods like myself look to people with no vested interests and a particular knowledge of the subject to say what is needed to be done and whilst Cummings attended SAGE meetings to "keep them in line" I like to think the medial opinion was untainted by political interference. I appreciate that financial implications came into play and the furlough scheme couldn't last forever but can you honestly say hand on heart that it has been handled well.
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Jul 30, 2020 23:14:10 GMT
Is there an actual definition or map of where this covers, some of us would argue that we are not mancunian! Especially our Dosser. Would it include Stalyvegas for instance? I live in Saddleworth, we're not escaping this either way, some still reckon we're in West Yorkshire, some us know we're in Lancashire, some play it safe and say we're in Greater Manchester! 😂
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Post by Imposter on Jul 30, 2020 23:31:49 GMT
So we're extrapolating that a lockdown restriction affecting the whole of Greater Manchester, large parts of South and East Lancashire, and half of West Yorkshire is solely down to people in the 18-25 age bracket not social distancing?
Despite the fact it is only Stockport that has mentioned a rise in cases in this age group.
Despite other areas having faster rises in cases.
Despite Stockport still having amongst the lower cases in the affected area.
That's one big leap to take.
Maybe the "back to normal, everyone to work, things can open up now" policy is adversely affecting this precise age group, who are more likely to work in lower-rated jobs and in sectors, such as retail, hospitality, etc.... where people can't work from home/away from a busy workplace. And are also likely to earn much lower wages and are therefore less able to withstand falls in rates of furlough pay.
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Post by AllyF on Jul 30, 2020 23:37:21 GMT
The younger generation have been taking the mick for months but would say it starts at say 14 than 18. So many groups of teenagers gathering in groups on bikes with no helmets/lights/bright clothing. It's only a matter of time before one of them gets knocked off and badly injured.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 0:19:37 GMT
No meetings of more than 1 household banned from midnight tonight in all of Greater Manchester due to increase in cases. Well done all of those in the 18-25 age group who have driven this in Stockport. Well done for being a big reason as to why we left the EU, if you want to play that game, Desmond. 🤡
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Post by desmond on Jul 31, 2020 0:27:41 GMT
No meetings of more than 1 household banned from midnight tonight in all of Greater Manchester due to increase in cases. Well done all of those in the 18-25 age group who have driven this in Stockport. Well done for being a big reason as to why we left the EU, if you want to play that game, Desmond. 🤡 Who said how or if I voted ? And I was directly quoting what the local authority were saying about the latest situation, it wasn’t just my take on things.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 31, 2020 0:31:25 GMT
I started a job in a bar where I live this week (since my industry is still closed and will be for the foreseeable). It’s not just 18-25 year olds who seem to not be able to grasp social distancing. There are plenty of examples of all age groups. I accept this is anecdotal and hardly a deep intellectual study but it seems to me that some people are still taking things seriously, and others are not; regardless of age.
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Post by vicar on Jul 31, 2020 6:35:11 GMT
How? I'm not sure what I'm responding to but I'll give it a go. The point I was making was that one of the more affluent areas in Greater Manchester is showing signs of a sharp rise in cases, so it not just those from economically deprived areas who are 'to blame', or those from certain groups. The trend in young people is there in the stats (and in Trafford it is the grips up to 40 that have seen the rise). The cause, however, is not. I was asking how it was different as the main point in the thread is the age group and not the ethnicity or economic status, Trafford also has young people, our own town has more affluent areas than deprived areas but it doesn't make us immune. There was a pattern forming and it was looking like towns with large Asian populations, but this has changed that.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2020 8:36:31 GMT
I started a job in a bar where I live this week (since my industry is still closed and will be for the foreseeable). It’s not just 18-25 year olds who seem to not be able to grasp social distancing. There are plenty of examples of all age groups. I accept this is anecdotal and hardly a deep intellectual study but it seems to me that some people are still taking things seriously, and others are not; regardless of age. your own experiance may be more relevant than those who just sit and make up the statistics. mind you someone has to get the blame for everything nowadays so give it 18 to 25,s this time. us old gits have had ours to put up with in the past.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2020 8:43:27 GMT
I live in Saddleworth, we're not escaping this either way, some still reckon we're in West Yorkshire, some us know we're in Lancashire, some play it safe and say we're in Greater Manchester! 😂 dosser will tell you its still West Yorkshire. say you still class yourself as a yorkie so what has a place like saddleworth got to do with dewsbury say in kirklees. same with denshaw if there was a problem in stockport. these areas are so large and the problems are more local.
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Post by heatonhatter on Jul 31, 2020 8:51:04 GMT
Does anyone know where you can get local testing data?
This all seems to be based off the number of positive tests, rather than the %age of tests returning a positive result.
For all we know, people are just getting tested more. I don't have any confidence in PHE or any layer of government to interpret the data correctly.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 31, 2020 8:56:28 GMT
Regardless of what is behind this move, and I really don’t think it’s as simple as saying it’s young ‘uns or Asians as I’ve seen on Twitter 🙄, to announce quite sweeping moves two hours before they come into force is rough. Particularly on the eve of a major religious festival that families will have been planning for weeks.
Is it any different from telling people on Christmas Eve that you can’t meet up for dinner on Christmas Day?
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Post by HTC on Jul 31, 2020 9:13:29 GMT
It’s exactly the same as saying you can’t meet on Christmas Day, another time where many people would be intending to gather with vulnerable elderly relatives / potentially travelling further than usual etc.
And if there were concerning spikes in (eg) Greater Manchester, W Yorks & E Lancs happening around 22 December, I’d expect exactly the same measures to be taken.
It’s about protecting the vulnerable, not ‘blaming’ Asians, and it just so happens there is a significant risk factor which will disproportionately affect Muslims.
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