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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2020 9:22:03 GMT
And if there were concerning spikes in (eg) Greater Manchester, W Yorks & E Lancs happening around 22 December, I’d expect exactly the same measures to be taken. It’s about protecting the vulnerable, not ‘blaming’ Asians, and it just so happens there is a significant risk factor which will disproportionately affect Muslims. exactly. its so obvious but as i have said before someone has to get the blame nowadays. cannot see anything wrong in new actions being taken but its too wide an area for everyone in these areas to be involved.
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Post by ebbs on Jul 31, 2020 9:28:37 GMT
Really can't see how anyone is to blame for this. It seems to me that the only reason cases fell away was because of a stringent lockdown. Open everything up and it will come back. It's a tricky one this. Imagine there is no vaccine, as there isn't for the common cold, would we have to stay in a stringent lockdown forever?.
I fear we all have to accept that life has become a bit riskier now, but if you are afraid of dying then you must want to live, and being in constant isolation and lockdown is not living. My generation (61) is one of the luckiest. We've never been asked to storm a beach in Normandy, never had to go over the top at the Somme etc etc. Unfortunately I think this is just something we have to live with but ensure we get the most enjoyment out of living while we still can.
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Post by Philcounty on Jul 31, 2020 9:45:55 GMT
Just seen this on Facebook. Dosser would love it. Where even is Greater Manchester? Someone might need to clarify to us Greater Manchester residents that we do actually live in GM for this new lockdown. Here's why. Altrincham, Hale and Bowdon think they're in Cheshire. They're not anymore, they're in Trafford, but are heavily in denial and often driving large Range Rovers and erecting obscene gates (that defeat the object of them living in any beautiful scenery as they can't see it) to ensure people think they're definitely Cheshire. There's a whole load of "Cheshire influencers" in Altrincham and Stockport getting a reality check tonight as to what county they're in. Sale also claims to be in Cheshire but that's just whack. Trafford is home to the Lancashire Cricket Ground, even though it's now geographically closer to Cheshire and definitely not in Lancashire. Stockport kind of thinks it's Cheshire (and in fairness, Hazel Grove and Bramhall are pretty posh). Marple used to be part of Glossop which is actually Derbyshire although Marple was at one point in time, Cheshire. It's now Greater Manchester with a Stockport postcode but kind of still looks a bit Derbyshire-ish and calls itself Cheshire. It's near a whole load of villages filled with people that have no idea where they are and who all look strikingly similar. Anyway, over to Wigan, you have Standish - the semi-posh part of Wigan. The top of Standish borders Chorley which actually is genuinely Lancashire. Head across to West Lancs or is it Merseyside? Basically it all starts to sound a bit Scouse as you go towards Skelmersdale. In fact, where the hell does Skelmersdale even fall? Mind you, no one goes to Skem anyway, it's just a sign on the M58. Ah, Bolton. Another proud Lancastrian sat confused in Greater Manchester's sprawl (at least residents of Horwich have Rivington close by for outdoor exercise, which while extremely popular with doggers from across the North West - avoid twilight jogs by the way, is technically Chorley so is in proper Lancashire). Bury, Rochdale and Oldham think they're in Lancashire still (although some parts of Rochdale and Oldham used to be in West Yorkshire and remain confused as to where the border is - somewhere in Saddleworth apparently, maybe