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Post by timberwolf on Aug 27, 2023 8:55:52 GMT
Pissing about at the back was worse. Another fashion in the game that has not all that substance behind it. it works but it's something you do at the top level and not with league 2 defenders although that being said, Notts County seem to do it okay but they sign players for their style of play and not necessarily the best players available because they don't suit the system. At our level playing out from the back usually consists of taking a short goal kick to another defender, pass it around the back a few times till someone launches it long which the keeper could have done at the outset. Rarely do you see it going fully forward via mid field to set up a scoring chance. I,d imagine there will be more defensive cock ups by playing this way than goals scored due to it. When i see them happen it makes my day.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 27, 2023 9:56:40 GMT
Pissing about at the back was worse. Another fashion in the game that has not all that substance behind it. it works but it's something you do at the top level and not with league 2 defenders although that being said, Notts County seem to do it okay but they sign players for their style of play and not necessarily the best players available because they don't suit the system. You could be onto something there, young’un…
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 27, 2023 10:00:34 GMT
it works but it's something you do at the top level and not with league 2 defenders although that being said, Notts County seem to do it okay but they sign players for their style of play and not necessarily the best players available because they don't suit the system. At our level playing out from the back usually consists of taking a short goal kick to another defender, pass it around the back a few times till someone launches it long which the keeper could have done at the outset. Rarely do you see it going fully forward via mid field to set up a scoring chance. I,d imagine there will be more defensive cock ups by playing this way than goals scored due to it. When i see them happen it makes my day. I always thought the point of it was to draw the opposition further up the pitch to create space in midfield that can be exploited. Which is where it all falls down for us, since there are so many teams happy with a mid-table finish in this division who just don’t take the bait. So we walk away with a solitary point, or worse if the customary defensive howler occurs…
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Post by chadders on Aug 27, 2023 11:35:12 GMT
At our level playing out from the back usually consists of taking a short goal kick to another defender, pass it around the back a few times till someone launches it long which the keeper could have done at the outset. Rarely do you see it going fully forward via mid field to set up a scoring chance. I,d imagine there will be more defensive cock ups by playing this way than goals scored due to it. When i see them happen it makes my day. I always thought the point of it was to draw the opposition further up the pitch to create space in midfield that can be exploited. Which is where it all falls down for us, since there are so many teams happy with a mid-table finish in this division who just don’t take the bait. So we walk away with a solitary point, or worse if the customary defensive howler occurs… I gather that’s the way Guardiola plays at City. It’s needlessly complicated for this level. Much like you don’t need Nick Powell at L2, you don’t need to be playing attacking wide centre backs.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 27, 2023 11:38:15 GMT
At our level playing out from the back usually consists of taking a short goal kick to another defender, pass it around the back a few times till someone launches it long which the keeper could have done at the outset. Rarely do you see it going fully forward via mid field to set up a scoring chance. I,d imagine there will be more defensive cock ups by playing this way than goals scored due to it. When i see them happen it makes my day. I always thought the point of it was to draw the opposition further up the pitch to create space in midfield that can be exploited. Which is where it all falls down for us, since there are so many teams happy with a mid-table finish in this division who just don’t take the bait. So we walk away with a solitary point, or worse if the customary defensive howler occurs… When teams get quickly behind the ball like most do you might as well go long in the first place as you,ll be unlucky not to pick up the second ball if they head it clear. Cannot remember a team scoring against a long goal kick without putting a really good move together to do it. You do not gift your opponents chances by doing this short play from the back stuff when players seem to slip now at any opportunity.
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 27, 2023 11:38:16 GMT
I always thought the point of it was to draw the opposition further up the pitch to create space in midfield that can be exploited. Which is where it all falls down for us, since there are so many teams happy with a mid-table finish in this division who just don’t take the bait. So we walk away with a solitary point, or worse if the customary defensive howler occurs… I gather that’s the way Guardiola plays at City. It’s needlessly complicated for this level. Much like you don’t need Nick Powell at L2, you don’t need to be playing attacking wide centre backs. pretty much guardiolla doing. Although he started it at Barcelona and ultimately were the best footballing side to ever play the game and he took his ideas to city but he's never had the poor quality that he had at Barcelona and that sounds crazy but his Barcelona side would beat his city side
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 27, 2023 11:44:34 GMT
I always thought the point of it was to draw the opposition further up the pitch to create space in midfield that can be exploited. Which is where it all falls down for us, since there are so many teams happy with a mid-table finish in this division who just don’t take the bait. So we walk away with a solitary point, or worse if the customary defensive howler occurs… I gather that’s the way Guardiola plays at City. It’s needlessly complicated for this level. Much like you don’t need Nick Powell at L2, you don’t need to be playing attacking wide centre backs. So if another club wins the premier league or european cup by playing 4 at the back and going long from goal kicks i,d put money on it that most teams at our level will follow on with this tactic. All new tactics get invented at the top with the top players involved and then drop down with inferior players to play them. Older fans will remember 1966 and ramseys wingless wonders where overnight many wingers were only then seen in non league football apart from us who were one of the few not to copy this.
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Post by chadders on Aug 27, 2023 11:55:26 GMT
I gather that’s the way Guardiola plays at City. It’s needlessly complicated for this level. Much like you don’t need Nick Powell at L2, you don’t need to be playing attacking wide centre backs. pretty much guardiolla doing. Although he started it at Barcelona and ultimately were the best footballing side to ever play the game and he took his ideas to city but he's never had the poor quality that he had at Barcelona and that sounds crazy but his Barcelona side would beat his city side I don’t watch all that much PL or European football these days (I prefer the chaos of league 1 and 2) so I’ll take your word for it. Blows my mind that he played Yaya Toure as a centre back at Barca.
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Post by chadders on Aug 27, 2023 11:56:04 GMT
I gather that’s the way Guardiola plays at City. It’s needlessly complicated for this level. Much like you don’t need Nick Powell at L2, you don’t need to be playing attacking wide centre backs. So if another club wins the premier league or european cup by playing 4 at the back and going long from goal kicks i,d put money on it that most teams at our level will follow on with this tactic. I hope so!
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Post by AllyF on Aug 27, 2023 14:42:12 GMT
Pep's wide defenders are all big centre backs by trade, not converted full backs
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 27, 2023 15:18:34 GMT
Pep's wide defenders are all big centre backs by trade, not converted full backs but pep also uses his best cb in midfield.
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Post by BWScarf on Aug 27, 2023 20:06:43 GMT
Steve Evans wanted by Hibernian apparently. Big loss for Saint Evenage if he goes.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 27, 2023 20:12:36 GMT
Steve Evans wanted by Hibernian apparently. Big loss for Saint Evenage if he goes. But loss for fans of managers with ideal names for their clubs - StEvansage If I was him I’d stay where he is
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 27, 2023 20:15:57 GMT
Steve Evans wanted by Hibernian apparently. Big loss for Saint Evenage if he goes. But loss for fans of managers with ideal names for their clubs - StEvansage If I was him I’d stay where he is stevenage are 5th after 5 games. 3 wins 1 draw 1 loss
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Post by BWScarf on Aug 27, 2023 20:34:41 GMT
Steve Evans wanted by Hibernian apparently. Big loss for Saint Evenage if he goes. But loss for fans of managers with ideal names for their clubs - StEvansage If I was him I’d stay where he is Impressed by the thought you’ve put into that, mate 😂
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