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Post by DaveLong79 on Sept 19, 2021 13:20:09 GMT
I don't have anything against him, like the rest he should be judged once Rusk is gone. His performances have been symptomatic of our team's performances. There is a severe lack of confidence at the moment which is bound to spill over into sloppy play and criticising others. As a captain, however, he should be above that and setting the standard for the rest. I hope the lack of leadership is another symptom of our poor form.
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Post by m20hatter on Sept 19, 2021 13:40:34 GMT
A player who is clearly good enough to be a top player at this level, but has gone backwards in the last 12 months and is clearly struggling so far this season. How many players could you say that about in our squad? This
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Post by didsburyhatter on Sept 19, 2021 13:41:58 GMT
Didn't he get voted Player of the Season last season? Was about to post the same. He’s undoubtedly a quality player at this level, but I’m not having him as a captain. He often looks to blame/berate others and yesterday I’d have expected a proper captain to get within 50 feet of us rather than half heartedly clap and then scuttle off. Don’t really know what coming over would have achieved but at least it’d look like he cares, at the moment I don’t think any of them are bothered at all. It’s part of a captain’s job to instil that in every player. We’re massively suffering from a lack of leaders across the pitch. The Champions team had Palmer, Turnbull, Walker and Warburton, always looking to raise the standard on the pitch and driving us forward. I noticed Madden was having a go at Reid and shaking his head a few times yesterday too. If he took responsibility the same amount of times he pointed the finger and shouted at others he'd be a better captain than John Terry and Tony Adams combined.
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Post by David Schofield on Sept 19, 2021 13:43:50 GMT
Can anyone please tell me what Hogan brings to our team? As a Captain he is a poor leader, loses the ball when in position and does something Gannon used to preach against. He gives numerous free kicks away around the penalty area. It’s like we play with 10 men against 12 when he plays as he looks like the oppositions 12th man, he has gifted them so many chances. Yet we play him ahead of Palmer!!! I remember Nyal Bell giving the ball away which led to a late goal against Torquay. Hogan had a right go at him and we never saw Bell again. but it is something Hogan continually does. We need a solid, strong and dependable centre half to partner Ash Palmer. As a Captain he should lead by example, he does not do that or is he a club man. Sam Minihan should be our Captain, always gives 100% and gives to the Club. What does Hogan do to warrant being our Captain?🧢 Hogan is an excellent player and I am genuinely baffled by the level of criticism he receives. He's gone though a poor spell that is for sure, but that applies to half the squad
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Post by m14hatter on Sept 19, 2021 13:44:46 GMT
I think you can say he’s gone backwards this season but how can you say he’s gone backwards over the last 12 months? He was player of the season last season and was an ever present in the best defence in the league that kept a ridiculous amount of clean sheets.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 19, 2021 13:50:54 GMT
It’s not his ability for me, I’ve said he’s undoubtedly quality for this level. It’s the finger pointing and calling players out/complete lack of being a proper captain that riles.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 19, 2021 14:59:57 GMT
Didn't he get voted Player of the Season last season? I didn’t vote for him
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Post by wnm on Sept 19, 2021 15:21:16 GMT
It’s not his ability for me, I’ve said he’s undoubtedly quality for this level. It’s the finger pointing and calling players out/complete lack of being a proper captain that riles. Surely calling players out is being a captain. Saying nothing and looking like he doesn’t give a shit would be something you could call him out for. I’ll admit he has lead to by example as well and stop giving stupid free kicks and the ball though the latter would happen a lot less with a different formation, tactics and manager I feel.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 19, 2021 15:24:39 GMT
It’s not his ability for me, I’ve said he’s undoubtedly quality for this level. It’s the finger pointing and calling players out/complete lack of being a proper captain that riles. Surely calling players out is being a captain. Saying nothing and looking like he doesn’t give a shit would be something you could call him out for. I’ll admit he has lead to by example as well and stop giving stupid free kicks and the ball though the latter would happen a lot less with a different formation, tactics and manager I feel. There’s a way of doing it. I know I keep using his name but Sam Walker was a leader and would have a word with players without laying into them, pointing fingers, shaking his head etc. That’s a captain. Not somebody who blames others for the team’s shortcomings.
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Post by wnm on Sept 19, 2021 15:30:44 GMT
Surely calling players out is being a captain. Saying nothing and looking like he doesn’t give a shit would be something you could call him out for. I’ll admit he has lead to by example as well and stop giving stupid free kicks and the ball though the latter would happen a lot less with a different formation, tactics and manager I feel. There’s a way of doing it. I know I keep using his name but Sam Walker was a leader and would have a word with players without laying into them, pointing fingers, shaking his head etc. That’s a captain. Not somebody who blames others for the team’s shortcomings. I agree people have different styles but sometimes people need a bollocking and I’m glad he’s holding people accountable. Walker was never given the captain’s armband it must also be pointed out. He was captain at Salford as well in a promotion winning team so a much better manager than Rusk thought he fitted that role. I think the hate for him really still comes from the rumours (that were denied) that he was behind Gannon’s departure.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 19, 2021 15:33:47 GMT
There’s a way of doing it. I know I keep using his name but Sam Walker was a leader and would have a word with players without laying into them, pointing fingers, shaking his head etc. That’s a captain. Not somebody who blames others for the team’s shortcomings. I agree people have different styles but sometimes people need a bollocking and I’m glad he’s holding people accountable. Walker was never given the captain’s armband it must also be pointed out. He was captain at Salford as well in a promotion winning team so a much better manager than Rusk thought he fitted that role. I think the hate for him really still comes from the rumours (that were denied) that he was behind Gannon’s departure. They do, but I still there’s a time and a place for it. A bollocking is one thing, shaking your head at players when they make a mistake is another. It’s belittling. And, FWIW, I don’t hate him at all. I voted him my POTS last year by a long way. I think he’s generally a top player at this level, albeit with the occasional rush of blood to the head.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 19, 2021 20:05:21 GMT
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Post by leicesterhatter on Sept 19, 2021 20:41:27 GMT
Picking the captain and marquee signing for last season for the mural made perfect sense, surely? As I've said before, what 8 year old kid is going to look at pictures and be impressed to see Bill Williams, or anyone else from our history? They want a big picture of someone they can see... and I'm not arsed by who is in the pictures because, ya know, I'm not going to get my picture taken with it.
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Post by Andy on Sept 19, 2021 20:41:35 GMT
Seems like a excerpt from the Rusk book of responses to me.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 19, 2021 20:43:37 GMT
Picking the captain and marquee signing for last season for the mural made perfect sense, surely? As I've said before, what 8 year old kid is going to look at pictures and be impressed to see Bill Williams, or anyone else from our history? They want a big picture of someone they can see... and I'm not arsed by who is in the pictures because, ya know, I'm not going to get my picture taken with it. I’d have my photo taken with a mural of Alun every week 🥰
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