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Post by timberwolf on Mar 30, 2023 8:27:32 GMT
Aught a bit of the Vine radio show whilst out driving earlier and they were talking about the death of Lily Savage as though she was the actual person who had died. I get that the character was a major thing with regards to the gay community but thought that talking about the character rather than the person behind it was a little strange/disrespectful. Yes, and on top of that many younger people have never known him as lily savage but in his present form. Not many people have re invented themselves to have two separate careers that they,ll be remembered for. Must be one of the few people i have never met where i can say i actually felt sorrt for when i heard the news. Not many performers ever in my lifetime where i made a real effort to watch, but he was one.
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Post by vicar on Mar 30, 2023 14:49:40 GMT
So sad to hear about O'Grady's demise and no age really these days. His Sunday teatime show was always a fixture in our house and he was weirdly treated by the BBC at the end, sort of half-axed him, made him share his show 13 weeks on 13 weeks off with another DJ, I never understood the thinking there at all. Sad to hear of anyone going too early but I didn't just dislike that show, I hated it but my wife liked it so I'd just find something to do, I couldn't even stay in the room, I was driving today and there were people phoning a radio show saying how he inspired them to get a dog, as if they didn't know about dogs until he told people about them.
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Post by FridoBiggins on Mar 30, 2023 14:56:11 GMT
So sad to hear about O'Grady's demise and no age really these days. His Sunday teatime show was always a fixture in our house and he was weirdly treated by the BBC at the end, sort of half-axed him, made him share his show 13 weeks on 13 weeks off with another DJ, I never understood the thinking there at all. Sad to hear of anyone going too early but I didn't just dislike that show, I hated it but my wife liked it so I'd just find something to do, I couldn't even stay in the room, I was driving t. oday and there were people phoning a radio show saying how he inspired them to get a dog, as if they didn't know about dogs until he told people about them. I'm with you. Didn't get/enjoy the shows at all. Clearly a very popular person though, as well as being a star. RIP.
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Post by bigmartin on Mar 30, 2023 15:49:23 GMT
So sad to hear about O'Grady's demise and no age really these days. His Sunday teatime show was always a fixture in our house and he was weirdly treated by the BBC at the end, sort of half-axed him, made him share his show 13 weeks on 13 weeks off with another DJ, I never understood the thinking there at all. Sad to hear of anyone going too early but I didn't just dislike that show, I hated it but my wife liked it so I'd just find something to do, I couldn't even stay in the room, I was driving today and there were people phoning a radio show saying how he inspired them to get a dog, as if they didn't know about dogs until he told people about them. People know a bit about dogs, but he highlighted the issue this country has with abandoned dogs and just how many are in shelters at any one point in time. People still buy puppies of course (which should be completely illegal in this country), but he brought to the wider public attention the fact that there is an alternative to dog breeding scum, and those complete bloody halfwit imbeciles who buy from them. And he absolutely loved dogs which, as someone like myself who prefers them to humans, is a huge plus point in my book. Hugely admired the bloke. Extremely sad about the news.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 31, 2023 8:45:49 GMT
People know a bit about dogs, but he highlighted the issue this country has with abandoned dogs and just how many are in shelters at any one point in time. People still buy puppies of course (which should be completely illegal in this country), but he brought to the wider public attention the fact that there is an alternative to dog breeding scum, and those complete bloody halfwit imbeciles who buy from them. And he absolutely loved dogs which, as someone like myself who prefers them to humans, is a huge plus point in my book. Hugely admired the bloke. Extremely sad about the news. Not too sure about banning everyone from buying or selling puppies as not everyone is a puppy farmer even if they do it for the money. Rescue dogs are fine but all the ones i have rescued have had at least one problem with them that needs time and patiance to overcome. If you have not either then do not bother in the first place, but if you have you,ll get more out of it for yourself and the dog once you succeed. At least in his show he did show problem dogs hard to re home and not the easy options that made it good viewing especially for those who do re home or them thinking about it.
