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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 22, 2021 19:44:39 GMT
So you’re saying 21st in October after big investment (should that circumstance occur) would be acceptable to you? No, of course not, but I’d give Challinor chance to fix it, he’s clearly a good manager, gave Jim’s team a pasting, narrowly finished behind Jim’s and Rusk’s team, narrowly beat us in the play off final, got lucky with a red card that should have been, but maybe should have had a pen, narrow margins but did triumph against the rookie PE teacher at second attempt. Simon Rusk got us to the playoff final last season now did he?! Your loyalty to the incumbent manager (even a hypothetical one) is admirable, but there’s no need to overstate his achievements quite so blatantly! As for “PE teacher”, I think you must be confusing me for someone else. I’ve said that some of SR’s post-match interviews smacked of a school sports day ethic because effort was seemingly more important than results, but the tragedy there is that I’m not even sure he’s able to get effort out of much of the team anymore. Certainly not *productive* effort. Ultimately though, I was opposed to attempting to buy promotion because it’s part of everything that’s bad about football these days. But I went along with it as a necessary evil. We’re now in a situation where we’ve *paid for it* but look extremely unlikely *to receive it*, and while you might say it’s not really been paid for because it’s just Mark Stott lending himself his own money, there a real sense of the Golden Tit having been sucked dry (Simon Rusk, if you happen to be reading this: ask Mark McGhee. He’ll explain.) The best I think any of us can hope for is that someone else can do better with the squad we have than the current manager has, because we’ve maxed out the Promotion Credit Card.
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Post by ricky on Sept 22, 2021 19:46:05 GMT
Literally the only reason I can think of to keep Rusk for now is the lack of alternatives (other than the obvious, who yes I would obviously welcome back, but it's not happening). Challinor? It's not impossible but would he leave a League team when he's not managed in the league before, as far as I know? Only for the money, which seems like the managerial equivalent of what we've done with some of the players... albeit managers have a bigger incentive to make things work, as their reputations are more precarious. and moving much closer to home for a better work/life balance. Working for a bigger club with better facilities and more resources with much more potential. Challinor would snap our hands off if he was offered this gig imo and may even be holding out for an opportunity like this Would Challinor be able to handle the players that so frustrated Jim, and perhaps may be the undoing of Rusk? The end of his tenure at Fylde show, that if the stars aren’t aligned, he’s not a miracle worker.
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Post by FridoBiggins on Sept 22, 2021 19:52:13 GMT
and moving much closer to home for a better work/life balance. Working for a bigger club with better facilities and more resources with much more potential. Challinor would snap our hands off if he was offered this gig imo and may even be holding out for an opportunity like this Would Challinor be able to handle the players that so frustrated Jim, and perhaps may be the undoing of Rusk? The end of his tenure at Fylde show, that if the stars aren’t aligned, he’s not a miracle worker. I don't think there's a lot to suggest that Challinor is an outstanding manager, as, like most, he's had good and bad times. Most managers have success when they are in the right place at the right time. The stars should have been aligned for Rusk, but for whatever reason he's ballsed it up. I'm now not so sure that there are many managers that could rescue this situation without dismantling the squad.
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Post by ricky on Sept 22, 2021 19:52:59 GMT
No, of course not, but I’d give Challinor chance to fix it, he’s clearly a good manager, gave Jim’s team a pasting, narrowly finished behind Jim’s and Rusk’s team, narrowly beat us in the play off final, got lucky with a red card that should have been, but maybe should have had a pen, narrow margins but did triumph against the rookie PE teacher at second attempt. Simon Rusk got us to the playoff final last season now did he?! Your loyalty to the incumbent manager (even a hypothetical one) is admirable, but there’s no need to overstate his achievements quite so blatantly! As for “PE teacher”, I think you must be confusing me for someone else. I’ve said that some of SR’s post-match interviews smacked of a school sports day ethic because effort was seemingly more important than results, but the tragedy there is that I’m not even sure he’s able to get effort out of much of the team anymore. Certainly not *productive* effort. Ultimately though, I was opposed to attempting to buy promotion because it’s part of everything that’s bad about football these days. But I went along with it as a necessary evil. We’re now in a situation where we’ve *paid for it* but look extremely unlikely *to receive it*, and while you might say it’s not really been paid for because it’s just Mark Stott lending himself his own money, there a real sense of the Golden Tit having been sucked dry (Simon Rusk, if you happen to be reading this: ask Mark McGhee. He’ll explain.) The best I think any of us can hope for is that someone else can do better with the squad we have than the current manager has, because we’ve maxed out the Promotion Credit Card. So you are advocating paying off over two years of Rusk’s salary, and the others who’d have to go, whilst we are still paying off the previous manager? Makes a lot of sense. Why not invest in a number 9 as competition for Quigley, that may just transform the team, and don’t tell me that doesn’t work, look what happened to Jim’s 5 defeats in a row team when Jim signed Rodney and Walker.
