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Post by geordiehatter on Sept 19, 2021 22:33:57 GMT
OK so I've been thinking about this on and off since full-time yesterday.. also had the chance to talk to quite a few County fans on the journey home (great to put a name properly to a face by the way Suede, both before and after game when we bumped into each other!). Also have read everything on here, and completely understand (and share) the frustration and disillusionment that sees 95% saying Rusk should go, and go now.
I'm going to stick my neck out though and say that vote number three for the 'stick' option up there is from me. Not because 'he's a nice bloke' (although he's clearly a man with integrity and professional pride- the one poster who said he's trying to get the sack/ a payoff was being disrespectful and wide of the mark there). But because..
.. Firstly I think Rusk is correct to identify the fundamental problem in his post match interview. What I'm seeing isn't a team without a plan (formation, selection, style) unsuitable to the task of winning the match. What I'm seeing is a team with a viable plan, but then when there is a setback (yesterday and on other occasions it was the opening goal, against Hartlepool it was Madden's miss) then the confidence just visibly drains out of them. It sounds like Rusk doesn't know why that's happening.. unsurprising as they're clearly very talented footballers for this level and I've got no reason to disbelieve him when he says they produce the desired level (of quality, intensity, pace) on the training ground. But that's confidence for you. A precious commodity that can desert you in an instant, even more so in a pressured environment, and here the loss of it has spread through this group of fallible human beings like wildfire. Do I know that is the fault of the present manager? Do I believe the solution is as simple as sacking and replacing him? No, and no. Do I believe that the precious commodity can come back in an instant, just as miraculously as it was lost? Yes.
2.. Rusk is also right to state too many players -confidence issues notwithstanding- are showing a lack of character. The lack of leadership on the pitch second half yesterday was appalling. Not just from the Captain (although he clearly needs to start captaining, not just wearing the armband). From the senior players collectively. They now need to step up (and yes, it is Rusk's responsibility this week to make this very clear to them). Too many are hiding when things get tough.
3.. I agree with what some posters have said/alluded to.. that changing the coach doesn't necessarily make much difference unless the coach is allowed to get on with his job. Right now it looks to me like the coach is being hindered not helped by a D o F who seems intent on proving his own worth by throwing the owner's money at the squad and generally getting too involved in the day to day management. In other words (making an educated guess here) the same dynamic that meant him and Jim couldn't work together. So there's a call for the owner here. It sounds like showing Wilson the door is out of the question. A rebalancing of the boundaries between his role and that of the head coach should not be. And such a call could help with number two- Ie the coach's task of holding the senior players to account ref character.
In summary.. I said after Yeovil that Rusk should be given time. I still think we're in that time. And I don't think 'Rusk or not' is in any case the right question to be asking about what's wrong with our club right now. So I'm voting.. stick.
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Post by DaveLong79 on Sept 19, 2021 22:41:22 GMT
A complete unwillingness to change his style and tactics makes this a resounding yes for me. The alarm bells were ringing well before the end of last season, but the unbeaten run, padded out with numerous draws from very winnable games, papered over it somewhat. We've become so lifeless and turgid. Wilson should be out of the door too. Sadly Rusk is the one who will get the majority of the stick for turning the team into an unimaginable farce.
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Post by leicesterhatter on Sept 20, 2021 5:10:04 GMT
Yes but Wilson has to go too or it will all be irrelevant. Correct. Rusk is the tip of the iceberg. Wilson and Stott don't want a strong manager around the club so it will be another appointment with no track record of success rather than a manager who'd be demanding behind the scenes. I hope you're missing the word 'if' from that...
