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Post by albybeliever on Oct 5, 2023 17:00:02 GMT
Winning is the most entertaining thing in football. I'd happily see us go full on route one every week if it meant we won the league. Clubs need to be careful what they wish for sometimes. Not really my view, to be honest, although I totally understand where you're coming from. I was so desperate for us to get out of non-League that I leaned more towards this attitude in those days. I worried that if we stayed there too long something catastrophic would happen and we'd go bust, plus I was sick of playing at a level where games were often decided by who was more incompetent at the basics of football than anything positive. Even then, though, I had my limits (Neil Young, for example, was a miserable experience due to the football as much as the results). But certainly now we're back in the Football League I want to enjoy watching us. If you're purely focused on winning at all costs, what's at the end of that treadmill? Ending up in the Premier League? While that'd be fun for a season or two, I'd quickly get bored of us getting battered by the big boys and utterly sick of all the trappings that go along with football at that level (which are a major part of the reason I support a lower league team). I don't necessarily equate being good to watch with short-passing football - I don't think that's necessary or sufficient. I want to watch a team, though, who work their socks off, press ferociously, play with positivity and attacking intent when they have the ball, and understand what it means to play for the shirt. The NLN promotion winners didn't always play beautiful football, but they had that in spades. Conversely, Rusk was clearly meant to make us play more short-passing stuff and I've never been so disenchanted while watching County. It wasn't just that we were underachieving relative to budget, it was that there was no energy, no excitement, no sign that he had any connection to County or idea what made us special. I'd have been more willing to accept the results if we'd had that. So yes, a lot of teams do get above themselves and sack managers who're doing perfectly well, due to some imagined vision of perfect football (hi, West Ham!). But while I'd love promotion this season, I don't see storming up the leagues as the be-all and end-all. Afternoons like Wrexham, nights like Bolton and, further back, Man City - watching those with my family are what memories are made of. Being proud of young teams playing football the right way, like Jim's League Two promotion winners - that's what matters to me. And while those things often correlate with success (and I bloody love it when they do), I'd prefer them even without it to winning via shite long-ball with a load of aging has-beens who don't care about the club. Essay over!
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Post by Duncan McOchin on Oct 5, 2023 17:41:33 GMT
Ideally yes, but they've lost their last four away from home. Plus if they go behind in a match then it's pretty much game over, they've never won after going behind first under Harris. Rarely (if ever) score more than 2, averaging one goal a game since the takeover & that's with some decent resources put in and star signings made - I'd certainly have loved County to sign the likes of Lapslie, Williams and Bonne. Those figures don't add up to a promotion challenge, which is what the Gills ownership will be expecting, not unreasonably so. lapslie would be good but williams but be disappointing and don't understand the hype around bonne when they signed him. He's not been good since he left Leyton orient in 2019 - 30 goals in 162 games. He's only 5'7ft so it's not like he's a target man and has players running off him. Jonny Williams was one of the best players we came up against last season, even when the rest of that Swindon side failed to turn up for the FA Cup game he still shone.
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Post by Josh on Oct 5, 2023 17:46:53 GMT
lapslie would be good but williams but be disappointing and don't understand the hype around bonne when they signed him. He's not been good since he left Leyton orient in 2019 - 30 goals in 162 games. He's only 5'7ft so it's not like he's a target man and has players running off him. Jonny Williams was one of the best players we came up against last season, even when the rest of that Swindon side failed to turn up for the FA Cup game he still shone. Interesting how people see these things differently, I thought he was poor in that game.
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Post by Lee on Oct 5, 2023 18:09:24 GMT
Wonder if Neil Harris is doing the weird Klopp, Pete Wild, whoever else weird fist pumping shite tonight 😂
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Oct 5, 2023 19:37:10 GMT
lapslie would be good but williams but be disappointing and don't understand the hype around bonne when they signed him. He's not been good since he left Leyton orient in 2019 - 30 goals in 162 games. He's only 5'7ft so it's not like he's a target man and has players running off him. Jonny Williams was one of the best players we came up against last season, even when the rest of that Swindon side failed to turn up for the FA Cup game he still shone. He had a good laugh when "You're just a shit Paddy Madden" got aimed at him from Yellow Block on the opening day. I already had a fairly positive opinion of him before that and it only went up when I saw he had a sense of humour.
