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Post by jkb9b on Mar 9, 2023 11:32:19 GMT
It seems to be as I thought but at same time doesn’t really make any sense. Also all of these different numbered Zones don’t make sense either, all they need is a single outer zone clearly marked as such. The only reason for different zone numbers would be if the restrictions were different in each area dependent upon certain things like days/events and that is clearly not the case at EP. I understand your thinking about whether to pay or appeal, however bare in mind that if you do pay rather than appeal based on being able to continue to park there you will run the risk of getting another ticket. Good luck with it all. At first glance there seems to no reason for the three zones, all of which have the same time limits. The EPS Zone is very slightly different from the other two, in that some of the spaces are permit-only and some are no parking at all on match days. I think the risk of a ticket is always there because of the anomaly between the map and the actual road markings, but at the moment I'm minded to lodge an official appeal once the "Notice To Owner" arrives later this month. Yours sincerely, Victor Meldrew.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Mar 9, 2023 13:16:47 GMT
I don't use public transport during the week, because I can't get to work without a lot of inconvenience, changes and cost, so I am not going to. However, I can get the 199 from the end of my road to Stockport. At £2 for the journey, £4 return, it's about the same cost as the petrol, I don't have the hassle of parking and I can have a few drinks if I want to. As I've said, it won't be convenient for everyone, but the majority of County's support will live on a direct bus or train route into Stockport. And when the bus fares are only £2, it makes sense to me for the Club to encourage people not to use cars. If the Club can add some incentives, that work for both parties, what is to lose? That does make complete sense to me but i have a couple of howevers though. With train strikes you can knock that on the head till everything is resolved. As for buses, unless its better in stockport than in my area, the number of journeys missed through staff shortage and vehicle unavailability if your bus does not turn up either way i doubt people will be eager to give it another go with a car standing on the drive doing nothing. Buses in Stockport have always struck me as better than most places, one of the advantages of being just outside Manchester I suspect. Buses were great when I lived in Birmingham and they’re good in Greater London too. But my location just outside the Greater London demarcation line they’re utterly dreadful and I wouldn’t want to rely on them for anything.
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Post by redhatter on Mar 9, 2023 15:17:59 GMT
That does make complete sense to me but i have a couple of howevers though. With train strikes you can knock that on the head till everything is resolved. As for buses, unless its better in stockport than in my area, the number of journeys missed through staff shortage and vehicle unavailability if your bus does not turn up either way i doubt people will be eager to give it another go with a car standing on the drive doing nothing. Buses in Stockport have always struck me as better than most places, one of the advantages of being just outside Manchester I suspect. Buses were great when I lived in Birmingham and they’re good in Greater London too. But my location just outside the Greater London demarcation line they’re utterly dreadful and I wouldn’t want to rely on them for anything. I think it depends on the location around Stockport. The route to Hazel Grove has more buses you can shake a stick at. 192, 199, 374, 392, etc. Every few minutes. Buxton / New Mills / Stockport isn't bad with the 199 running every 30 minutes and there is the 358. Marple / Offerton through to Stockport has the 358, 383, 384, 375. I think the mobile apps help, so you can see the exact location of the bus and perhaps grab a coffee if it's running late. The pricing always used to be the issue for me. £8 return on the 199, is much more than I would pay for petrol, but now it's £2 each way, the cost is pretty much the same as driving. I hope the government can make the £2 bus fares permanent and encourage more people to use public transport.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Mar 9, 2023 19:41:49 GMT
Agree that bus services to Stockport are very good value to the town centre, but think many are put off by the walk up King Street to Edgeley. I know it's not really that far but it's a bit inbetween a rubbish walk or worth waiting for a bus up the hill(and an extra £2)...especially for evening/poor weather games.
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Post by hedleyverity on Mar 9, 2023 20:01:54 GMT
Agree that bus services to Stockport are very good value to the town centre, but think many are put off by the walk up King Street to Edgeley. I know it's not really that far but it's a bit inbetween a rubbish walk or worth waiting for a bus up the hill(and an extra £2)...especially for evening/poor weather games. I’ve been campaigning (in my own head) for a travelator to be installed on that hill for the last 20 years, although a furnicular railway would also be acceptable, maybe that councillor chap could take this up now the safari park behind the pop side has fallen through?