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Post by tgttiw on Sept 20, 2021 5:34:22 GMT
A complete unwillingness to change his style and tactics makes this a resounding yes for me. The alarm bells were ringing well before the end of last season, but the unbeaten run, padded out with numerous draws from very winnable games, papered over it somewhat. We've become so lifeless and turgid. Wilson should be out of the door too. Sadly Rusk is the one who will get the majority of the stick for turning the team into an unimaginable farce. A strong manager will put Wilson in his place. Ironically that's a lot more likely to happen now rusk has done such a poor job. If he gets rid of the next manager for cultural reasons as he won't do what Wilson says its not going to wash. Also with our poor start any manager who comes in isn't expected to win the league.
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Post by houldsworthhatter on Sept 20, 2021 5:36:09 GMT
OK so I've been thinking about this on and off since full-time yesterday.. also had the chance to talk to quite a few County fans on the journey home (great to put a name properly to a face by the way Suede, both before and after game when we bumped into each other!). Also have read everything on here, and completely understand (and share) the frustration and disillusionment that sees 95% saying Rusk should go, and go now. I'm going to stick my neck out though and say that vote number three for the 'stick' option up there is from me. Not because 'he's a nice bloke' (although he's clearly a man with integrity and professional pride- the one poster who said he's trying to get the sack/ a payoff was being disrespectful and wide of the mark there). But because.. .. Firstly I think Rusk is correct to identify the fundamental problem in his post match interview. What I'm seeing isn't a team without a plan (formation, selection, style) unsuitable to the task of winning the match. What I'm seeing is a team with a viable plan, but then when there is a setback (yesterday and on other occasions it was the opening goal, against Hartlepool it was Madden's miss) then the confidence just visibly drains out of them. It sounds like Rusk doesn't know why that's happening.. unsurprising as they're clearly very talented footballers for this level and I've got no reason to disbelieve him when he says they produce the desired level (of quality, intensity, pace) on the training ground. But that's confidence for you. A precious commodity that can desert you in an instant, even more so in a pressured environment, and here the loss of it has spread through this group of fallible human beings like wildfire. Do I know that is the fault of the present manager? Do I believe the solution is as simple as sacking and replacing him? No, and no. Do I believe that the precious commodity can come back in an instant, just as miraculously as it was lost? Yes. 2.. Rusk is also right to state too many players -confidence issues notwithstanding- are showing a lack of character. The lack of leadership on the pitch second half yesterday was appalling. Not just from the Captain (although he clearly needs to start captaining, not just wearing the armband). From the senior players collectively. They now need to step up (and yes, it is Rusk's responsibility this week to make this very clear to them). Too many are hiding when things get tough. 3.. I agree with what some posters have said/alluded to.. that changing the coach doesn't necessarily make much difference unless the coach is allowed to get on with his job. Right now it looks to me like the coach is being hindered not helped by a D o F who seems intent on proving his own worth by throwing the owner's money at the squad and generally getting too involved in the day to day management. In other words (making an educated guess here) the same dynamic that meant him and Jim couldn't work together. So there's a call for the owner here. It sounds like showing Wilson the door is out of the question. A rebalancing of the boundaries between his role and that of the head coach should not be. And such a call could help with number two- Ie the coach's task of holding the senior players to account ref character. In summary.. I said after Yeovil that Rusk should be given time. I still think we're in that time. And I don't think 'Rusk or not' is in any case the right question to be asking about what's wrong with our club right now. So I'm voting.. stick. I strongly disagree. These players have been there and done it at other clubs at this level and higher - they were obviously not just losing confidence and lacking motivation then and fought their way through. They know once they go behind and are having to play slowly and backwards, hoofing it long to one of the smallest players on the pitch that they won’t get back in to it. You can see how Rusk affects them by looking at our entire squad. They’re all worse players now than they were when he arrived. There’s a managerial issue and probably more than one! As for SW, it’s all speculation about how involved he is in the actual first team and match day because people just don’t like him. Get Rusk out and get him out today.
