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Post by vicar on May 15, 2023 21:48:36 GMT
I think you know when a team is ready for promotion and have a chance to compete at the next level. Last season everyone knew it should’ve been our time and so much rested on it as a result. For all those devastating p/o defeats in the early 90s I look back and think that we were never really ready for the Championship, compare with 96/97 when it was so clear that we were. In 2007/2008 we were plainly good enough for the next level even though we only did it through the play offs. This season…..the only point where I thought we were really ready was the Walsall away game, as that was such a complete performance, but really I’ve not been convinced since the turn of the year that we’d hold our own at the next level with the players that we have. That sounds mad when we went into the p/o with just one loss in twenty games, but it just hasn’t felt right. 🤷🏻♂️ Off the top of my head, these were all excellent performances.
Walsall away 2-0 Northampton home 2-0
Stevenage home 2-0
Harrogate away 3-1
Swindon FA Cup 4-0
Salford away 2-0
Bradford away 1-0
Carlisle Home 2-0
Hartlepool away 5-0 Newport home 4-0
Edit: Orient away 3-0
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Post by m14hatter on May 15, 2023 21:51:12 GMT
I think it’s been a good season no matter what happens over the next few days/weeks.
I thought we’d finish 5th before we kicked a ball, so to get 4th has surpassed expectations.
The slow start was frustrating and concerning but I think what was pleasing is the the players and management team seem to have stuck together and got through it.
From 10 games in there’s been very little to complain about. We’ve taken more points than anyone else and shown title winning form.
The draws at home in March were frustrating but thankfully we kept the away form ticking over.
I understand some of the grumbles about us not being expansive enough etc but I think some of the talk that there haven’t been any good performances is well wide of the mark. Even this year the games against the likes of Northampton, Stevenage and Tranmere were good wins.
If we don’t go up I think with 3/4 players we’ll be right up there and I’d back us to get the job done automatically. If we do go up, then I think we will need a proper rebuild to stay up. I’d only feel confident about the likes of Woots, Rydel, Collar and Horsfall making the grade.
Attendances have been a real highlight. Took Leicester to a shoot out and beat another League 1 team! The Courtyard has proved to be a real success and has made the cheadle end concourse bearable.
Now if the club can try and sort the ticketing system out and a loyalty scheme that would be grand.
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Post by ricky on May 15, 2023 22:13:19 GMT
I disagree (one of the many on here as you say!), won’t go into reasons why as I’ve seen you have many a back and forth on here about it before. Who do you think would be better suited for the role, that would be a realistic option for County? Would be interesting to know why you think they’d be a better prospect than DC too. There’s plenty of better Managers out there; Leam Richardson is a strong candidate for me, track record of winning League One and didn’t run off when Wigan’s finances collapsed so some decency in there too Why..? Probably more to do with DC limitations tbh, he’s a very basic meat & two veg Manager, really effective when things are going well but absolutely clueless about how to change things when they are aren’t (and worse still he’s developed a habit of changing things as soon as we go ahead pushing Akil into defensive midfield which stops us playing altogether) Richardson has had some very interesting articles written about him in the past year or two, his ability to create an attacking team who are also solid defensively Statistics and all that, but Richardson’s aren’t as good as Challinor’s, but he’s supposedly a better manager, I know they had financial problems but losing 6 games out of 7 prior to being sacked, if he’s so good, why couldn’t he have ground out a few better results? I’m sure he’s a good manager, he won a title, but better than DC? I reckon there’s very little in it either way.
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Post by herbiedumplings on May 16, 2023 6:11:18 GMT
I'd be amazed if the management team AND Wilson are here next year. Come on, pack it in with the cryptics and tell us what you “know”. We’re giving John Hewitson a leg up into senior football management, because lightning doesn’t strike twice.
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Post by gazecc89 on May 16, 2023 6:54:50 GMT
It's been a solid first season back in the football league. A poor start where we obviously shot ourselves in the foot many times and seemed to get punished by one goal margin defeats. However, we soon found our feet and settled in well.
I'd say in our recent run of form without many defeats, the performances haven't been top quality though we've managed to grind out results. Play Offs is a great achievement, but my head says we will be in League 2 next season. Injuries to key players have knocked us, though we're still in with a chance.