near where they built a motorway around some poor farmer's house, or maybe Oldham Mumps wherever that is - you may have seen it on a tram, it's a place not a disease). Many in these towns also drive Range Rovers, although they're best avoided as they tend to be drug dealers and career criminals (there are drug dealers in Cheshire too, but they're posher). This particularly applies to Prestwich, a generally popular area in....well, it's close to the city centre and Salford but calls itself Bury, the cosmopolitan part. It's Greater Manchester nonetheless. Now to my old friend Salford. Salford stands alone as a city in a city - is it even "proparrr Manc R kid?" Media City isn't in Manchester really. It's in Salford. But that's Greater Manchester apparently, even though it's a whole separate city with a separate council and pretty pink bins. You'll also find plenty of Range Rovers and huge houses in Worsley, although they don't claim to live in Cheshire, they're Salford done good. They're just focused on pretending they live in Worsley and NOT Swinton despite the M27/M28 postcode giveaway (I once lived near the border and actively engaged in that disillusion myself). Nearby, well not that nearby, you'll find Little Hulton, a place that is definitely in Salford but close to Bolton yet calls itself Worsley. Worsley is on the way to city status if you believe the postal addresses of most in the region. Worsley is close to Leigh which is kind of Wigan-ish and down the road from Haydock, which isn't Lancashire any more. It's Merseyside. Even though it's right down the road from Wigan, and therefore Greater Manchester. Phew. Oh, and I've absolutely no idea where Tameside even is 😂😂😂 - sounds like it's in Newcastle. I think I'm the person to clear up the confusion. PS no offence to Range Rovers. PPS I've lived in many of the above areas. PPPS I still live in "Greater Manchester" m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2864958216941603&id=100002823591120
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Post by suedehead on Jul 31, 2020 9:52:45 GMT
I know that’s obviously tongue in cheek but there are genuinely people trying to claim it doesn’t apply to them because of Cheshire etc. It’s very simple, if you live in one of the boroughs, you’re in lockdown. County doesn’t come in to it.
Oh, and Sale definitely is Cheshire. There’s a huge sign 3 mins from my house that marks the border of Cheshire and Lancashire.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2020 10:07:31 GMT
I know that’s obviously tongue in cheek but there are genuinely people trying to claim it doesn’t apply to them because of Cheshire etc. It’s very simple, if you live in one of the boroughs, you’re in lockdown. County doesn’t come in to it. Oh, and Sale definitely is Cheshire. There’s a huge sign 3 mins from my house that marks the border of Cheshire and Lancashire. thought from the outset that new measures were regarded as local ones. a journey roughly from wigan to the outskirts of leeds cannot for me be regarded as local. not everyone in these areas actually live in densely populated cities and large towns by any stretch. its the usual one size having to fit all once again.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Jul 31, 2020 10:09:23 GMT
Regardless of what is behind this move, and I really don’t think it’s as simple as saying it’s young ‘uns or Asians as I’ve seen on Twitter 🙄, to announce quite sweeping moves two hours before they come into force is rough. Particularly on the eve of a major religious festival that families will have been planning for weeks. Is it any different from telling people on Christmas Eve that you can’t meet up for dinner on Christmas Day? At 10pm on Christmas Eve, via Twitter. Not even the courtesy of a press conference (which it was promised would be resurrected for things like this when they were sacked off a few weeks ago).