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Post by oakwoodbank on Sept 20, 2021 11:53:27 GMT
Yes but Wilson has to go too or it will all be irrelevant. Correct. Rusk is the tip of the iceberg. Wilson and Stott don't want a strong manager around the club so it will be another appointment with no track record of success rather than a manager who'd be demanding behind the scenes. 3.. I agree with what some posters have said/alluded to.. that changing the coach doesn't necessarily make much difference unless the coach is allowed to get on with his job. Right now it looks to me like the coach is being hindered not helped by a D o F who seems intent on proving his own worth by throwing the owner's money at the squad and generally getting too involved in the day to day management. ... So there's a call for the owner here. It sounds like showing Wilson the door is out of the question. ---------------------------------- You may be right about Wilson staying or going. The whole process of Stott's takeover seems to have been predicated by the plan that Wilson has put forward and which included employing Rusk as coach/manager. Take away both people and Stott is then left rudderless and he would need to rebuild the whole system from scratch. Has he got the courage to do that? Does he have any idea of whom he might employ to take Wilson's place? Is there one person available who would fill the gap left by both Wilson & Rusk leaving? If there is, another question pops up; would this person be happy with all the backroom staff that have been employed since Wilson arrived? If there was a positive outcome for that administrative side this new person would then be in charge of organising the present squad to reach Stott's goal in terms of promotion. So, as the saying goes; be careful what you wish for. "Couldn't wait to ride out of that one horse town Didn't see no use in sticking around ... But sometimes things ain't what you think they're gonna be What you want ain't always what you need Don't know what you got 'til it's gone and you're out on your own All you want is what you can't get back Once you let it go, then you know what you have Don't hold a candle to what you had Sometimes what you think you'll find It ain't quite what real life has in store So be careful what you wish for." .
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Post by countyblueforever on Sept 20, 2021 12:04:50 GMT
We haven’t a chance of reaching Championship football in six years. Target was set in 2020. Cannot see us achieving that target now Jim has left. We need a good motivator first.
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Post by Andy on Sept 20, 2021 12:07:46 GMT
I was all for giving him time but I'm not seeing anything to suggest he's the right man to take us where we need to be, which is challenging at the top of the league. Rightly or wrongly he was never going to be gifted time to get over a bad patch (which is what this might be) due to who he replaced and the circumstances surrounding it. That wasn't his fault, but he's not daft enough to know the additional pressure he was under.
We need to move on and get in a manager who is able to work with a DOF. It's just a matter of managing up as well as down and knowing how to play the game. Rusk is clearly too new to know how to do that so just doesn't rock the boat with regards to tactics or recruitment. Whatever you think of Wilson, we do have the squad capable of getting out of this league and I wouldn't say our transfer policy has been a disaster. We may be suffering from some overpaid superstars who think they're better than they perhaps are, but again, a strong manager who knows what he wants from his players will be able to get those players playing at the required level, or get them out.
Ultimately I don't see the logic in Wilson keeping Rusk in place. It's in his own interests to get a manager in who can do the business. Would we be talking about Wilson if we were top of the league and flying? probably not.
I'd let him go now, get someone in before Saturday, or if not, at least rely on the caretaker bounce and a big crowd to see if we can get through the game without getting leathered.
Looking at the fixtures beyond Saturday we're in a great position to get someone in, take the bounce from that change and run through the next 10 fixtures with potentially winning them all. other than Notts away we're coming in to a run of very mediocre teams. The issue is that maybe Wilson is hoping it's Rusk who can take us on that run, but he's putting it all on being able to win on Saturday, which I think right now is never going to happen. The toxicity of the crowd reaction if we lose badly on Saturday is enough of a reason to fire Rusk now.