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Post by ebbs on Mar 31, 2023 9:13:54 GMT
Sad to hear of anyone going too early but I didn't just dislike that show, I hated it but my wife liked it so I'd just find something to do, I couldn't even stay in the room, I was driving today and there were people phoning a radio show saying how he inspired them to get a dog, as if they didn't know about dogs until he told people about them. People know a bit about dogs, but he highlighted the issue this country has with abandoned dogs and just how many are in shelters at any one point in time. People still buy puppies of course (which should be completely illegal in this country), but he brought to the wider public attention the fact that there is an alternative to dog breeding scum, and those complete bloody halfwit imbeciles who buy from them. And he absolutely loved dogs which, as someone like myself who prefers them to humans, is a huge plus point in my book. Hugely admired the bloke. Extremely sad about the news. I get your point and agree to a certain point, but there are plenty of good breeders out there if you are careful and do your due diligence. The law has changed so that its illegal to buy through a third party which used to be the big problem, you have to go to the breeder directly and, unless you are a half wit, you will be able to assess their accreditation and honesty, should be KC and Local Authority registered. On POG, I loved his work with Battersea and his genuine love for all dogs he worked with. You could tell from the interaction that dogs recognised the love and affection he had for them. RIP.
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Post by bigmartin on Mar 31, 2023 9:20:58 GMT
People know a bit about dogs, but he highlighted the issue this country has with abandoned dogs and just how many are in shelters at any one point in time. People still buy puppies of course (which should be completely illegal in this country), but he brought to the wider public attention the fact that there is an alternative to dog breeding scum, and those complete bloody halfwit imbeciles who buy from them. And he absolutely loved dogs which, as someone like myself who prefers them to humans, is a huge plus point in my book. Hugely admired the bloke. Extremely sad about the news. Not too sure about banning everyone from buying or selling puppies as not everyone is a puppy farmer even if they do it for the money. Rescue dogs are fine but all the ones i have rescued have had at least one problem with them that needs time and patiance to overcome. If you have not either then do not bother in the first place, but if you have you,ll get more out of it for yourself and the dog once you succeed. At least in his show he did show problem dogs hard to re home and not the easy options that made it good viewing especially for those who do re home or them thinking about it. We've fostered and adopted around 20 dogs over the past 15 years and I think one, perhaps two, had any kind of "issue". Mostly with dogs they're actually just idiosyncrasies. Small character traits that give them some character. It's rarely problematic. Though I agree it can sometimes require some effort (something humans seem to struggle with). The issue here is simple. There are too many dogs in this country. And no-one will tackle the problem. People would rather buy a puppy from a breeder than take one of the dogs left behind at the shelter. There are reasons for that but it's almost always down to pure selfishness and/or lack of awareness (something which Paul O'Grady helped solve). Dog breeders are a scourge. They rarely pay taxes. They very rarely have any sensitivity to the needs of the dogs they breed, or the people they're selling them to. And they're basically adding to a pre-existent social problem. f*cking hate them with not inconsiderable passion. There are no "good" dog breeders. They're all scum, just at different levels of the word. My wife's worked for dog-rehoming charities all her adult life. She deals with the repercussions of all this and it's f*cking heinous.
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Post by ebbs on Mar 31, 2023 9:23:57 GMT
People know a bit about dogs, but he highlighted the issue this country has with abandoned dogs and just how many are in shelters at any one point in time. People still buy puppies of course (which should be completely illegal in this country), but he brought to the wider public attention the fact that there is an alternative to dog breeding scum, and those complete bloody halfwit imbeciles who buy from them. And he absolutely loved dogs which, as someone like myself who prefers them to humans, is a huge plus point in my book. Hugely admired the bloke. Extremely sad about the news. Not too sure about banning everyone from buying or selling puppies as not everyone is a puppy farmer even if they do it for the money. Rescue dogs are fine but all the ones i have rescued have had at least one problem with them that needs time and patiance to overcome. If you have not either then do not bother in the first place, but if you have you,ll get more out of it for yourself and the dog once you succeed. At least in his show he did show problem dogs hard to re home and not the easy options that made it good viewing especially for those who do re home or them thinking about it. Had dogs all my life and have loved them all. We did take a rescue dog in, but as you have pointed out they usually have issues/problems, and at the time, with a young child in the house we quickly realised that it was a step too far (quite bad aggression traits). We would have sorted him out but not with a young child. Getting a young puppy from a reputable breeder allows the dog and the family to properly integrate and develop together. We currently have a beautiful 8 month old Cocker Spaniel who within a couple of days of getting her was just another member of the family.