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Post by Imposter on Jul 31, 2020 10:10:56 GMT
Just seen this on Facebook. Dosser would love it. Where even is Greater Manchester? Someone might need to clarify to us Greater Manchester residents that we do actually live in GM for this new lockdown. Here's why. Altrincham, Hale and Bowdon think they're in Cheshire. They're not anymore, they're in Trafford, but are heavily in denial and often driving large Range Rovers and erecting obscene gates (that defeat the object of them living in any beautiful scenery as they can't see it) to ensure people think they're definitely Cheshire. There's a whole load of "Cheshire influencers" in Altrincham and Stockport getting a reality check tonight as to what county they're in. Sale also claims to be in Cheshire but that's just whack. Trafford is home to the Lancashire Cricket Ground, even though it's now geographically closer to Cheshire and definitely not in Lancashire. Stockport kind of thinks it's Cheshire (and in fairness, Hazel Grove and Bramhall are pretty posh). Marple used to be part of Glossop which is actually Derbyshire although Marple was at one point in time, Cheshire. It's now Greater Manchester with a Stockport postcode but kind of still looks a bit Derbyshire-ish and calls itself Cheshire. It's near a whole load of villages filled with people that have no idea where they are and who all look strikingly similar. Anyway, over to Wigan, you have Standish - the semi-posh part of Wigan. The top of Standish borders Chorley which actually is genuinely Lancashire. Head across to West Lancs or is it Merseyside? Basically it all starts to sound a bit Scouse as you go towards Skelmersdale. In fact, where the hell does Skelmersdale even fall? Mind you, no one goes to Skem anyway, it's just a sign on the M58. Ah, Bolton. Another proud Lancastrian sat confused in Greater Manchester's sprawl (at least residents of Horwich have Rivington close by for outdoor exercise, which while extremely popular with doggers from across the North West - avoid twilight jogs by the way, is technically Chorley so is in proper Lancashire). Bury, Rochdale and Oldham think they're in Lancashire still (although some parts of Rochdale and Oldham used to be in West Yorkshire and remain confused as to where the border is - somewhere in Saddleworth apparently, maybe near where they built a motorway around some poor farmer's house, or maybe Oldham Mumps wherever that is - you may have seen it on a tram, it's a place not a disease). Many in these towns also drive Range Rovers, although they're best avoided as they tend to be drug dealers and career criminals (there are drug dealers in Cheshire too, but they're posher). This particularly applies to Prestwich, a generally popular area in....well, it's close to the city centre and Salford but calls itself Bury, the cosmopolitan part. It's Greater Manchester nonetheless. Now to my old friend Salford. Salford stands alone as a city in a city - is it even "proparrr Manc R kid?" Media City isn't in Manchester really. It's in Salford. But that's Greater Manchester apparently, even though it's a whole separate city with a separate council and pretty pink bins. You'll also find plenty of Range Rovers and huge houses in Worsley, although they don't claim to live in Cheshire, they're Salford done good. They're just focused on pretending they live in Worsley and NOT Swinton despite the M27/M28 postcode giveaway (I once lived near the border and actively engaged in that disillusion myself). Nearby, well not that nearby, you'll find Little Hulton, a place that is definitely in Salford but close to Bolton yet calls itself Worsley. Worsley is on the way to city status if you believe the postal addresses of most in the region. Worsley is close to Leigh which is kind of Wigan-ish and down the road from Haydock, which isn't Lancashire any more. It's Merseyside. Even though it's right down the road from Wigan, and therefore Greater Manchester. Phew. Oh, and I've absolutely no idea where Tameside even is 😂😂😂 - sounds like it's in Newcastle. I think I'm the person to clear up the confusion. PS no offence to Range Rovers. PPS I've lived in many of the above areas. PPPS I still live in "Greater Manchester" m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2864958216941603&id=100002823591120Stockport is in the Greater Manchester Metropolitan County for administrative purposes. Note that the LGA 1972 did not do anything to the historic Counties of Britain. It only abolished the administrative counties and county boroughs. The Government was (and still is) happy to confirm that the Counties themselves were unaffected: "The new county boundaries are solely for the purpose of defining areas of ... local government. They are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of Counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change."(DoE Statement, 1st April 1974). It is usually recommended that for Local & Family History, the Historic Counties are used, as confusion can arise by trying to keep up with all the changes to Administrative Areas, although I am sure other people won't agree. The UK is said to have more administrative boundary changes per year than the rest of the European Union put together. ;D See www.gazetteer.co.uk/section4.html
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Post by Jack on Jul 31, 2020 10:15:11 GMT
Press conference with Boris at 12.
Seems all the changes across the whole of England that were due to take place tomorrow are being postponed.
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Post by Jack on Jul 31, 2020 10:16:45 GMT
As an outsider (although I was due to be back in Stockport next week) it seems a sensible approach to take to me.
Local lockdowns are treated like taxes it seems. Everybody is in favour until it directly affects them.