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Post by kennypowers on Sept 22, 2021 19:55:22 GMT
and moving much closer to home for a better work/life balance. Working for a bigger club with better facilities and more resources with much more potential. Challinor would snap our hands off if he was offered this gig imo and may even be holding out for an opportunity like this Would Challinor be able to handle the players that so frustrated Jim, and perhaps may be the undoing of Rusk? The end of his tenure at Fylde show, that if the stars aren’t aligned, he’s not a miracle worker. He’s not a novice manager and has achieved success at this level. He played at a high level, a much higher level than Rusk so I think he might be able to handle the egos in the squad. He did well at Fylde year on year until he got sacked. It’s unfair to judge on one poor season when he was there for a long time. He also achieved his biggest success working with a modest budget at a club miles away from his home. Like I say, I’m not a massive fan of his, but he might be one of the better candidates if there were to be a vacancy here. My prefererance would be to achieve success as we are, but i don’t hold much hope of that. Many of the senior players on Saturday have up in the second half, making the current manager’s job untenable. I hope it happens, but I’m not sure how you come back from that
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Post by johnsdentist on Sept 22, 2021 20:05:34 GMT
I lay claim to the PE Teacher jibe and I apologise to all PE teachers because he ain’t good enough to be one of those either . You’ve been sold a right pup all you Rusk devoted followers . Bless you .
What at do you actually see on the pitch ? What do you see in the new acquisitions ? Have you heard the one about Wilson and feeding of the 4000 with the seven loaves ? It’s a complete and utter balls up
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Post by ricky on Sept 22, 2021 20:07:24 GMT
Would Challinor be able to handle the players that so frustrated Jim, and perhaps may be the undoing of Rusk? The end of his tenure at Fylde show, that if the stars aren’t aligned, he’s not a miracle worker. He’s not a novice manager and has achieved success at this level. He played at a high level, a much higher level than Rusk so I think he might be able to handle the egos in the squad. He did well at Fylde year on year until he got sacked. It’s unfair to judge on one poor season when he was there for a long time. He also achieved his biggest success working with a modest budget at a club miles away from his home. Like I say, I’m not a massive fan of his, but he might be one of the better candidates if there were to be a vacancy here. My prefererance would be to achieve success as we are, but i don’t hold much hope of that. Many of the senior players on Saturday have up in the second half, making the current manager’s job untenable. I hope it happens, but I’m not sure how you come back from that I rate him, if the job came up I’d be quite happy to see him in, I’m just not an advocate of sacking managers before they have completed a third of their contract, I used to be a ‘sack the manager!’ type many years ago, until I realised how often that route ended in failure time and again at great cost.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 22, 2021 20:12:49 GMT
Simon Rusk got us to the playoff final last season now did he?! Your loyalty to the incumbent manager (even a hypothetical one) is admirable, but there’s no need to overstate his achievements quite so blatantly! As for “PE teacher”, I think you must be confusing me for someone else. I’ve said that some of SR’s post-match interviews smacked of a school sports day ethic because effort was seemingly more important than results, but the tragedy there is that I’m not even sure he’s able to get effort out of much of the team anymore. Certainly not *productive* effort. Ultimately though, I was opposed to attempting to buy promotion because it’s part of everything that’s bad about football these days. But I went along with it as a necessary evil. We’re now in a situation where we’ve *paid for it* but look extremely unlikely *to receive it*, and while you might say it’s not really been paid for because it’s just Mark Stott lending himself his own money, there a real sense of the Golden Tit having been sucked dry (Simon Rusk, if you happen to be reading this: ask Mark McGhee. He’ll explain.) The best I think any of us can hope for is that someone else can do better with the squad we have than the current manager has, because we’ve maxed out the Promotion Credit Card. So you are advocating paying off over two years of Rusk’s salary, and the others who’d have to go, whilst we are still paying off the previous manager? Makes a lot of sense. Why not invest in a number 9 as competition for Quigley, that may just transform the team, and don’t tell me that doesn’t work, look what happened to Jim’s 5 defeats in a row team when Jim signed Rodney and Walker. I wouldn’t have allowed him to be offered such a long contract in the first place nor would I have allowed such a bloated backroom staff to be amassed, so I think that’s something of a moot point. However you don’t put off going the the dentist about your abscess just because it’s going to cost money to get it sorted. As for “why not invest in a no. 9?”, why not indeed? I’m guessing the cupboard really is bare. The trouble is, because of our desperation to buy promotion we have a million-pound debt to Sport England that needs paying no matter how generous Stott is feeling about the terms of his loans. I don’t know how what Rusk’s payment in lieu would work out as, but it has to be offset against the £100k or so we’ll need to pay down against the SE loan “sans TV money” at some point fairly soon if we don’t go up. Which looks eminently plausible right now.