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Post by bigmartin on Mar 31, 2023 9:25:03 GMT
People know a bit about dogs, but he highlighted the issue this country has with abandoned dogs and just how many are in shelters at any one point in time. People still buy puppies of course (which should be completely illegal in this country), but he brought to the wider public attention the fact that there is an alternative to dog breeding scum, and those complete bloody halfwit imbeciles who buy from them. And he absolutely loved dogs which, as someone like myself who prefers them to humans, is a huge plus point in my book. Hugely admired the bloke. Extremely sad about the news. I get your point and agree to a certain point, but there are plenty of good breeders out there if you are careful and do your due diligence. The law has changed so that its illegal to buy through a third party which used to be the big problem, you have to go to the breeder directly and, unless you are a half wit, you will be able to assess their accreditation and honesty, should be KC and Local Authority registered. On POG, I loved his work with Battersea and his genuine love for all dogs he worked with. You could tell from the interaction that dogs recognised the love and affection he had for them. RIP. I guess it's all about opinions...but every dog bought from a breeder means a perfectly good dog is killed somewhere along the process. That's the absolute reality of dog breeders in a country with too many dogs. Dog breeding is an evil industry. Dog breeders are at the fundamental heart of almost all the problematic issues this country has with dogs. And they don't give a toss, so long as they make money.
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Post by bigmartin on Mar 31, 2023 9:37:57 GMT
Not too sure about banning everyone from buying or selling puppies as not everyone is a puppy farmer even if they do it for the money. Rescue dogs are fine but all the ones i have rescued have had at least one problem with them that needs time and patiance to overcome. If you have not either then do not bother in the first place, but if you have you,ll get more out of it for yourself and the dog once you succeed. At least in his show he did show problem dogs hard to re home and not the easy options that made it good viewing especially for those who do re home or them thinking about it. Had dogs all my life and have loved them all. We did take a rescue dog in, but as you have pointed out they usually have issues/problems, and at the time, with a young child in the house we quickly realised that it was a step too far (quite bad aggression traits). We would have sorted him out but not with a young child. Getting a young puppy from a reputable breeder allows the dog and the family to properly integrate and develop together. We currently have a beautiful 8 month old Cocker Spaniel who within a couple of days of getting her was just another member of the family. If your child ever treads on that Cocker Spaniel of yours (fantastic dogs by the way) your dog will spin round and show "bad aggression traits". Ce la vie. They're dogs. They can't speak and almost all will respond to a situation with apparent aggression. Just like we do. Only time I ever got bit by a dog was a rescue which we had on foster. One of these little rat dogs as I call them. Bred until every molecule of 'dog' had been bred out of it (by breeders). I was handing it food and it bit me. Mrs M of course pointed out...the dog had lived with a bloke all it's life. He couldn't look after it so dropped it off at the shelter where it got messed about with by a load of humans and had to integrate with other dogs having been alone with its owner all its life. Then my 6'3", and 28 stone frame comes lumbering towards it... That's one single dog. I can't remember an instance of any of the other 20+ dogs which have come through our home displaying any kind of aggression that we could not understand...so I dispute the suggestion that "all/most rescue dogs...". It's almost certain that you were just slightly unlucky or even, dare I say it, misunderstood the dog's behaviour. Though, I can totally understand your position at the time. I also spent many years walking dogs up at Bleak Holt. And I singularly cannot remember a single instance (across literally 50-100 dogs I walked) of any of them snapping or biting beyond what would be considered normal 'dog behaviour'.