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Post by Imposter on Mar 10, 2023 7:01:59 GMT
Agree that bus services to Stockport are very good value to the town centre, but think many are put off by the walk up King Street to Edgeley. I know it's not really that far but it's a bit inbetween a rubbish walk or worth waiting for a bus up the hill(and an extra £2)...especially for evening/poor weather games. The new transport interchange includes much improved and easier connectivity with the railway station, so can go up via the station. There are plenty of buses from the bus station up to Edgeley, usually you'd be waiting 5-10 minutes max - and the whole time from getting off the bus in the station to getting to Edgeley is probably much the same whether you walk or get a bus - the bus being slightly quicker on occasion. Plus when I'd walk from the bus station I'd never ever ever just walk straight up King Street West. It was always cross over to the steps at the bottom of Exchange Street, up the steps, through the Railway station, and out the back to Edgeley.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 10, 2023 9:42:57 GMT
Agree that bus services to Stockport are very good value to the town centre, but think many are put off by the walk up King Street to Edgeley. I know it's not really that far but it's a bit inbetween a rubbish walk or worth waiting for a bus up the hill(and an extra £2)...especially for evening/poor weather games. Could be worse you could watch huddersfield town every week and do that trek from the bus or railway stations. Same with valley parade from the interchange. Its just a boring walk but hardly taxing for most. If i lived near it would not worry me using public transport and do that walk. My gripe is having no option but drive and having a long walk both ways after parking is not on. You expect some inconveniance with public transport unless you live on a bus route passing the ground but not by using a car when necessary.
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Post by redhatter on Mar 10, 2023 9:54:19 GMT
Agree that bus services to Stockport are very good value to the town centre, but think many are put off by the walk up King Street to Edgeley. I know it's not really that far but it's a bit inbetween a rubbish walk or worth waiting for a bus up the hill(and an extra £2)...especially for evening/poor weather games. My gripe is having no option but drive and having a long walk both ways after parking is not on. You expect some inconveniance with public transport unless you live on a bus route passing the ground but not by using a car when necessary. I'm not sure what you are expecting Timber? A personallised car parking space next to Mark Stott in the Cheadle End car park? We are getting crowds of 8,000 to 10,000 these days. It's going to involve some walking if you drive. You can easily park for free within 10 minutes walk of Edgeley Park, even when there is a big crowd.
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Post by hedleyverity on Mar 10, 2023 9:58:27 GMT
Any car park at a ground I’ve been in has been horrible to get out of after the match, I’d much rather walk 10 or 15 minutes and then drive off than sit in one of those car parks. Those with mobility issues are obviously a different matter
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Post by Imposter on Mar 10, 2023 10:08:22 GMT
Agree that bus services to Stockport are very good value to the town centre, but think many are put off by the walk up King Street to Edgeley. I know it's not really that far but it's a bit inbetween a rubbish walk or worth waiting for a bus up the hill(and an extra £2)...especially for evening/poor weather games. Could be worse you could watch huddersfield town every week and do that trek from the bus or railway stations. Same with valley parade from the interchange. Its just a boring walk but hardly taxing for most. If i lived near it would not worry me using public transport and do that walk. My gripe is having no option but drive and having a long walk both ways after parking is not on. You expect some inconveniance with public transport unless you live on a bus route passing the ground but not by using a car when necessary. Firstly when public transport is running normally and not like it has for the past 6 months or so, who has no option but to drive? Those with disabilities yes, those living especially far away such that not driving would necessitate overnight stays, yes - everyone else much less so. Secondly I'm afraid it just comes with the territory living so far away. We don't have the capacity for huge car parking - we can't cater for a small and niche minority of fans like yourself who drive from well out of the area. It's just the way it is, it's likely to get worse for you at EP as we gain more fans. However much the club, council, transport authorities do to encourage people to come by bus, train, walk, cycle, park and ride, etc...there will always be a percentage who drive. The physically incapable of walking far/much, those like you coming from a long way away, those on very tight schedules for whom it's marginally quicker, those who due to the vagaries of public transport it's much quicker, snobby types who think buses are beneath them / full of weirdos/dodgy people/chavs/annoying teenagers/sodcasters, the plain old lazy, etc.. If we get to having 12-15k crowds and that accounts for 5-10% of the crowd, that's anywhere from 600-1500 (an median of about 1000) people wanting to park as close to EP as possible. Given how small the car parks are likely to be, on street restrictions, etc... not all are going to get that close. It might well be a case of parking at the rail station multistorey, or at the town hall/municipal buildings car parks, etc...and walking from there for many.
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Post by m14hatter on Mar 10, 2023 10:09:49 GMT
The club do need to look at more parking options like they have done with the NCP. Suspect the parking permit restrictions will only get worse as the ground gets bigger and there will be more cars coming. So it’s not an area the club can just neglect as the majority won’t want to/ can’t make public transport work.