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Post by oakwoodbank on Sept 20, 2021 12:26:05 GMT
I was all for giving him time but I'm not seeing anything to suggest he's the right man to take us where we need to be, which is challenging at the top of the league. Rightly or wrongly he was never going to be gifted time to get over a bad patch (which is what this might be) due to who he replaced and the circumstances surrounding it. That wasn't his fault, but he's not daft enough to know the additional pressure he was under. We need to move on and get in a manager who is able to work with a DOF. It's just a matter of managing up as well as down and knowing how to play the game. Rusk is clearly too new to know how to do that so just doesn't rock the boat with regards to tactics or recruitment. Whatever you think of Wilson, we do have the squad capable of getting out of this league and I wouldn't say our transfer policy has been a disaster. We may be suffering from some overpaid superstars who think they're better than they perhaps are, but again, a strong manager who knows what he wants from his players will be able to get those players playing at the required level, or get them out. Ultimately I don't see the logic in Wilson keeping Rusk in place. It's in his own interests to get a manager in who can do the business. Would we be talking about Wilson if we were top of the league and flying? probably not. I'd let him go now, get someone in before Saturday, or if not, at least rely on the caretaker bounce and a big crowd to see if we can get through the game without getting leathered. Looking at the fixtures beyond Saturday we're in a great position to get someone in, take the bounce from that change and run through the next 10 fixtures with potentially winning them all. other than Notts away we're coming in to a run of very mediocre teams. The issue is that maybe Wilson is hoping it's Rusk who can take us on that run, but he's putting it all on being able to win on Saturday, which I think right now is never going to happen. The toxicity of the crowd reaction if we lose badly on Saturday is enough of a reason to fire Rusk now. I agree with most of that. The problem I foresee is that Wilson may have reservations about losing the person who many want to see the back of. His connections there are probably of more significance to him than those that might follow a new face who had no previous connections with him. I do not know who would be responsible for choosing a replacement but if it is Wilson, then how could we avoid going from the fat into the fire?
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Post by Andy on Sept 20, 2021 12:35:39 GMT
I was all for giving him time but I'm not seeing anything to suggest he's the right man to take us where we need to be, which is challenging at the top of the league. Rightly or wrongly he was never going to be gifted time to get over a bad patch (which is what this might be) due to who he replaced and the circumstances surrounding it. That wasn't his fault, but he's not daft enough to know the additional pressure he was under. We need to move on and get in a manager who is able to work with a DOF. It's just a matter of managing up as well as down and knowing how to play the game. Rusk is clearly too new to know how to do that so just doesn't rock the boat with regards to tactics or recruitment. Whatever you think of Wilson, we do have the squad capable of getting out of this league and I wouldn't say our transfer policy has been a disaster. We may be suffering from some overpaid superstars who think they're better than they perhaps are, but again, a strong manager who knows what he wants from his players will be able to get those players playing at the required level, or get them out. Ultimately I don't see the logic in Wilson keeping Rusk in place. It's in his own interests to get a manager in who can do the business. Would we be talking about Wilson if we were top of the league and flying? probably not. I'd let him go now, get someone in before Saturday, or if not, at least rely on the caretaker bounce and a big crowd to see if we can get through the game without getting leathered. Looking at the fixtures beyond Saturday we're in a great position to get someone in, take the bounce from that change and run through the next 10 fixtures with potentially winning them all. other than Notts away we're coming in to a run of very mediocre teams. The issue is that maybe Wilson is hoping it's Rusk who can take us on that run, but he's putting it all on being able to win on Saturday, which I think right now is never going to happen. The toxicity of the crowd reaction if we lose badly on Saturday is enough of a reason to fire Rusk now. I agree with most of that. The problem I foresee is that Wilson may have reservations about losing the person who many want to see the back of. His connections there are probably of more significance to him than those that might follow a new face who had no previous connections with him. I do not know who would be responsible for choosing a replacement but if it is Wilson, then how could we avoid going from the fat into the fire? That's true, it's a concern that Wilson will make the decision on the new manager as he was presumably the one who wanted Rusk. However, this is where we have to hope that the self preservation factor kicks in and he doesn't just pick someone who he thinks he can control, because that just leads to Rusk v2. Hopefully he's now on a shorter leash from Stott who will be demanding better (I'd hope) so hopefully Wilson has to put his ego to one side and get someone in who may push back on him a little, but also get's results. Wilson isn't going to continue to be immune to the sack in all of this if he can't hire someone who can get results.