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Post by ebbs on Mar 31, 2023 9:45:31 GMT
I get your point and agree to a certain point, but there are plenty of good breeders out there if you are careful and do your due diligence. The law has changed so that its illegal to buy through a third party which used to be the big problem, you have to go to the breeder directly and, unless you are a half wit, you will be able to assess their accreditation and honesty, should be KC and Local Authority registered. On POG, I loved his work with Battersea and his genuine love for all dogs he worked with. You could tell from the interaction that dogs recognised the love and affection he had for them. RIP. I guess it's all about opinions...but every dog bought from a breeder means a perfectly good dog is killed somewhere along the process. That's the absolute reality of dog breeders in a country with too many dogs. Dog breeding is an evil industry. Dog breeders are at the fundamental heart of almost all the problematic issues this country has with dogs. And they don't give a toss, so long as they make money. I genuinely get your point and as two people who obviously love dogs I fully respect your opinion. The Major problem for me is people not breeders. The dog for Christmas/lockdown who then give up for no reason and simply abandon are the real scum here. As I put in another thread the rescue dog we reluctantly had to give up due to safety issues, we made absolutely sure that he was rehomed again in a more appropriate environment. Incidentally the charity that originally housed him with us were, it turned out, fully aware of the aggressive tendencies and also that we had a young child and never once mentioned it to us, that is worse than indiscriminate breeders. We have recently bought from a breeder who insisted we visit 3 times at various stages of the initial 8 weeks and was clearly vetting us just as much as we were vetting her. I accept that there are scum out there who should be rounded up and eliminated, but can't accept that one size fits all.
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Post by bigmartin on Mar 31, 2023 9:58:26 GMT
I guess it's all about opinions...but every dog bought from a breeder means a perfectly good dog is killed somewhere along the process. That's the absolute reality of dog breeders in a country with too many dogs. Dog breeding is an evil industry. Dog breeders are at the fundamental heart of almost all the problematic issues this country has with dogs. And they don't give a toss, so long as they make money. I genuinely get your point and as two people who obviously love dogs I fully respect your opinion. The Major problem for me is people not breeders. The dog for Christmas/lockdown who then give up for no reason and simply abandon are the real scum here. As I put in another thread the rescue dog we reluctantly had to give up due to safety issues, we made absolutely sure that he was rehomed again in a more appropriate environment. Incidentally the charity that originally housed him with us were, it turned out, fully aware of the aggressive tendencies and also that we had a young child and never once mentioned it to us, that is worse than indiscriminate breeders. We have recently bought from a breeder who insisted we visit 3 times at various stages of the initial 8 weeks and was clearly vetting us just as much as we were vetting her. I accept that there are scum out there who should be rounded up and eliminated, but can't accept that one size fits all. I know mate. Probably on very similar pages. I'd like a 5 year moratorium on breeding just so we can get our issue under control. As it stands we're just breeding more dogs on top of a pre-existing problem. Then I think we'd have a manageable issue and people could make their own personal choices without cantankerous old tw*ts like me mouthing off.
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Post by ebbs on Mar 31, 2023 9:59:30 GMT
Had dogs all my life and have loved them all. We did take a rescue dog in, but as you have pointed out they usually have issues/problems, and at the time, with a young child in the house we quickly realised that it was a step too far (quite bad aggression traits). We would have sorted him out but not with a young child. Getting a young puppy from a reputable breeder allows the dog and the family to properly integrate and develop together. We currently have a beautiful 8 month old Cocker Spaniel who within a couple of days of getting her was just another member of the family. If your child ever treads on that Cocker Spaniel of yours (fantastic dogs by the way) your dog will spin round and show "bad aggression traits". Ce la vie. They're dogs. They can't speak and almost all will respond to a situation with apparent aggression. Just like we do. Only time I ever got bit by a dog was a rescue which we had on foster. One of these little rat dogs as I call them. Bred until every molecule of 'dog' had been bred out of it (by breeders). I was handing it food and it bit me. Mrs M of course pointed out...the dog had lived with a bloke all it's life. He couldn't look after it so dropped it off at the shelter where it got messed about with by a load of humans and had to integrate with other dogs having been alone with its owner all its life. Then my 6'3", and 28 stone frame comes lumbering towards it... That's one single dog. I can't remember an instance of any of the other 20+ dogs which have come through our home displaying any kind of aggression that we could not understand...so I dispute the suggestion that "all/most rescue dogs...". It's almost certain that you were just slightly unlucky or even, dare I say it, misunderstood the dog's behaviour. Though, I can totally understand your position at the time. I also spent many years walking dogs up at Bleak Holt. And I singularly cannot remember a single instance (across literally 50-100 dogs I walked) of any of them snapping or biting beyond what would be considered normal 'dog behaviour'. It was far worse than being trod on, bit my wife for no reason and knocked me off my feet again without a cause other than probably being unhappy. By the way, by issues I don't just mean aggression. Basically you shouldn't take a dog on unless you are prepared to invest a lot of time and effort. You will be rewarded by a loving and loyal companion.