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Post by desmond on Jul 31, 2020 10:17:29 GMT
I know that’s obviously tongue in cheek but there are genuinely people trying to claim it doesn’t apply to them because of Cheshire etc. It’s very simple, if you live in one of the boroughs, you’re in lockdown. County doesn’t come in to it. Oh, and Sale definitely is Cheshire. There’s a huge sign 3 mins from my house that marks the border of Cheshire and Lancashire. It’s quite funny but it also seems to suggest that Greater Manacbester is a County which it certainly isn’t.
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Post by Imposter on Jul 31, 2020 10:19:40 GMT
Just seen this on Facebook. Dosser would love it. Where even is Greater Manchester? Someone might need to clarify to us Greater Manchester residents that we do actually live in GM for this new lockdown. Here's why. Altrincham, Hale and Bowdon think they're in Cheshire. They're not anymore, they're in Trafford, but are heavily in denial and often driving large Range Rovers and erecting obscene gates (that defeat the object of them living in any beautiful scenery as they can't see it) to ensure people think they're definitely Cheshire. There's a whole load of "Cheshire influencers" in Altrincham and Stockport getting a reality check tonight as to what county they're in. Sale also claims to be in Cheshire but that's just whack. Trafford is home to the Lancashire Cricket Ground, even though it's now geographically closer to Cheshire and definitely not in Lancashire. Stockport kind of thinks it's Cheshire (and in fairness, Hazel Grove and Bramhall are pretty posh). Marple used to be part of Glossop which is actually Derbyshire although Marple was at one point in time, Cheshire. It's now Greater Manchester with a Stockport postcode but kind of still looks a bit Derbyshire-ish and calls itself Cheshire. It's near a whole load of villages filled with people that have no idea where they are and who all look strikingly similar. Anyway, over to Wigan, you have Standish - the semi-posh part of Wigan. The top of Standish borders Chorley which actually is genuinely Lancashire. Head across to West Lancs or is it Merseyside? Basically it all starts to sound a bit Scouse as you go towards Skelmersdale. In fact, where the hell does Skelmersdale even fall? Mind you, no one goes to Skem anyway, it's just a sign on the M58. Ah, Bolton. Another proud Lancastrian sat confused in Greater Manchester's sprawl (at least residents of Horwich have Rivington close by for outdoor exercise, which while extremely popular with doggers from across the North West - avoid twilight jogs by the way, is technically Chorley so is in proper Lancashire). Bury, Rochdale and Oldham think they're in Lancashire still (although some parts of Rochdale and Oldham used to be in West Yorkshire and remain confused as to where the border is - somewhere in Saddleworth apparently, maybe near where they built a motorway around some poor farmer's house, or maybe Oldham Mumps wherever that is - you may have seen it on a tram, it's a place not a disease). Many in these towns also drive Range Rovers, although they're best avoided as they tend to be drug dealers and career criminals (there are drug dealers in Cheshire too, but they're posher). This particularly applies to Prestwich, a generally popular area in....well, it's close to the city centre and Salford but calls itself Bury, the cosmopolitan part. It's Greater Manchester nonetheless. Now to my old friend Salford. Salford stands alone as a city in a city - is it even "proparrr Manc R kid?" Media City isn't in Manchester really. It's in Salford. But that's Greater Manchester apparently, even though it's a whole separate city with a separate council and pretty pink bins. You'll also find plenty of Range Rovers and huge houses in Worsley, although they don't claim to live in Cheshire, they're Salford done good. They're just focused on pretending they live in Worsley and NOT Swinton despite the M27/M28 postcode giveaway (I once lived near the border and actively engaged in that disillusion myself). Nearby, well not that nearby, you'll find Little Hulton, a place that is definitely in Salford but close to Bolton yet calls itself Worsley. Worsley is on the way to city status if you believe the postal addresses of most in the region. Worsley is close to Leigh which is kind of Wigan-ish and down the road from Haydock, which isn't Lancashire any more. It's Merseyside. Even though it's right down the road from Wigan, and therefore Greater Manchester. Phew. Oh, and I've absolutely no idea where Tameside even is 😂😂😂 - sounds like it's in Newcastle. I think I'm the person to clear up the confusion. PS no offence to Range Rovers. PPS I've lived in many of the above areas. PPPS I still live in "Greater Manchester" m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2864958216941603&id=100002823591120Also this sounds like the same old boring prejudiced bulls**t view that Lancashire folk are all clog-wearing, Corrie, mill working, salt of the earth working class people. Whilst Cheshire people are WAGS, Cheshire Housewives, Alderley Edge, Mr Darcy poshos. Funny they never think of mill workers in Hyde, hatters in Stockport, railwaymen in Crewe, shipbuilders in Birkenhead, chemical workers in Runcorn, etc.... Or indeed of St Anne's, Crosby, vast posh Tory-voting areas of rural West Lancashire, or million pound houses in Worsley.
