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Post by Nik on May 17, 2022 16:12:06 GMT
I heard on Saturday that he'll be let go and paid up. Source being Some Guy™️ on Edgeley who claims to have seen the retained list, which also included Hogan and Palmer being released. Probably bollocks but maybe not. It'd be sad to see any of the four go before getting a chance on League Two, even as a bit-part player. Seen the retained list …classic rumour. Maybe Dave dropped it in the Albert on Sunday night?
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Post by wnm on May 17, 2022 16:18:05 GMT
I agree with lots of your thoughts but the above ends up being a whole new XI. That's too much change for me from a promotion winning side with momentum. Why move on Minihan when he's a County legend, covers RCB/RB/RWB, is settled and affordable and we already have a clear first choice RWB which he's happy being back-up too. I agree he has some limitations attacking-wise but then you either switch to a back 4 when MSH is out or have a more attacking option available like Crankshaw or Newby. Im not averse to them seeing out contracts if happy to at all certainly in Minihan case for reasons mentioned by yourself but as I say best interests for players long term may come into equation, also with it looking like there being squad limits next season do we carry players that probably arent quite at level needed or suit DC style It's also DC chance to shape his own team with his first preseason he's shown to Stott he's worth investing in and the club wants to move on at a pace so I can see there being a fairly big overhaul with DC now able get his own players in and more players being available than during season Don't underestimate Stotts ambition to want to go big again this pre-season, we still have nucleus of a first XI here and contracted so you'd probably say at least 7-8 of our best XI will be close to remaining 1st team regulars next season then had in a few marquee signings and other signings brought in to offer competition that DC wants and built to suit his style I’ve still not seen any proper confirmation of these squad limits but I’d suggest versatile players who generally keep themselves fit are the exactly what you want to carry if that is the case. Also you might get yourself a slight upgrade on Sam as back up RWB on the pitch for a bigger wage but is that worth what you’re losing in the dressing room? If it wasn’t for Newby spell at RWB in the closing weeks I’d have probably said let him go but that extra string to his bow has made me change my mind. If there is a squad limit then an injury prone winger like Whitfield who doesn’t fit into our chosen formation is much more likely depart. I’m not against a mini overhaul at all and I’m thinking if we want to get promotion again then a Goalkeeper, 3 x CB, 2 midfielders, 2 strikers (3 if Quigley goes) is what we need.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on May 17, 2022 16:19:22 GMT
I agree with lots of your thoughts but the above ends up being a whole new XI. That's too much change for me from a promotion winning side with momentum. Why move on Minihan when he's a County legend, covers RCB/RB/RWB, is settled and affordable and we already have a clear first choice RWB which he's happy being back-up too. I agree he has some limitations attacking-wise but then you either switch to a back 4 when MSH is out or have a more attacking option available like Crankshaw or Newby. It's also DC chance to shape his own team with his first preseason he's shown to Stott he's worth investing in and the club wants to move on at a pace so I can see there being a fairly big overhaul with DC now able get his own players in and more players being available than during season Don't underestimate Stotts ambition to want to go big again this pre-season, we still have nucleus of a first XI here and contracted so you'd probably say at least 7-8 of our best XI will be close to remaining 1st team regulars next season then had in a few marquee signings and other signings brought in to offer competition that DC wants and built to suit his style Those are good points to be fair, especially with transfer windows now applying. I guess we'll see but for me the wide CBs and a strike partner for Madden are the only obvious upgrades we need that I would expect to slot straight into the XI, though we obviously need depth alongside that and not playing 3-4-1-2 regularly would also necessitate more changes.
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Post by mattyovrio on May 17, 2022 16:22:46 GMT
In terms of reinforcements, another backup GK be it loan or whatever needed, right and left side CB's as a minimum that can play and more mobile, another energetic midfielder or two if we dont yet see C.Johnson as being ready, Powerful, tall goalscorer and another option to challenge Madden, a utility attacker that can cover no 10 and play down sides, a right wingback certainly and maybe a left wingback (though we do have Hippo and Rydel there but depends where see Hippo best position) SO reckon around 7-8 maybe on their way in at least I'd also try and bring age profile down a touch and look for some proven players with potential in mid 20s that can have some resale value too I agree with lots of your thoughts but the above ends up being a whole new XI. That's too much change for me from a promotion winning side with momentum. Why move on Minihan when he's a County legend, covers RCB/RB/RWB, is settled and affordable (there's a wage cap to think about now) and we already have a clear first choice RWB which he's happy being back-up to. I agree he has some limitations attacking-wise but then you either switch to a back 4 when MSH is out or have a more attacking option available like Crankshaw or Newby. I would keep Sam too. There is no guarantee that Chally will stick with a back 3 next season. He sort of inherited that. I thought he was more of a 4-3-3 man? Time will tell. Either way, I would keep Sam as he is versatile and steady. Quite often when thinking about Newby, ‘flatters to deceive’ comes to mind. He looks busy, but not much end product. Think Chally said this, but he might keep him on to see if he can add assists and goals next season. however, if we have a limit as to how many 20+ year olds we can have, we won’t be able to carry any players we are taking a punt on. Versatile players like Keane and Hyppolite will be worth their weight in gold! Would love to sign Tshimanga if he recovers well from his injury. We need a couple of strikers in. That lad from Yeovil looked useful too.