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Post by mat1scfc on Oct 5, 2023 19:45:12 GMT
Wonder if Neil Harris is doing the weird Klopp, Pete Wild, whoever else weird fist pumping shite tonight 😂 challinor
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Post by slomasscfc on Oct 5, 2023 21:11:47 GMT
Ideally yes, but they've lost their last four away from home. Plus if they go behind in a match then it's pretty much game over, they've never won after going behind first under Harris. Rarely (if ever) score more than 2, averaging one goal a game since the takeover & that's with some decent resources put in and star signings made - I'd certainly have loved County to sign the likes of Lapslie, Williams and Bonne. Those figures don't add up to a promotion challenge, which is what the Gills ownership will be expecting, not unreasonably so. lapslie would be good but williams but be disappointing and don't understand the hype around bonne when they signed him. He's not been good since he left Leyton orient in 2019 - 30 goals in 162 games. He's only 5'7ft so it's not like he's a target man and has players running off him. and he is a shit driver
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Oct 5, 2023 21:14:49 GMT
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 6, 2023 7:49:39 GMT
Gillingham get rid of Neil Harris. Bit of a shock that one. Wow. He’s done a decent job since the investment last season! Rock bottom around christmas time to become one of the front runners this season even though they have hit on a bit of bad form. If we had got that attitude DC would have gone last season as well as this after poor starts. Really hope they appoint the wrong man and their slide continues. Nothing against the gills its just decisions like that that bug me in the game.
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 6, 2023 7:57:35 GMT
I don't necessarily equate being good to watch with short-passing football - I don't think that's necessary or sufficient. I want to watch a team, though, who work their socks off, press ferociously, play with positivity and attacking intent when they have the ball, and understand what it means to play for the shirt. The NLN promotion winners didn't always play beautiful football, but they had that in spades. Conversely, Rusk was clearly meant to make us play more short-passing stuff and I've never been so disenchanted while watching County. It wasn't just that we were underachieving relative to budget, it was that there was no energy, no excitement, no sign that he had any connection to County or idea what made us special. I'd have been more willing to accept the results if we'd had that. So yes, a lot of teams do get above themselves and sack managers who're doing perfectly well, due to some imagined vision of perfect football (hi, West Ham!). But while I'd love promotion this season, I don't see storming up the leagues as the be-all and end-all. Afternoons like Wrexham, nights like Bolton and, further back, Man City - watching those with my family are what memories are made of. Being proud of young teams playing football the right way, like Jim's League Two promotion winners - that's what matters to me. And while those things often correlate with success (and I bloody love it when they do), I'd prefer them even without it to winning via shite long-ball with a load of aging has-beens who don't care about the club. Essay over! Problem is so many people from managers downwards are impressed by stats and posession of the ball. Add on players being totally fit as an athlete has not really helped. Fans now have got into their mindset that the olly good game is a winning one. No fan wants to see there team lose but once they were not as unhappy as they are now if they had seen a really good game of football and their side ended up losing to a better side on the day.
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Post by sherbertdab on Oct 6, 2023 7:58:57 GMT
Just to show how things change, the last time we were automatically promoted from division 4/league 2 was when we came second in 1990/91 Of those 24 teams only 5 are in that league this year 7 are in higher leagues and 12 are in non league or worse (worse being Scarborough)
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Post by mat1scfc on Oct 6, 2023 9:01:57 GMT
Just to show how things change, the last time we were automatically promoted from division 4/league 2 was when we came second in 1990/91 Of those 24 teams only 5 are in that league this year 7 are in higher leagues and 12 are in non league or worse (worse being Scarborough) to think as well although abit more rogue that if we were a team that got abit of money back when brentford did or brighton or even Manchester blue then we could've been in the Premier league
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Post by philtheglass on Oct 6, 2023 10:43:27 GMT
Obviously never heard of the Bradford City disaster...
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Post by Nik on Oct 6, 2023 10:52:36 GMT
Obviously never heard of the Bradford City disaster... He clearly mentions fire safety and that modern timber is engineered to be fire retardant in the video.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Oct 6, 2023 11:28:48 GMT
Obviously never heard of the Bradford City disaster... He clearly mentions fire safety and that modern timber is engineered to be fire retardant in the video. Bearing in mind that the severity of the Bradford City fire had a lot to do with accumulated rubbish burning and igniting the timber rather than the timber being ignited directly, it’s important to note that fire-rated structural timber is engineered so it won’t collapse within a specified time in a fire; not so it won’t burn at all. That can only be achieved by applying a (not especially eco-friendly) tumescent coating or some other means of passive fire protection. Without that, you have the cold comfort of knowing the roof won’t fall in you as you burn to death. Although being Devil’s Advocate, I reckon plastic seats are more of an issue than wood/steel/concrete in the construction of a stadium anyway. Fair enough, if you try to set fire to a plastic seat directly it’ll mostly just melt, but if something else went up and got hot enough to ignite the melted plastic it would be very bad news. Being able to get away quickly and easily from an incipient fire is the most important thing.
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