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Post by David Schofield on Mar 28, 2024 12:23:49 GMT
Just wish there were other stats that could be used to decide which is the divisions top keeper. The ones who keep a poor side in games week in week out cannot get a look in when its all about clean sheets and possibly no shots on target in some games they play in. The differential between opponents xG and how many they actually scored would do it. xG is not woo, there is a scientific method applied somewhere in all that... but it is ultimately still subjective Goalkeepers have to be judged by their ability to keep the ball out of their first and foremost but it should only be part of that appraisal There was a fabulous flying save from Ben on Saturday from Alex Gibey's first time shot at the CE (which will be clipped up and shown time and time again) but it was dreadful goalkeeping from Ben then even allowed the chance in the first place, he should have caught the original cross but flapped at it; a repeat of the magnificent stop from Paul Mullin's overhead kick that is often shown but ignores him flapping at the original ball in Ben's game has improved since he went full time and he deserves enormous credit for that, I would love him to win another promotion and claim the Golden Gloves this season, regardless he has earned the right for another contract and to compete for the shirt again next year
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Post by gibbo on Mar 28, 2024 12:42:38 GMT
Just wish there were other stats that could be used to decide which is the divisions top keeper. The ones who keep a poor side in games week in week out cannot get a look in when its all about clean sheets and possibly no shots on target in some games they play in. Being a bit pedantic, but this isn't determining who the divisions best keeper is, it's determining who wins the Golden Glove, and you've got to pick some metric for that. Like the Golden Boot isn't an award for the best striker, it's for the one that's scored the most goals (that might not necessarily be the same person).
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Post by canterbury on Mar 28, 2024 20:53:05 GMT
The differential between opponents xG and how many they actually scored would do it. xG is not woo, there is a scientific method applied somewhere in all that... but it is ultimately still subjective Goalkeepers have to be judged by their ability to keep the ball out of their first and foremost but it should only be part of that appraisal There was a fabulous flying save from Ben on Saturday from Alex Gibey's first time shot at the CE (which will be clipped up and shown time and time again) but it was dreadful goalkeeping from Ben then even allowed the chance in the first place, he should have caught the original cross but flapped at it; a repeat of the magnificent stop from Paul Mullin's overhead kick that is often shown but ignores him flapping at the original ball in Isn't this an even more subjective appraisal?
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Post by David Schofield on Mar 28, 2024 21:14:26 GMT
xG is not woo, there is a scientific method applied somewhere in all that... but it is ultimately still subjective Goalkeepers have to be judged by their ability to keep the ball out of their first and foremost but it should only be part of that appraisal There was a fabulous flying save from Ben on Saturday from Alex Gibey's first time shot at the CE (which will be clipped up and shown time and time again) but it was dreadful goalkeeping from Ben then even allowed the chance in the first place, he should have caught the original cross but flapped at it; a repeat of the magnificent stop from Paul Mullin's overhead kick that is often shown but ignores him flapping at the original ball in Isn't this an even more subjective appraisal? Entirely
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Post by David Schofield on Mar 28, 2024 21:20:50 GMT
Just wish there were other stats that could be used to decide which is the divisions top keeper. The ones who keep a poor side in games week in week out cannot get a look in when its all about clean sheets and possibly no shots on target in some games they play in. Being a bit pedantic, but this isn't determining who the divisions best keeper is, it's determining who wins the Golden Glove, and you've got to pick some metric for that. Like the Golden Boot isn't an award for the best striker, it's for the one that's scored the most goals (that might not necessarily be the same person). Agree with that If there was an award for “Golden Did What He Was Paid To Do Better Than Anyone Else” it would go to Ryan Croasdale
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Post by herbiedumplings on Mar 28, 2024 21:24:43 GMT
Being a bit pedantic, but this isn't determining who the divisions best keeper is, it's determining who wins the Golden Glove, and you've got to pick some metric for that. Like the Golden Boot isn't an award for the best striker, it's for the one that's scored the most goals (that might not necessarily be the same person). Agree with that If there was an award for “Golden Did What He Was Paid To Do Better Than Anyone Else” it would go to Ryan Croasdale There must be a Head of Data Mining somewhere within County’s 337 employees. Get them on it.
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Post by canterbury on Mar 28, 2024 22:27:25 GMT
Isn't this an even more subjective appraisal? Entirely I don't think I get the point then. What was the problem with Expected goals minus Actual goals?
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Post by David Schofield on Mar 29, 2024 2:09:28 GMT
I don't think I get the point then. What was the problem with Expected goals minus Actual goals? I don’t have one
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Mar 29, 2024 21:20:20 GMT
.....and another clean sheet
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Post by Philcounty on Mar 29, 2024 21:44:25 GMT
.....and another clean sheet The easiest clean sheet he's probably ever going to pick up.
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Post by mreckless on Mar 29, 2024 22:56:41 GMT
Just wish there were other stats that could be used to decide which is the divisions top keeper. The ones who keep a poor side in games week in week out cannot get a look in when its all about clean sheets and possibly no shots on target in some games they play in. Percentage of shots on target actually saved is a good measure as it levels out the playing field more as a percentage
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Mar 29, 2024 23:05:10 GMT
Just wish there were other stats that could be used to decide which is the divisions top keeper. The ones who keep a poor side in games week in week out cannot get a look in when its all about clean sheets and possibly no shots on target in some games they play in. Percentage of shots on target actually saved is a good measure as it levels out the playing field more as a percentage But only if you think the only way to judge a keeper is saving shots. When a lot of the time a good keeper can ensure that a shot never even happens. The position of goalkeeper is the distillation of the fact that stats, while useful, don’t tell the whole story.
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Post by tgttiw on Mar 30, 2024 10:29:39 GMT
Personally I'd leave the gk dept at it is. Smith clearly is a good keeper with championship experience. He's only 30 even if he's 32 when he steps into Ben's boots then he's got years left in him.
If Bobby Smith wants to leave let him but more then happy for him to stay. If Ben doesn't step up let him go but I think he will.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 30, 2024 10:45:39 GMT
Personally I'd leave the gk dept at it is. Smith clearly is a good keeper with championship experience. He's only 30 even if he's 32 when he steps into Ben's boots then he's got years left in him. If Bobby Smith wants to leave let him but more then happy for him to stay. If Ben doesn't step up let him go but I think he will. Yes possibly the least position we might have no problem with after promotion. Wonder just what other teams have done in the last few years after promotion from lg.2. Did they have major clear outs or kept the majority of the promoted side to have a decent first season.
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Post by Nik on Mar 30, 2024 12:54:30 GMT
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