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Post by wirralhatter93 on May 17, 2022 16:22:54 GMT
Get Collar signed on a 2 year extension asap
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on May 17, 2022 16:26:41 GMT
Im not averse to them seeing out contracts if happy to at all certainly in Minihan case for reasons mentioned by yourself but as I say best interests for players long term may come into equation, also with it looking like there being squad limits next season do we carry players that probably arent quite at level needed or suit DC style It's also DC chance to shape his own team with his first preseason he's shown to Stott he's worth investing in and the club wants to move on at a pace so I can see there being a fairly big overhaul with DC now able get his own players in and more players being available than during season Don't underestimate Stotts ambition to want to go big again this pre-season, we still have nucleus of a first XI here and contracted so you'd probably say at least 7-8 of our best XI will be close to remaining 1st team regulars next season then had in a few marquee signings and other signings brought in to offer competition that DC wants and built to suit his style I’ve still not seen any proper confirmation of these squad limits but I’d suggest versatile players who generally keep themselves fit are the exactly what you want to carry if that is the case. Also you might get yourself a slight upgrade on Sam as back up RWB on the pitch for a bigger wage but is that worth what you’re losing in the dressing room? If it wasn’t for Newby spell at RWB in the closing weeks I’d have probably said let him go but that extra string to his bow has made me change my mind. If there is a squad limit then an injury prone winger like Whitfield who doesn’t fit into our chosen formation is much more likely depart. I’m not against a mini overhaul at all and I’m thinking if we want to get promotion again then a Goalkeeper, 3 x CB, 2 midfielders, 2 strikers (3 if Quigley goes) is what we need. Wage is also a factor now too. I understand we're limited to 55% of turnover which could be a much more significant limit than squad size unless we've got some City-esque sponsorship deals planned... That's why I'd concentrate on improving the first XI and plugging gaps in the squad before moving on contracted players than can fill a squad role and are settled, reliable and ''cheap''. As above, if the squad limit is 21/22 outfield players plus GKs and u21s I can't see that being a concern for us or something we need to factor in that much when building a squad. That's about right for me as is.
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Post by wnm on May 17, 2022 16:26:56 GMT
I agree with lots of your thoughts but the above ends up being a whole new XI. That's too much change for me from a promotion winning side with momentum. Why move on Minihan when he's a County legend, covers RCB/RB/RWB, is settled and affordable (there's a wage cap to think about now) and we already have a clear first choice RWB which he's happy being back-up to. I agree he has some limitations attacking-wise but then you either switch to a back 4 when MSH is out or have a more attacking option available like Crankshaw or Newby. I would keep Sam too. There is no guarantee that Chally will stick with a back 3 next season. He sort of inherited that. I thought he was more of a 4-3-3 man? Time will tell. Either way, I would keep Sam as he is versatile and steady. Quite often when thinking about Newby, ‘flatters to deceive’ comes to mind. He looks busy, but not much end product. Think Chally said this, but he might keep him on to see if he can add assists and goals next season. however, if we have a limit as to how many 20+ year olds we can have, we won’t be able to carry any players we are taking a punt on. Versatile players like Keane and Hyppolite will be worth their weight in gold! Would love to sign Tshimanga if he recovers well from his injury. We need a couple of strikers in. That lad from Yeovil looked useful too. He was at Fylde but he won promotion with Hartlepool with the 3412 and continued to use it in League Two I believe. I also think having a presence alongside Paddy let’s us switch between playing short and long and generally gets the best out of him.