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Post by Imposter on Jul 31, 2020 10:24:15 GMT
Just seen this on Facebook. Dosser would love it. Where even is Greater Manchester? Someone might need to clarify to us Greater Manchester residents that we do actually live in GM for this new lockdown. Here's why. Altrincham, Hale and Bowdon think they're in Cheshire. They're not anymore, they're in Trafford, but are heavily in denial and often driving large Range Rovers and erecting obscene gates (that defeat the object of them living in any beautiful scenery as they can't see it) to ensure people think they're definitely Cheshire. There's a whole load of "Cheshire influencers" in Altrincham and Stockport getting a reality check tonight as to what county they're in. Sale also claims to be in Cheshire but that's just whack. Trafford is home to the Lancashire Cricket Ground, even though it's now geographically closer to Cheshire and definitely not in Lancashire. Stockport kind of thinks it's Cheshire (and in fairness, Hazel Grove and Bramhall are pretty posh). Marple used to be part of Glossop which is actually Derbyshire although Marple was at one point in time, Cheshire. It's now Greater Manchester with a Stockport postcode but kind of still looks a bit Derbyshire-ish and calls itself Cheshire. It's near a whole load of villages filled with people that have no idea where they are and who all look strikingly similar. Anyway, over to Wigan, you have Standish - the semi-posh part of Wigan. The top of Standish borders Chorley which actually is genuinely Lancashire. Head across to West Lancs or is it Merseyside? Basically it all starts to sound a bit Scouse as you go towards Skelmersdale. In fact, where the hell does Skelmersdale even fall? Mind you, no one goes to Skem anyway, it's just a sign on the M58. Ah, Bolton. Another proud Lancastrian sat confused in Greater Manchester's sprawl (at least residents of Horwich have Rivington close by for outdoor exercise, which while extremely popular with doggers from across the North West - avoid twilight jogs by the way, is technically Chorley so is in proper Lancashire). Bury, Rochdale and Oldham think they're in Lancashire still (although some parts of Rochdale and Oldham used to be in West Yorkshire and remain confused as to where the border is - somewhere in Saddleworth apparently, maybe near where they built a motorway around some poor farmer's house, or maybe Oldham Mumps wherever that is - you may have seen it on a tram, it's a place not a disease). Many in these towns also drive Range Rovers, although they're best avoided as they tend to be drug dealers and career criminals (there are drug dealers in Cheshire too, but they're posher). This particularly applies to Prestwich, a generally popular area in....well, it's close to the city centre and Salford but calls itself Bury, the cosmopolitan part. It's Greater Manchester nonetheless. Now to my old friend Salford. Salford stands alone as a city in a city - is it even "proparrr Manc R kid?" Media City isn't in Manchester really. It's in Salford. But that's Greater Manchester apparently, even though it's a whole separate city with a separate council and pretty pink bins. You'll also find plenty of Range Rovers and huge houses in Worsley, although they don't claim to live in Cheshire, they're Salford done good. They're just focused on pretending they live in Worsley and NOT Swinton despite the M27/M28 postcode giveaway (I once lived near the border and actively engaged in that disillusion myself). Nearby, well not that nearby, you'll find Little Hulton, a place that is definitely in Salford but close to Bolton yet calls itself Worsley. Worsley is on the way to city status if you believe the postal addresses of most in the region. Worsley is close to Leigh which is kind of Wigan-ish and down the road from Haydock, which isn't Lancashire any more. It's Merseyside. Even though it's right down the road from Wigan, and therefore Greater Manchester. Phew. Oh, and I've