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Post by ebbs on Mar 31, 2023 10:02:54 GMT
I genuinely get your point and as two people who obviously love dogs I fully respect your opinion. The Major problem for me is people not breeders. The dog for Christmas/lockdown who then give up for no reason and simply abandon are the real scum here. As I put in another thread the rescue dog we reluctantly had to give up due to safety issues, we made absolutely sure that he was rehomed again in a more appropriate environment. Incidentally the charity that originally housed him with us were, it turned out, fully aware of the aggressive tendencies and also that we had a young child and never once mentioned it to us, that is worse than indiscriminate breeders. We have recently bought from a breeder who insisted we visit 3 times at various stages of the initial 8 weeks and was clearly vetting us just as much as we were vetting her. I accept that there are scum out there who should be rounded up and eliminated, but can't accept that one size fits all. I know mate. Probably on very similar pages. I'd like a 5 year moratorium on breeding just so we can get our issue under control. As it stands we're just breeding more dogs on top of a pre-existing problem. Then I think we'd have a manageable issue and people could make their own personal choices without cantankerous old tw*ts like me mouthing off. Agree with that, the moratorium not the cantankerous tw*t bit!
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 31, 2023 10:19:03 GMT
I genuinely get your point and as two people who obviously love dogs I fully respect your opinion. The Major problem for me is people not breeders. The dog for Christmas/lockdown who then give up for no reason and simply abandon are the real scum here. As I put in another thread the rescue dog we reluctantly had to give up due to safety issues, we made absolutely sure that he was rehomed again in a more appropriate environment. Incidentally the charity that originally housed him with us were, it turned out, fully aware of the aggressive tendencies and also that we had a young child and never once mentioned it to us, that is worse than indiscriminate breeders. We have recently bought from a breeder who insisted we visit 3 times at various stages of the initial 8 weeks and was clearly vetting us just as much as we were vetting her. I accept that there are scum out there who should be rounded up and eliminated, but can't accept that one size fits all. I know mate. Probably on very similar pages. I'd like a 5 year moratorium on breeding just so we can get our issue under control. As it stands we're just breeding more dogs on top of a pre-existing problem. Then I think we'd have a manageable issue and people could make their own personal choices without cantankerous old tw*ts like me mouthing off. Do think many of what can be described as caring breeders actually allow the situation of the back street breeder and puppy farmers to flourish. Simply due to the prices they ask for a puppy. When a bernese mountain dog puppy is regarded as cheap at 1,500 quid you know there is a problem. Its not just aggressiveness eith with rescue dogs its health issues with some even just eating can be a problem. I have been relatively lucky with mine but some people have not by a long way. Not oversure the new owner gets the full and complete information about the animal from some rescue centres or the vetting procedure for new owners is all that it should be. Having a big enclosed garden is not the b all of dog ownership where all they might get is the use of that garden and never exercised. No garden but proof of dog ownership in the past is far better as you know the owner has no option but getting off their backside a few times a day. Afraid new dog ownership is getting closer to buying another car nowadays of the type or breed you prefer. A new one or a puppy from equally possibly dodgy sellers you do not know or a second hand rehomer with little real service or past history.
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