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Post by Waldorf on May 16, 2024 15:37:53 GMT
Also, interesting to see from the league ladder above that Bradford both won and lost the 4th division. Bradford Park Avenue top and Bradford City bottom, although it didn't end up like that, with County slipping to 24th by season end. One of 5 occasions in the 28 years of Division 4 that we had to apply for re-election. Fortunately, we had enough friends! Noticed that Hartlepool had to apply for re-election in 11 of the 28 years! How did they get away with that!? Ah, I had assumed that was an end of season chart. Good old County!!
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 16, 2024 16:44:27 GMT
We survived 150 years of league football without VAR and the game was just fine. Goal line technology is great, works (more or less) perfectly and has virtually no impact on the game. If anything, I think the second or two delay where everyone stops and stares at the ref to see if his watch has buzzed is brilliant and enhances things. But VAR is a farce. It won’t get voted against, it’ll be here to stay and we’ll have to put up with it (‘we’ being general football fans). I’m obviously not close enough to know the workings of it and sure it’s too simplistic but the main bone of contention is offsides. Review them, that’s fine but if they’re not clearly visible to the naked eye then leave the infield decision. Again, that’s subjective so potentially not workable but it has ti be better than what we have now. I think for fouls it can work, if somebody swings an elbow into a players face and the VAR picks it up when the ref missed it then that’s a good thing. I think. But the offsides are the problem. Unless there’s a foolproof solution, like goal line technology, just leave it to the liners. I think the offside law is fundamentally broken at the moment anyway. It should be about preventing players gaining an unfair advantage and goal hanging but it’s become much fussier than that. For example Coventry’s disallowed goal in the FA Cup. There was no unfair advantage, since the United defender was actually ahead of the Coventry attacker by the time the ball reached him - but according to the current laws of the game he was offside. Now look at Crawley’s (I think) penultimate goal against Franchise. The player who scored the goal was miles offside when the first pass was played, but because he was behind the ball when the second pass was played he’s classed as not offside when he becomes “active”. He gained an unfair advantage by being offside when the first pass was played, by being well past the defenders, but according to the current laws of the game he was onside. Taking feelings towards franchise and United out of the equation I still think that the first instance was more in the spirit of the game than the latter. But the laws disallow the former and allow the latter. For me I think goal line tech is good. It’s instant and works well for an unambiguous yes or no answer.
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Post by ancienthatter on May 16, 2024 17:10:04 GMT
We survived 150 years of league football without VAR and the game was just fine. Goal line technology is great, works (more or less) perfectly and has virtually no impact on the game. If anything, I think the second or two delay where everyone stops and stares at the ref to see if his watch has buzzed is brilliant and enhances things. But VAR is a farce. It won’t get voted against, it’ll be here to stay and we’ll have to put up with it (‘we’ being general football fans). I’m obviously not close enough to know the workings of it and sure it’s too simplistic but the main bone of contention is offsides. Review them, that’s fine but if they’re not clearly visible to the naked eye then leave the infield decision. Again, that’s subjective so potentially not workable but it has ti be better than what we have now. I think for fouls it can work, if somebody swings an elbow into a players face and the VAR picks it up when the ref missed it then that’s a good thing. I think. But the offsides are the problem. Unless there’s a foolproof solution, like goal line technology, just leave it to the liners. I think the offside law is fundamentally broken at the moment anyway. It should be about preventing players gaining an unfair advantage and goal hanging but it’s become much fussier than that. For example Coventry’s disallowed goal in the FA Cup. There was no unfair advantage, since the United defender was actually ahead of the Coventry attacker by the time the ball reached him - but according to the current laws of the game he was offside. Now look at Crawley’s (I think) penultimate goal against Franchise. The player who scored the goal was miles offside when the first pass was played, but because he was behind the ball when the second pass was played he’s classed as not offside when he becomes “active”. He gained an unfair advantage by being offside when the first pass was played, by being well past the defenders, but according to the current laws of the game he was onside. Taking feelings towards franchise and United out of the equation I still think that the first instance was more in the spirit of the game than the latter. But the laws disallow the former and allow the latter. For me I think goal line tech is good. It’s instant and works well for an unambiguous yes or no answer. I agree. Its the rule that’s causing the problem. We shouldn’t be using VAR to prove that a goal shouldn’t count because a strikers toe was a cm further forward than a full back who’s 25 yards away. That clearly isn’t an unfair advantage and it’s killing instantaneous joy in the game. If the linesman can’t see an unfair advantage and doesn’t flag an offside then we don’t need technology to show that in the blink of an eye the guy was half a toe nail ahead. It’s absolutely f*cking ridiculous. I’d go as far as to say it’s an obscenely unnecessary use of technology in a field of play.