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Post by Imposter on Mar 10, 2023 10:23:32 GMT
The club do need to look at more parking options like they have done with the NCP. Suspect the parking permit restrictions will only get worse as the ground gets bigger and there will be more cars coming. So it’s not an area the club can just neglect as the majority won’t want to/ can’t make public transport work. I'd suggest it's rather the other way round and the majority can make public transport work and indeed do so. Most of our fanbase travels from around Stockport, South Manchester, Tameside, North Cheshire, and High Peak. All areas with good public transport links to Stockport. It's 10 minutes walk from the rail station, 15 minutes from the bus station/interchange, A6, and town centre, and there are numerous frequent buses that pass with a minute or two of the ground. It might take somewhat longer or involve a little planning but it's hardly a trek to a miles out of town ground like Bolton or Colchester or something. Plus if you drive you don't have to worry/think about where to park the car park, you're free to have a drink if you choose, etc... A lot of it is down to laziness. People may well think on if the walk from where they have to park becomes longer and might be 10-20 minutes. Albeit more can be done to encourage the buses - transport offers similar to Germany would be good. But failing that let's list EP/County on the bus timetables and timetable boards at the bus station, let's have better signage from the rail station, town centre, bus/transport interchange, let's get the buses that pass County/EP listing it on their destination boards on the front of the bus. For drivers there's the rail station multistorey, more use should be made of the car parks around the town hall and municipal buildings, etc... But I'd argue the point that the majority drive. And I'd definitely argue the idea that most fans coming to EP can't make public transport work.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 10, 2023 10:34:42 GMT
My gripe is having no option but drive and having a long walk both ways after parking is not on. You expect some inconveniance with public transport unless you live on a bus route passing the ground but not by using a car when necessary. I'm not sure what you are expecting Timber? A personallised car parking space next to Mark Stott in the Cheadle End car park? We are getting crowds of 8,000 to 10,000 these days. It's going to involve some walking if you drive. You can easily park for free within 10 minutes walk of Edgeley Park, even when there is a big crowd. I,m quite happy with the current situation at EP as i do not mind getting there over 2 hours before KO. I,m not commenting on the present situation but more of a possible one for the future if the resendents only parking in increased further away from the ground and the small car parks we have end up being closed with Castle Street redevelopments. If these two actions happen then my comments on the issue come into force.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 10, 2023 10:40:14 GMT
But I'd argue the point that the majority drive. And I'd definitely argue the idea that most fans coming to EP can't make public transport work. Then it would be interesting though to find out who makes the shortest car journey to EP who do not have any disabilities.
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Post by m14hatter on Mar 10, 2023 10:43:20 GMT
The club do need to look at more parking options like they have done with the NCP. Suspect the parking permit restrictions will only get worse as the ground gets bigger and there will be more cars coming. So it’s not an area the club can just neglect as the majority won’t want to/ can’t make public transport work. I'd suggest it's rather the other way round and the majority can make public transport work and indeed do so. Most of our fanbase travels from around Stockport, South Manchester, Tameside, North Cheshire, and High Peak. All areas with good public transport links to Stockport. It's 10 minutes walk from the rail station, 15 minutes from the bus station/interchange, A6, and town centre, and there are numerous frequent buses that pass with a minute or two of the ground. It might take somewhat longer or involve a little planning but it's hardly a trek to a miles out of town ground like Bolton or Colchester or something. Plus if you drive you don't have to worry/think about where to park the car park, you're free to have a drink if you choose, etc... A lot of it is down to laziness. People may well think on if the walk from where they have to park becomes longer and might be 10-20 minutes. Albeit more can be done to encourage the buses - transport offers similar to Germany would be good. But failing that let's list EP/County on the bus timetables and timetable boards at the bus station, let's have better signage from the rail station, town centre, bus/transport interchange, let's get the buses that pass County/EP listing it on their destination boards on the front of the bus. For drivers there's the rail station multistorey, more use should be made of the car parks around the town hall and municipal buildings, etc... But I'd argue the point that the majority drive. And I'd definitely argue the idea that most fans coming to EP can't make public transport work. I do reckon the majority of our fan base drives you only have to walk around Edgeley and back towards stocky to see the amount of people flocking to games in cars. we both agree that the club needs to do more in terms of using other multi storeys. It’s not just about if there is a route to get you there on public transport though. It’s also about people’s circumstances. If I go via bus it takes me an 1hr 10mins door to door for a 6 mile journey. And there’s only two buses an hour. On Tues night I only got home from work at 6.50. The only option is to drive or a taxi. I imagine there’s a lot of people with work/ family commitments which means they haven’t got the time to allow them to take public transport.
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