The performances against Hartlepool worries me as we didn't rise to the occasion. Following that up with the Salford performance was frustrating, but we obviously didn't want to concede a second so didn't over commit to pushing on. The 2nd leg will likely open up, but we need EP rocking from the off to set the tone. Atmospheres haven't been great at home, perhaps there's a level of expectation now which we need to shake off.
We're in a good place for next season regardless - obvious players to move on and we will see more quality incoming.
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Post by atmosphere on May 16, 2023 7:46:13 GMT
I disagree (one of the many on here as you say!), won’t go into reasons why as I’ve seen you have many a back and forth on here about it before. Who do you think would be better suited for the role, that would be a realistic option for County? Would be interesting to know why you think they’d be a better prospect than DC too. There’s plenty of better Managers out there; Leam Richardson is a strong candidate for me, track record of winning League One and didn’t run off when Wigan’s finances collapsed so some decency in there too Why..? Probably more to do with DC limitations tbh, he’s a very basic meat & two veg Manager, really effective when things are going well but absolutely clueless about how to change things when they are aren’t (and worse still he’s developed a habit of changing things as soon as we go ahead pushing Akil into defensive midfield which stops us playing altogether) Richardson has had some very interesting articles written about him in the past year or two, his ability to create an attacking team who are also solid defensively Leam Richardson is most famous for putting the cones out for Paul Cook. Their budget at Wigan was massive and it was the same when he had a successful season as the number 1.
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Post by dunkerrrrr on May 16, 2023 7:47:48 GMT
I disagree (one of the many on here as you say!), won’t go into reasons why as I’ve seen you have many a back and forth on here about it before. Who do you think would be better suited for the role, that would be a realistic option for County? Would be interesting to know why you think they’d be a better prospect than DC too. There’s plenty of better Managers out there; Leam Richardson is a strong candidate for me, track record of winning League One and didn’t run off when Wigan’s finances collapsed so some decency in there too Why..? Probably more to do with DC limitations tbh, he’s a very basic meat & two veg Manager, really effective when things are going well but absolutely clueless about how to change things when they are aren’t (and worse still he’s developed a habit of changing things as soon as we go ahead pushing Akil into defensive midfield which stops us playing altogether) Richardson has had some very interesting articles written about him in the past year or two, his ability to create an attacking team who are also solid defensively Cheers, always enjoy hearing other peoples opinions, especially when they’re different to my own! I’d agree to disagree on DCs limitations, for someone with little experience at this level he’s done well in his first full season imo, not just in our results although obviously the first thing you’d look at to judge a managers performance. But also in things like the significant improvement in our discipline record, his approach to player management showing it’s value through pulling together a large team of mostly strangers into a cohesive unit, his ability to learn on the job being a massive one for me too, I still think we’ve yet to see the best of him and hope we see it while he’s still with us and has the financial backing to do so.
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Post by vicar on May 16, 2023 9:22:18 GMT
It's been a solid first season back in the football league. A poor start where we obviously shot ourselves in the foot many times and seemed to get punished by one goal margin defeats. However, we soon found our feet and settled in well. I'd say in our recent run of form without many defeats, the performances haven't been top quality though we've managed to grind out results. Play Offs is a great achievement, but my head says we will be in League 2 next season. Injuries to key players have knocked us, though we're still in with a chance. The performances against Hartlepool worries me as we didn't rise to the occasion. Following that up with the Salford performance was frustrating, but we obviously didn't want to concede a second so didn't over commit to pushing on. The 2nd leg will likely open up, but we need EP rocking from the off to set the tone. Atmospheres haven't been great at home, perhaps there's a level of expectation now which we need to shake off. We're in a good place for next season regardless - obvious players to move on and we will see more quality incoming. I agree with what you say and we definitely need to do our bit on Saturday, the atmosphere isn't what it was and we need to change that, we created plenty of chances against Hartlepool and on another day that could have been 4-1, they definitely improved under Askey losing just 3 of the last 13 games, I was sat with 2 Hartlepool fans and they said they'd been playing well but just didn't rise to the occasion when they played Crawley. On Saturday we're the underdogs and we've not been in that position much of late so it'll be interesting to see how we react.
