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Post by hedleyverity on Mar 27, 2022 8:19:55 GMT
I suggest his decline was the result of the big bash cricket and England players in general have not really been able to shine at both levels. BB cricket is not the cricket that I witnessed as a boy; with Lennard Hutton and Cyril Washbrook opening, followed by Denis Compton and Bill Edrich at 3 & 4. It will be surprising if England's test team ever get back to the level of those days whilst the BB cricket is still a part of the picture. Possibly the amount of big bash played and the importance put on it is the bigger problem. Might not be proper cricket to the purists but it certainly pays the bills more. Think without BB and extra sponsorship cricket would die with 5 day tests and the old 3 day county championship format. We may not like it but times have changed but cricket at least have attempted to go with the times. Its just england have seemed to suffer the worst or just going through a lean period as all international sides have gone through. It’s Test cricket ticket revenues and TV money that fund English cricket, which is what makes the wilful damage to it even worse |
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Post by oakwoodbank on Mar 27, 2022 9:44:58 GMT
I suggest his decline was the result of the big bash cricket and England players in general have not really been able to shine at both levels. BB cricket is not the cricket that I witnessed as a boy; with Lennard Hutton and Cyril Washbrook opening, followed by Denis Compton and Bill Edrich at 3 & 4. It will be surprising if England's test team ever get back to the level of those days whilst the BB cricket is still a part of the picture. Possibly the amount of big bash played and the importance put on it is the bigger problem. Might not be proper cricket to the purists but it certainly pays the bills more. Think without BB and extra sponsorship cricket would die with 5 day tests and the old 3 day county championship format. We may not like it but times have changed but cricket at least have attempted to go with the times. Its just england have seemed to suffer the worst or just going through a lean period as all international sides have gone through. Well, if it is money that matters more than the standards of English Test Cricket, then we will have to see the present headlines over our test match games continue. Of course in mentioning money, it must be acknowledged that it is not just the cricket administration that benefits but also the players involved in BB cricket. What that does for the majority of county players, I don't know. |
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Post by Duncan McOchin on Apr 28, 2022 13:28:34 GMT
Ben Stokes is the new England captain
Obvious choice as he's the only other batsman you can reliably say will stay in the side for years to come
You don't often get all-rounder captains (not successful ones, anyway), but I don't see him bowling his bowlers into the ground like Root did
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Post by mattyovrio on Apr 28, 2022 15:26:04 GMT
Ben Stokes is the new England captain Obvious choice as he's the only other batsman you can reliably say will stay in the side for years to come You don't often get all-rounder captains (not successful ones, anyway), but I don't see him bowling his bowlers into the ground like Root did I understand your point but not for me. Here is a player, who, as a gifted all rounder, already has massive amounts of pressure on him. He has had recent mental health issues too. Appalling decision for me. It may work out, you never know, but I felt uncomfortable to say the least when I read it. |
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Post by Henry Pratt on Apr 28, 2022 15:55:18 GMT
Ben Stokes is the new England captain Obvious choice as he's the only other batsman you can reliably say will stay in the side for years to come You don't often get all-rounder captains (not successful ones, anyway), but I don't see him bowling his bowlers into the ground like Root did I understand your point but not for me. Here is a player, who, as a gifted all rounder, already has massive amounts of pressure on him. He has had recent mental health issues too. Appalling decision for me. It may work out, you never know, but I felt uncomfortable to say the least when I read it. Weren't his mental health issues specifically around his dad dying, though? Assuming he's over that, you'd hope he won't suffer again, as long as he didn't have any long-term issues not related to that. Main thing for me is that he won't be as bad a captain as Root was (few would be). And if Root gets his batting form back up to his best, all the better. Heard a good shout that we should have thought about Morgan as a stop-gap, until someone else hopefully emerges in the next year or two. Not as bizarre as it seems, in a Mike Brearley manner (and Morgan would be for more valuable a batter than Brearley), given that Morgan by all accounts seems a born captain. |
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Post by ebbs on Apr 28, 2022 18:29:48 GMT
I understand your point but not for me. Here is a player, who, as a gifted all rounder, already has massive amounts of pressure on him. He has had recent mental health issues too. Appalling decision for me. It may work out, you never know, but I felt uncomfortable to say the least when I read it. Weren't his mental health issues specifically around his dad dying, though? Assuming he's over that, you'd hope he won't suffer again, as long as he didn't have any long-term issues not related to that. Main thing for me is that he won't be as bad a captain as Root was (few would be). And if Root gets his batting form back up to his best, all the better. Heard a good shout that we should have thought about Morgan as a stop-gap, until someone else hopefully emerges in the next year or two. Not as bizarre as it seems, in a Mike Brearley manner (and Morgan would be for more valuable a batter than Brearley), given that Morgan by all accounts seems a born captain. This. I think Stokes was already a key influence on Root and his decision making so not sure what changes. Morgan is a real leader, holds the respect of players and would be decent until someone withe the change of mindset needed emerges |
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 29, 2022 9:53:36 GMT
Bit of an ian botham type of appointment for me. That didn,t work out too well for him at the time.