absolutely no idea where Tameside even is 😂😂😂 - sounds like it's in Newcastle. I think I'm the person to clear up the confusion. PS no offence to Range Rovers. PPS I've lived in many of the above areas. PPPS I still live in "Greater Manchester" m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2864958216941603&id=100002823591120Also this sounds like the same old boring prejudiced bulls**t view that Lancashire folk are all clog-wearing, Corrie, mill working, salt of the earth working class people. Whilst Cheshire people are WAGS, Cheshire Housewives, Alderley Edge, Mr Darcy poshos. Funny they never think of mill workers in Hyde, hatters in Stockport, railwaymen in Crewe, shipbuilders in Birkenhead, chemical workers in Runcorn, etc.... Or indeed of St Anne's, Crosby, vast posh Tory-voting areas of rural West Lancashire, or million pound houses in Worsley. Not to mention it's far more likely to be those from the Lancashire side who are in denial - someone from Oldham, Bolton, Wigan, Rochdale can't wait to tell you they're from Lancashire.
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Jul 31, 2020 10:34:41 GMT
Well done for being a big reason as to why we left the EU, if you want to play that game, Desmond. 🤡 Who said how or if I voted ? And I was directly quoting what the local authority were saying about the latest situation, it wasn’t just my take on things. Cummings would be proud (you know that unelected bloke who wouldn't look out of place in Game of Thrones) as it gives the public a different, unspecific group of people to focus their derision on. They've spent 4 months successfully deflecting blame to such an extent that Tories like yourself have forgotten that we have the highest death toll in Europe and the 3rd in the world. Your bunch have done a shockingly bad job in comparison to other Countries. As Imposter says the 18-25 age group are more likely to work in areas that make Social Distancing nigh on impossible. Larger Companies who are happy with a working from home policy are more likely to support their more senior staff in doing so. The 18 to 25 age group haven't had the time to climb the greasy pole that older people have. Test Track and Trace isn't working properly. We've started wearing face masks (in some places) over the last week even though some older wearers seem to feel that it makes them impervious whilst the Johnson, Gove and others bang on incessantly about using non specifics ie Great British Common Sense!. We don't need rules, laws, guidelines just common sense and a section of society to take the blame (even better if blamed by another party). Straightforward regulations were needed from the outset not guidelines with get out clauses for friends, family and bosses (ie Cummings). It's not too late to put it right but do they want to?
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2020 10:47:25 GMT
As an outsider (although I was due to be back in Stockport next week) it seems a sensible approach to take to me. Local lockdowns are treated like taxes it seems. Everybody is in favour until it directly affects them. its hardly a local issue where over 4 million people are involved right across the north of england. leicester was local, this is not.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 31, 2020 10:58:05 GMT
As an outsider (although I was due to be back in Stockport next week) it seems a sensible approach to take to me. Local lockdowns are treated like taxes it seems. Everybody is in favour until it directly affects them. its hardly a local issue where over 4 million people are involved right across the north of england. leicester was local, this is not. If there's an issue across GM, West Yorkshire and North Lancs then I've no problem in a lockdown coming into force in those areas. It's pointless putting Sale in lockdown but not Altrincham, or something similarly hyper-local. Whether Greater Manchester is local or not is just one for semantics.
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