Mozzer
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 11, 2024 13:37:24 GMT
We could have beaten Stoke, Peterborough and Burnley - which is more important than that. I still wouldn't have it. But we've done VAR to death previously. You either like it or you don't. I don't and I won't be swayed by decisions that go the way of the team I'm supporting. This one, I think, is less about VAR itself (though of course it got involved) and more about whether the decision was the right one.
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Post by vicar on Jul 11, 2024 14:00:09 GMT
If a defender was clearing a ball, a striker tried to block it and the defender's follow through hit the foot of the striker, you'd never expect a foul to be given against the striker. It's madness. Defenders may as well not try and block shots because they're either going to give away a point blank range handball or a foul because the striker collided with them. You could say absolutely the same as this when a defender mistimes a challenge "the defender was trying to win the ball". It's absolutely the same. If the "defender was trying to block the ball" he would have BLOCKED THE BALL. The reality is he tried, missed, failed, and kicked Kane. This business of Kane kicking him is bollocks by the way. His studs literally connected with Kane's foot AFTER the ball had been set off, not the other way around. Absolute stone wall penalty. Some of you guys need a trip to Specsavers! Couldn't give the penalty without VAR. But these are the type of situations that VAR is absolutely there for. The defender has gone against his manager and said he caught him so it was a penalty.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 11, 2024 16:51:50 GMT
Yes you are having it. Studs up. Foul anywhere else in the pitch. The ref got to look at it again and said it was a foul so pen and yellow card. The VAR ref thought the same too or wouldn’t have called the ref over. Av it! Ah, right. Well, if VAR got involved and a ref was having a look, it must be right. Except for the expert ITV have who said it wasn't. His foot is up but he's not leading with his studs - any time any player lifts their foot up exposes the studs. That's not the same as going into a tackle leading with them. You can start giving free kicks all over the show if this is where we're now at. Soft as f*ck that penalty. I'm not an advocate for a return to 1970s football - the game is better for having removed that borderline criminal violence involved on the pitch. But a foul for putting your foot up to try to block a ball and getting it kicked is pathetic. Ahhh, citing the ITV rules expert - you know you’re in trouble now.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 11, 2024 17:05:34 GMT
Ah, right. Well, if VAR got involved and a ref was having a look, it must be right. Except for the expert ITV have who said it wasn't. His foot is up but he's not leading with his studs - any time any player lifts their foot up exposes the studs. That's not the same as going into a tackle leading with them. You can start giving free kicks all over the show if this is where we're now at. Soft as f*ck that penalty. I'm not an advocate for a return to 1970s football - the game is better for having removed that borderline criminal violence involved on the pitch. But a foul for putting your foot up to try to block a ball and getting it kicked is pathetic. Ahhh, citing the ITV rules expert - you know you’re in trouble now. She's more qualified than anyone on here, matty 😉 Anyway, I'm not saying I won't take it. Of course I will - we've been done by enough crap decisions against us in the past so that I don't feel guilty about getting the rub of the green here (which we can surely agree we did, because it is clearly a contentious decision, whether or not you agree with it). It'll get used against us by those who don't like us, but as I say, we got a decision go our way in a game we deserved to win anyway. I don't feel bad about it.
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Post by alkringtonhatter on Jul 11, 2024 17:26:13 GMT
Football mythology has been better served by the Hand of God decision not being made. We have a richer history because of it. S### happens, otherwise we could just examine each team’s aggregate deep completion stats and not bother keeping score.
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Post by vicar on Jul 11, 2024 18:11:19 GMT
Anyway how do we play against Spain, do we sit in and try to stifle them or do we go at them but that leaves us vulnerable to Yamal and Williams hitting us on the break, I've no idea how we tackle this one, maybe just select a shape and let them worry about us.
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Post by nelly on Jul 11, 2024 18:25:43 GMT
Anyway how do we play against Spain, do we sit in and try to stifle them or do we go at them but that leaves us vulnerable to Yamal and Williams hitting us on the break, I've no idea how we tackle this one, maybe just select a shape and let them worry about us. 10 players behind the ball and play for a 1- 0 win. 🤔
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Post by atmosphere on Jul 11, 2024 18:57:25 GMT
VAR was shown up for his bullshit when the "expert" ITV ex referee came on the waves and confidently said no chance they'd look for a penalty when she thought the coast was clear and no sign of it being checked has occurred. Only for them then to pretty quickly call the ref to the screen and then confidently give it. They make it up as they go along.
Remember all that bollocks about silhouettes and handballs. The next referee would tell you totally different.
If the ITV analyst comes on the mic after the penalty was given, she'd have backed it and come up with some bollocks about studs raised etc. It's a bluffers game.
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Post by mustafapoint on Jul 11, 2024 19:30:43 GMT
I've been impressed with her. Knows her stuff and explains it very well.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 11, 2024 20:25:57 GMT
Football mythology has been better served by the Hand of God decision not being made. We have a richer history because of it. S### happens, otherwise we could just examine each team’s aggregate deep completion stats and not bother keeping score. It will make a controversial win over Argentina in the 2026 World Cup Final all the sweeter (as Southgate bows out a double title winner)
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 11, 2024 20:27:14 GMT
VAR was shown up for his bullshit when the "expert" ITV ex referee came on the waves and confidently said no chance they'd look for a penalty when she thought the coast was clear and no sign of it being checked has occurred. Only for them then to pretty quickly call the ref to the screen and then confidently give it. They make it up as they go along.
Remember all that bollocks about silhouettes and handballs. The next referee would tell you totally different.
If the ITV analyst comes on the mic after the penalty was given, she'd have backed it and come up with some bollocks about studs raised etc. It's a bluffers game.
Didn't she come back on afterwards and say she disagreed with the decision? I'm sleep deprived and may have imagined that.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 11, 2024 20:55:42 GMT
Anyway how do we play against Spain, do we sit in and try to stifle them or do we go at them but that leaves us vulnerable to Yamal and Williams hitting us on the break, I've no idea how we tackle this one, maybe just select a shape and let them worry about us. 10 players behind the ball and play for a 1- 0 win. 🤔 Ridiculous optimism - play for penners!🤣🥳⚽️🍺💥
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Post by vicar on Jul 11, 2024 21:38:09 GMT
10 players behind the ball and play for a 1- 0 win. 🤔 Ridiculous optimism - play for penners!🤣🥳⚽️🍺💥 I'd play Cole Palmer just to freak Dani Olmo out, they're identical.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 11, 2024 21:59:55 GMT
Anyway how do we play against Spain, do we sit in and try to stifle them or do we go at them but that leaves us vulnerable to Yamal and Williams hitting us on the break, I've no idea how we tackle this one, maybe just select a shape and let them worry about us. We get Professor Peach from the Italian Job to hack the traffic lights in Berlin so the Spanish team miss kickoff and we win by default. Easy.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 12, 2024 7:42:54 GMT
Anyway how do we play against Spain, do we sit in and try to stifle them or do we go at them but that leaves us vulnerable to Yamal and Williams hitting us on the break, I've no idea how we tackle this one, maybe just select a shape and let them worry about us. 10 players behind the ball and play for a 1- 0 win. 🤔 In any game of football now that is a better result than being beaten 4-3 in a memorable game where only the winners and neutrals are happy. Sod the neutrals and the part time fans, the game is for us who attend football week in week out without VAR as well.
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