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Post by ricky on Sept 22, 2021 20:29:43 GMT
So you are advocating paying off over two years of Rusk’s salary, and the others who’d have to go, whilst we are still paying off the previous manager? Makes a lot of sense. Why not invest in a number 9 as competition for Quigley, that may just transform the team, and don’t tell me that doesn’t work, look what happened to Jim’s 5 defeats in a row team when Jim signed Rodney and Walker. I wouldn’t have allowed him to be offered such a long contract in the first place nor would I have allowed such a bloated backroom staff to be amassed, so I think that’s something of a moot point. However you don’t put off going the the dentist about your abscess just because it’s going to cost money to get it sorted. As for “why not invest in a no. 9?”, why not indeed? I’m guessing the cupboard really is bare. The trouble is, because of our desperation to buy promotion we have a million-pound debt to Sport England that needs paying no matter how generous Stott is feeling about the terms of his loans. I don’t know how what Rusk’s payment in lieu would work out as, but it has to be offset against the £100k or so we’ll need to pay down against the SE loan “sans TV money” at some point fairly soon if we don’t go up. Which looks eminently plausible right now. We’d have signed Cardwell if he hadn’t got injured, there was another second signing we were close to completing too, so I don’t think the tap has been turned off.
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Post by razimmerman on Sept 22, 2021 20:32:46 GMT
I wouldn’t have allowed him to be offered such a long contract in the first place nor would I have allowed such a bloated backroom staff to be amassed, so I think that’s something of a moot point. However you don’t put off going the the dentist about your abscess just because it’s going to cost money to get it sorted. As for “why not invest in a no. 9?”, why not indeed? I’m guessing the cupboard really is bare. The trouble is, because of our desperation to buy promotion we have a million-pound debt to Sport England that needs paying no matter how generous Stott is feeling about the terms of his loans. I don’t know how what Rusk’s payment in lieu would work out as, but it has to be offset against the £100k or so we’ll need to pay down against the SE loan “sans TV money” at some point fairly soon if we don’t go up. Which looks eminently plausible right now. We’d have signed Cardwell if he hadn’t got injured, there was another second signing we were close to completing too, so I don’t think the tap has been turned off. Doesn't that speak to a confused and short termist recruitment policy? We don't sign a player because he's out for a month? Surely if he's good enough so sign then he's good enough to sign even if he misses a couple of games. Sounds like panic has set in.
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Post by ricky on Sept 22, 2021 20:39:46 GMT
We’d have signed Cardwell if he hadn’t got injured, there was another second signing we were close to completing too, so I don’t think the tap has been turned off. Doesn't that speak to a confused and short termist recruitment policy? We don't sign a player because he's out for a month? Surely if he's good enough so sign then he's good enough to sign even if he misses a couple of games. Sounds like panic has set in. The suggestion has been that a deal will be resurrected when he’s fit, imagine the furore if we signed an injured striker to cover for an injured striker. All of this depends on what happens over the next week or so.
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Post by FridoBiggins on Sept 23, 2021 8:36:22 GMT
I lay claim to the PE Teacher jibe and I apologise to all PE teachers because he ain’t good enough to be one of those either . You’ve been sold a right pup all you Rusk devoted followers . Bless you . What at do you actually see on the pitch ? What do you see in the new acquisitions ? Have you heard the one about Wilson and feeding of the 4000 with the seven loaves ? It’s a complete and utter balls up Many of the acquisitions have worried me from day 1. I'm talking about players, rather than backroom staff, which is another story in it's own right.
I know money talks to an extent, but did anyone else ever wonder why teams allowed players such as Hogan, Madden, Rooney, Quigley and Barclay to leave, if they were such great players? Could it be that some of these were on a downward trajectory and/or trouble? Have we ended up, at a worringly high cost, with players who are not as good as we thought they were?
I think a new manager is inevitable and incredibly, given what we've spent, he'll be faced with a rebuilding job.
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Post by alkringtonhatter on Sept 23, 2021 8:44:44 GMT
I think a new manager is inevitable and incredibly, given what we've spent, he'll be faced with a rebuilding job. [/div][/quote] Hogan is out of contract after this season, isn’t he? Signed 2.5 years midway through the first season in NL. Which, to my mind means there’s no need to bend over backwards to accommodate him if he’s playing badly. I don’t think there’s a rebuilding job as such, the players are there, I refuse to believe someone like Barclay, who Accrington wanted to keep for L1, has become terrible overnight. They just need organising correctly.
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Post by Nik on Sept 23, 2021 8:48:24 GMT
Hogan is out of contract after this season, isn’t he? Signed 2.5 years midway through the first season in NL. Which, to my mind means there’s no need to bend over backwards to accommodate him if he’s playing badly. Yeah you're right. Don't recall him signing any extensions either.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 23, 2021 8:48:58 GMT
So you are advocating paying off over two years of Rusk’s salary, and the others who’d have to go, whilst we are still paying off the previous manager? Makes a lot of sense. Why not invest in a number 9 as competition for Quigley, that may just transform the team, and don’t tell me that doesn’t work, look what happened to Jim’s 5 defeats in a row team when Jim signed Rodney and Walker. If my some miracle quigley is fully fit for saturday or we bring in an equal to him before the game does anyone really think that it would be a game or season starter. There is no guarentee anyone could put away the couple of real chances we create in games and cannot see our style changing.
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