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Post by Lee on May 16, 2023 9:42:53 GMT
I think you know when a team is ready for promotion and have a chance to compete at the next level. Last season everyone knew it should’ve been our time and so much rested on it as a result. For all those devastating p/o defeats in the early 90s I look back and think that we were never really ready for the Championship, compare with 96/97 when it was so clear that we were. In 2007/2008 we were plainly good enough for the next level even though we only did it through the play offs. This season…..the only point where I thought we were really ready was the Walsall away game, as that was such a complete performance, but really I’ve not been convinced since the turn of the year that we’d hold our own at the next level with the players that we have. That sounds mad when we went into the p/o with just one loss in twenty games, but it just hasn’t felt right. 🤷🏻♂️ I agree with this. Even before the Hartlepool game it didn't really feel like a game with quite a lot riding on it, I didn't feel the nerves that I have done in recent similar circumstances, perhaps this was because I was desperate to get out of NL. I think due to the quality of teams this season and the money we have spent that we had an extremely good chance of getting promoted (obviously we still have) but also feel it could be a season too soon. When I think back to our previous League 2 play off, I was adamant before we'd even played the first leg down at Wycombe that we'd win them, we were by far a superior team compared to the others who competed in them that season. Given the recent injury list has properly knackered us up IMO but we're still 90 mins from Wembley, I'm actually confident we can do them on Saturday then if we do make the final, anything can happen. We shall see.
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Post by David Schofield on May 16, 2023 10:00:22 GMT
There’s plenty of better Managers out there; Leam Richardson is a strong candidate for me, track record of winning League One and didn’t run off when Wigan’s finances collapsed so some decency in there too Why..? Probably more to do with DC limitations tbh, he’s a very basic meat & two veg Manager, really effective when things are going well but absolutely clueless about how to change things when they are aren’t (and worse still he’s developed a habit of changing things as soon as we go ahead pushing Akil into defensive midfield which stops us playing altogether) Richardson has had some very interesting articles written about him in the past year or two, his ability to create an attacking team who are also solid defensively Leam Richardson is most famous for putting the cones out for Paul Cook. Their budget at Wigan was massive and it was the same when he had a successful season as the number 1. Eh..? He was Cook’s Assistant Manager and followed him around, but Cook was long gone (following 12 point deduction and relegation) Richardson stayed at Wigan and following a brief spell under John Sheridan he took the Manager’s job, saved them from relegation and went on to win League One the next season; he’s a talent.
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Post by atmosphere on May 16, 2023 10:58:16 GMT
Leam Richardson is most famous for putting the cones out for Paul Cook. Their budget at Wigan was massive and it was the same when he had a successful season as the number 1. Eh..? He was Cook’s Assistant Manager and followed him around, but Cook was long gone (following 12 point deduction and relegation) Richardson stayed at Wigan and following a brief spell under John Sheridan he took the Manager’s job, saved them from relegation and went on to win League One the next season; he’s a talent. He had a very big budget by League One standards.
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Post by David Schofield on May 16, 2023 11:08:14 GMT
Eh..? He was Cook’s Assistant Manager and followed him around, but Cook was long gone (following 12 point deduction and relegation) Richardson stayed at Wigan and following a brief spell under John Sheridan he took the Manager’s job, saved them from relegation and went on to win League One the next season; he’s a talent. He had a very big budget by League One standards. And under the current ownership what do you think he would have here..?
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Post by atmosphere on May 16, 2023 11:56:38 GMT
He had a very big budget by League One standards. And under the current ownership what do you think he would have here..? Not sure, don't think it would be as high as Wigan's was should we get to League One.
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Post by David Schofield on May 16, 2023 12:13:45 GMT
And under the current ownership what do you think he would have here..? Not sure, don't think it would be as high as Wigan's was should we get to League One.
What are you talking about..? Wigan were in Administration when he took over
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 16, 2023 12:31:19 GMT
Not sure, don't think it would be as high as Wigan's was should we get to League One.
What are you talking about..? Wigan were in Administration when he took over I don’t know anything about their budgets but Wigan came out of administration on the 30th of March 2021, the season after is the one they won League One in.
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