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Post by hedleyverity on May 6, 2022 12:47:24 GMT
Stokes is going potty for Durham today, record equaling 16 sixes so far, 34 off one over, 154 off 85 balls so far.
Match live on YouTube
Broken the record for 6s now
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on May 6, 2022 12:54:27 GMT
Stokes is going potty for Durham today, record equaling 16 sixes so far, 34 off one over, 154 off 85 balls so far. Match live on YouTube Broken the record for 6s now Thanks for the heads up. On the BBC live text they have at entry at 12:35 celebrating his 50 then one at 12:37 his 100! |
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on May 6, 2022 12:54:54 GMT
Booooo. Out now. May have jinxed it.
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Post by stockytwo on May 6, 2022 13:05:14 GMT
Ben Stokes is the new England captain Obvious choice as he's the only other batsman you can reliably say will stay in the side for years to come You don't often get all-rounder captains (not successful ones, anyway), but I don't see him bowling his bowlers into the ground like Root did I understand your point but not for me. Here is a player, who, as a gifted all rounder, already has massive amounts of pressure on him. He has had recent mental health issues too. Appalling decision for me. It may work out, you never know, but I felt uncomfortable to say the least when I read it. I agree it's a long way from perfect, but at the end of the day it's down to Ben Stokes to take responsibility for it. If he wants to do it then that's fine. As long as management had a chat with him and aired concerns over managing his mental health and workload then that's all they can do. It's his responsibility to look after himself, in conjunction with guidance from coaches. If he was passed over for the captaincy he may have been annoyed. For me he deserves a chance to mould a team in his image. If it doesn't work then fair enough it goes to someone else and we've not really lost anything, but right now there's literally only Root & Stokes who are garaunteed a place and out of the returning Broad & Anderson, neither have done any captaincy before and Anderson has a patchy injury record as you'd expect from a 39 year old. Stokes is 30 now, he may not get another chance to captain England so i'm glad he's grabbed the opportunity with both hands. As long as he doesn't bowl himself into the ground and limits T20 commitments I think he'll be fine. |
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Jun 2, 2022 11:41:55 GMT
Nice to be back in English conditions!
4 day weekend, bit of sun, cricket on with Broad and Anderson back and the debutant on fire, plus a bit of footie chat - all is good.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jun 2, 2022 11:55:22 GMT
NZ comically under cooked but England have been ruthless and are hanging on to all their catches. Who would be bonkers enough to leave Anderson AND Broad out of a test touring team.
Good that England are more aggressive with field placings too.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Jun 2, 2022 12:00:21 GMT
NZ comically under cooked but England have been ruthless and are hanging on to all their catches. Who would be bonkers enough to leave Anderson AND Broad out of a test touring team. Good that England are more aggressive with field placings too. Potts looks a gem albeit very, very early days. Probably soon to be injured :/ NZ 37-6 and we lost the toss! |
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Post by Duncan McOchin on Jun 2, 2022 14:44:51 GMT
Horrible day for the tourists, didn't they get potted by a counties XI too?
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