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Post by timberwolf on May 17, 2024 8:24:44 GMT
I think the offside law is fundamentally broken at the moment anyway. It should be about preventing players gaining an unfair advantage and goal hanging but it’s become much fussier than that. For example Coventry’s disallowed goal in the FA Cup. There was no unfair advantage, since the United defender was actually ahead of the Coventry attacker by the time the ball reached him - but according to the current laws of the game he was offside. Now look at Crawley’s (I think) penultimate goal against Franchise. The player who scored the goal was miles offside when the first pass was played, but because he was behind the ball when the second pass was played he’s classed as not offside when he becomes “active”. He gained an unfair advantage by being offside when the first pass was played, by being well past the defenders, but according to the current laws of the game he was onside. Taking feelings towards franchise and United out of the equation I still think that the first instance was more in the spirit of the game than the latter. But the laws disallow the former and allow the latter. For me I think goal line tech is good. It’s instant and works well for an unambiguous yes or no answer. I agree. Its the rule that’s causing the problem. We shouldn’t be using VAR to prove that a goal shouldn’t count because a strikers toe was a cm further forward than a full back who’s 25 yards away. That clearly isn’t an unfair advantage and it’s killing instantaneous joy in the game. If the linesman can’t see an unfair advantage and doesn’t flag an offside then we don’t need technology to show that in the blink of an eye the guy was half a toe nail ahead. It’s absolutely f*cking ridiculous. I’d go as far as to say it’s an obscenely unnecessary use of technology in a field of play. Might be better with a different mindset of using VAR not to discount goals but give reasons to allow them.
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Post by timberwolf on May 17, 2024 8:28:29 GMT
Bradford Park Avenue top and Bradford City bottom, although it didn't end up like that, with County slipping to 24th by season end. One of 5 occasions in the 28 years of Division 4 that we had to apply for re-election. Fortunately, we had enough friends! Noticed that Hartlepool had to apply for re-election in 11 of the 28 years! How did they get away with that!? By what i have heard it was the way the club went out to make friends when clubs visited there ground and got a reputation for being very friendly. Know of one player who actually hated playing up there but admitted they were very friendly lot of people around the club who did there upmost to help.
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Post by vicar on May 19, 2024 15:33:35 GMT
Watching City v West Ham it's a total mismatch, Foden is incredible.
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Post by m14hatter on May 19, 2024 15:37:13 GMT
Watching City v West Ham it's a total mismatch, Foden is incredible. He’s an incredible talent at his peak. Just got to hope Southgate doesn’t waste him in Germany.
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Post by Ngard on May 19, 2024 16:30:18 GMT
City fan in Malaga talking about “going home and away since the 80s” to me - asked me what kit the 99/00 away shirt was.
Politely walked away!
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Post by herbiedumplings on May 19, 2024 16:46:38 GMT
City fan in Malaga talking about “going home and away since the 80s” to me - asked me what kit the 99/00 away shirt was. Politely walked away! That away shirt, or the yellow one? A quick memory refresh shows there’s a yellow one on sale - in Ukraine of all places!
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Post by Bredburyhatter on May 19, 2024 20:24:30 GMT
Watching City v West Ham it's a total mismatch, Foden is incredible. Most exciting English player I've seen for years.
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Post by vicar on May 19, 2024 21:08:31 GMT
Watching City v West Ham it's a total mismatch, Foden is incredible. Most exciting English player I've seen for years. Along with Bellingham, Saka and Kane England should be exciting to watch.
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Post by runtothehills on May 19, 2024 21:18:24 GMT
I'm sure Southgate will manage to make them not exciting to watch!
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Post by mat1scfc on May 19, 2024 21:54:57 GMT
Considering all the fuss about them playing too many games and we should scrap fa Cup replays.
Tottenham are already on there way to Melbourne in Australia to play Newcastle
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Post by herbiedumplings on May 20, 2024 9:39:27 GMT
Watching City v West Ham it's a total mismatch, Foden is incredible. Most exciting English player I've seen for years. Playing for the team responsible for the least exciting iteration of the First Division ever. But heigh-ho. Keep calm and sportswash on…
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Post by Henry Pratt on May 20, 2024 9:51:38 GMT
I think the offside law is fundamentally broken at the moment anyway. It should be about preventing players gaining an unfair advantage and goal hanging but it’s become much fussier than that. For example Coventry’s disallowed goal in the FA Cup. There was no unfair advantage, since the United defender was actually ahead of the Coventry attacker by the time the ball reached him - but according to the current laws of the game he was offside. Now look at Crawley’s (I think) penultimate goal against Franchise. The player who scored the goal was miles offside when the first pass was played, but because he was behind the ball when the second pass was played he’s classed as not offside when he becomes “active”. He gained an unfair advantage by being offside when the first pass was played, by being well past the defenders, but according to the current laws of the game he was onside. Taking feelings towards franchise and United out of the equation I still think that the first instance was more in the spirit of the game than the latter. But the laws disallow the former and allow the latter. For me I think goal line tech is good. It’s instant and works well for an unambiguous yes or no answer. I agree. Its the rule that’s causing the problem. We shouldn’t be using VAR to prove that a goal shouldn’t count because a strikers toe was a cm further forward than a full back who’s 25 yards away. That clearly isn’t an unfair advantage and it’s killing instantaneous joy in the game. If the linesman can’t see an unfair advantage and doesn’t flag an offside then we don’t need technology to show that in the blink of an eye the guy was half a toe nail ahead. It’s absolutely f*cking ridiculous. I’d go as far as to say it’s an obscenely unnecessary use of technology in a field of play I've said before (possibly in here, so apologies if so), that it's absurd to have lines measuring millimetres when you can see - often in the same shot - that the cameras are not precise enough to freeze the ball without it being elongated into a sausage shape. So the precise point of impact is only being estimated anyway. I'm with most others - use VAR for penalties (great example yesterday when the Crewe player dived, the cheating employee-of-nonce-apologists get, and the initial penalty award was rightly overturned) and keep goal line technology, but give offsides back to linesmen. Pre-VAR, they got very very few wrong (in fact, they were incredibly skilled, especially at the top level), and to correct that tiny fraction of mistakes, we've created a monster. The vote to get rid will be lost, though, make no mistake.
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