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Post by oakwoodbank on Sept 20, 2021 15:55:59 GMT
" Wilson isn't going to continue to be immune to the sack in all of this if he can't hire someone who can get results."
I do hope that you are right. But of course they must be winning results!
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Post by didsburyhatter on Sept 20, 2021 16:00:20 GMT
Yep. He's done for me.
With the resources he has and the infrastructure of the club, I'd argue that Rusk is possibly the worst manager we've ever had.
New manager needs bringing in and possibly with a restricted budget so we can actually workout what we have and how we can use it.
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Post by geordiehatter on Sept 20, 2021 17:53:46 GMT
Yep. He's done for me. With the resources he has and the infrastructure of the club, I'd argue that Rusk is possibly the worst manager we've ever had. New manager needs bringing in and possibly with a restricted budget so we can actually workout what we have and how we can use it. On the 'worst manager ever' part I'm not so sure.. there are some notable contenders for that accolade as we all know. I can think of at least two who are unanimously judged to have been abject failures in the role. On the 'restricted budget' part.. yes, agree there completely. The squad is surely big enough and quality enough to compete at the top of this league. I'm not sure the present coach/the present squad is being helped by what seems like a neverending conveyor belt of recruitment. That can't be ideal in terms of building a team/team spirit. If a new man comes in his brief needs to be to work with what he's got.. or at least have a serious go at that until it is properly established which parts of the jigsaw (if any) are missing.
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Post by didsburyhatter on Sept 20, 2021 17:57:25 GMT
Yep. He's done for me. With the resources he has and the infrastructure of the club, I'd argue that Rusk is possibly the worst manager we've ever had. New manager needs bringing in and possibly with a restricted budget so we can actually workout what we have and how we can use it. On the 'worst manager ever' part I'm not so sure.. there are some notable contenders for that accolade as we all know. I can think of at least two who are unanimously judged to have been abject failures in the role. On the 'restricted budget' part.. yes, agree there completely. The squad is surely big enough and quality enough to compete at the top of this league. I'm not sure the present coach/the present squad is being helped by what seems like a neverending conveyor belt of recruitment. That can't be ideal in terms of building a team/team spirit. If a new man comes in his brief needs to be to work with what he's got.. or at least have a serious go at that until it is properly established which parts of the jigsaw (if any) are missing. We've had some shockers over the years, but Simon Rusk is currently the manager of a team who, outside outside EPL, is probably one of the wealthiest and can even attract player's to join us on a permanent basis from two divisions above! Some of the others we've had in the category of bad managers have had nowhere near the resources he's had - Turner, Ablett, Simpson and so on... That for me makes him the worst in my eyes.
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Post by tgttiw on Sept 20, 2021 17:59:40 GMT
On the 'worst manager ever' part I'm not so sure.. there are some notable contenders for that accolade as we all know. I can think of at least two who are unanimously judged to have been abject failures in the role. On the 'restricted budget' part.. yes, agree there completely. The squad is surely big enough and quality enough to compete at the top of this league. I'm not sure the present coach/the present squad is being helped by what seems like a neverending conveyor belt of recruitment. That can't be ideal in terms of building a team/team spirit. If a new man comes in his brief needs to be to work with what he's got.. or at least have a serious go at that until it is properly established which parts of the jigsaw (if any) are missing. We've had some shockers over the years, but Simon Rusk is currently the manager of a team who, outside outside EPL, is probably one of the wealthiest and can even attract player's to join us on a permanent basis from two divisions above! Some of the others we've had in the category of bad managers have had nowhere near the resources he's had - Turner, Ablett, Simpson and so on... That for me makes him the worst in my eyes. Ablett did well until John ward left, unfortunately that was early on.
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