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Post by desmond on May 17, 2022 16:30:16 GMT
I agree with lots of your thoughts but the above ends up being a whole new XI. That's too much change for me from a promotion winning side with momentum. Why move on Minihan when he's a County legend, covers RCB/RB/RWB, is settled and affordable (there's a wage cap to think about now) and we already have a clear first choice RWB which he's happy being back-up to. I agree he has some limitations attacking-wise but then you either switch to a back 4 when MSH is out or have a more attacking option available like Crankshaw or Newby. I would keep Sam too. There is no guarantee that Chally will stick with a back 3 next season. He sort of inherited that. I thought he was more of a 4-3-3 man? Time will tell. Either way, I would keep Sam as he is versatile and steady. Quite often when thinking about Newby, ‘flatters to deceive’ comes to mind. He looks busy, but not much end product. Think Chally said this, but he might keep him on to see if he can add assists and goals next season. however, if we have a limit as to how many 20+ year olds we can have, we won’t be able to carry any players we are taking a punt on. Versatile players like Keane and Hyppolite will be worth their weight in gold! Would love to sign Tshimanga if he recovers well from his injury. We need a couple of strikers in. That lad from Yeovil looked useful too. Unfortunately we’re he to be an option/target idoubt Tshimanga will have played enough minutes to prove his fitness before we need to secure new players.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 16:32:50 GMT
I can see something like this as our preferred starting team next season Hinchliffe MSH NEW NEW Johnson Rydel NEW Sarcevic Collar NEW Madden Maybe Crankshaw for Johnson if we go more like 4-3-3 What no Croasdale?
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on May 17, 2022 16:34:25 GMT
I would keep Sam too. There is no guarantee that Chally will stick with a back 3 next season. He sort of inherited that. I thought he was more of a 4-3-3 man? Time will tell. Either way, I would keep Sam as he is versatile and steady. Quite often when thinking about Newby, ‘flatters to deceive’ comes to mind. He looks busy, but not much end product. Think Chally said this, but he might keep him on to see if he can add assists and goals next season. however, if we have a limit as to how many 20+ year olds we can have, we won’t be able to carry any players we are taking a punt on. Versatile players like Keane and Hyppolite will be worth their weight in gold! Would love to sign Tshimanga if he recovers well from his injury. We need a couple of strikers in. That lad from Yeovil looked useful too. He was at Fylde but he won promotion with Hartlepool with the 3412 and continued to use it in League Two I believe. I also think having a presence alongside Paddy let’s us switch between playing short and long and generally gets the best out of him. I agree though I did like us playing 3-4-2-1, dominating the midfield and controlling games. It made our press even more effective and played to our strengths. That said, it's heavily reliant on those 2 attacking mids getting forward when Paddy drops deep and if we can't get Cannon or similar probably isn't the best use of the squad.
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Post by wnm on May 17, 2022 16:50:13 GMT
He was at Fylde but he won promotion with Hartlepool with the 3412 and continued to use it in League Two I believe. I also think having a presence alongside Paddy let’s us switch between playing short and long and generally gets the best out of him. I agree though I did like us playing 3-4-2-1, dominating the midfield and controlling games. It made our press even more effective and played to our strengths. That said, it's heavily reliant on those 2 attacking mids getting forward when Paddy drops deep and if we can't get Cannon or similar probably isn't the best use of the squad. I’d also suggest it worked very well in two home games where the opposition sat deep and we had a huge share of possession or territory. In the longer term against better opposition in the league above , who might come at us more and play a higher line I think the huge lack of pace that a front three of Sarcevic, Collar and Madden combined would have would see us real struggle to score goals especially away from home.
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Post by mattyovrio on May 17, 2022 18:03:06 GMT
I agree though I did like us playing 3-4-2-1, dominating the midfield and controlling games. It made our press even more effective and played to our strengths. That said, it's heavily reliant on those 2 attacking mids getting forward when Paddy drops deep and if we can't get Cannon or similar probably isn't the best use of the squad. I’d also suggest it worked very well in two home games where the opposition sat deep and we had a huge share of possession or territory. In the longer term against better opposition in the league above , who might come at us more and play a higher line I think the huge lack of pace that a front three of Sarcevic, Collar and Madden combined would have would see us real struggle to score goals especially away from home. I fully agree we need more pace around the pitch.
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Post by sk5countyfan on May 17, 2022 18:53:18 GMT
I can see something like this as our preferred starting team next season Hinchliffe MSH NEW NEW Johnson Rydel NEW Sarcevic Collar NEW Madden Maybe Crankshaw for Johnson if we go more like 4-3-3 Croasdale one of the first names on the team sheet for the start of next season .that midfield three more than good enough for league football I'd keep ZFA instead of Johnson as well
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Post by timberwolf on May 18, 2022 11:38:38 GMT
I’d also suggest it worked very well in two home games where the opposition sat deep and we had a huge share of possession or territory. In the longer term against better opposition in the league above , who might come at us more and play a higher line I think the huge lack of pace that a front three of Sarcevic, Collar and Madden combined would have would see us real struggle to score goals especially away from home. Do not expect too much from div.2 sides if they were like the ones last season. What i saw was that they,ll be more like boreham wood than torquay or halifax and no better.
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Post by Andy on May 18, 2022 11:41:41 GMT
I can see something like this as our preferred starting team next season Hinchliffe MSH NEW NEW Johnson Rydel NEW Sarcevic Collar NEW Madden Maybe Crankshaw for Johnson if we go more like 4-3-3 No Croasdale? 😂 a pint of whatever you've had, please!
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