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Post by timberwolf on May 16, 2024 8:17:29 GMT
We survived 150 years of league football without VAR and the game was just fine. Goal line technology is great, works (more or less) perfectly and has virtually no impact on the game. If anything, I think the second or two delay where everyone stops and stares at the ref to see if his watch has buzzed is brilliant and enhances things. But VAR is a farce. It won’t get voted against, it’ll be here to stay and we’ll have to put up with it (‘we’ being general football fans). I’m obviously not close enough to know the workings of it and sure it’s too simplistic but the main bone of contention is offsides. Review them, that’s fine but if they’re not clearly visible to the naked eye then leave the infield decision. Again, that’s subjective so potentially not workable but it has ti be better than what we have now. I think for fouls it can work, if somebody swings an elbow into a players face and the VAR picks it up when the ref missed it then that’s a good thing. I think. But the offsides are the problem. Unless there’s a foolproof solution, like goal line technology, just leave it to the liners. This total obsession about one single law of the game where fractions of an inch is taken into account just spoils the game. Doubt there are very few obvious off side decisions missed by linesmen but many more other laws are broken that all three officials will miss. At one time most of other european clubs thought we were obsessed by off side and just wonder if this is still the case. Its not just at the level where VAR exists but right down to sunday league parks level where as a ref with a number of clubs your match performance is gauged more on getting off side decisions correct than other aspects of the game.
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Post by atmosphere on May 16, 2024 8:20:08 GMT
I always say the lino makes mistakes but about 95% of the "wrong calls" that they used to expose on Match Of the Day or after the game etc are ones where they may be just offside, they're not really gaining an advantage.
The offside law is to stop people goal hanging, not to forensecially examine if someone's toe was offside.
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Post by Henry Pratt on May 16, 2024 8:26:17 GMT
I know we like to grumble about the quality of journalism these days, but since when is it “Nottm Forest”? It’s not even as though it’s quicker to type or takes up less space on a page than “Notts Forest”! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/czq5yvwwjgnt they hate being called "Notts forest" and it's reserved for "Notts County" of which it is there actual name I use Notts Forest whenever I can. Petty and fun. Similarly, Wolves don't play in Old Gold, they play in orange. Blackpool don't play in tangerine, they play in orange.
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Post by Henry Pratt on May 16, 2024 8:31:36 GMT
Some very old and long gone foes in those lists. Blimey. Workington. I can't believe they were in the Third Tier. Done a few gigs in Workington (became a bit of a locals favourite at one particular metal/punk venue). Great memories of parking my campervan in a Vet carpark overnight and after a heavy night clubbing like youngsters, coming back and our guitarist bringing dog shit into the van and spreading it pretty much over the entire interior. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times Inadvertently via his shoe, I presume/hope? Would hate to think he did it as some kind of art piece.
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Post by Imposter on May 16, 2024 8:32:14 GMT
they hate being called "Notts forest" and it's reserved for "Notts County" of which it is there actual name I use Notts Forest whenever I can. Petty and fun. Similarly, Wolves don't play in Old Gold, they play in orange. Blackpool don't play in tangerine, they play in orange. Wolves play in yellow 😉
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Post by Henry Pratt on May 16, 2024 8:32:24 GMT
I’m sure that was never a thing back in the days of Grandstand and what have you, when they telly while I was watching it. But why not just “Forest” then, if you want to type it out quicker? It’s not like English football is swimming with clubs using that name… I'd take that as definitive for Notts F if they didn't have County in red!
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Post by Henry Pratt on May 16, 2024 8:37:01 GMT
I use Notts Forest whenever I can. Petty and fun. Similarly, Wolves don't play in Old Gold, they play in orange. Blackpool don't play in tangerine, they play in orange. Wolves play in yellow 😉 Yes. Was thinking ahead and typed orange twice. I could go back and edit it, but that would be unfair. As long as we're agree it's not "old gold". Ooh, hark at me, I play in owld gowld. No more buttered scones for me, mater. I'm orf to play the grand piano.
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Post by timberwolf on May 16, 2024 9:06:18 GMT
I use Notts Forest whenever I can. Petty and fun. Similarly, Wolves don't play in Old Gold, they play in orange. Blackpool don't play in tangerine, they play in orange. Wolves play in yellow 😉 Always wondered what was the difference in Old Gold to New Gold or at one time Wolves kit should really have been called tarnished gold in the late 80,s and early 90,s.
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Post by topcat99 on May 16, 2024 11:07:39 GMT
Always wondered what was the difference in Old Gold to New Gold or at one time Wolves kit should really have been called tarnished gold in the late 80,s and early 90,s. Old Gold is sort of a “Burnt Orange “ type of colour. Wolves played in it up until the 1960s. They had revival of the colour about 25 years ago for a couple of seasons. (Looked up on Mr. Google). Also, Good on them for at least trying to get rid of VAR. Forlorn hope though I think.
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Post by stockytwo on May 16, 2024 11:18:49 GMT
The offside law is to stop people goal hanging, not to forensecially examine if someone's toe was offside. Agreed, although the semi automated VAR that they use in the champions league seems to work really well. It's quick and it gets the right decisions. There's always going to be borderline calls but if the decision is made in real time without messing about drawing lines on a screen after the goal has been scored then that's absolutely fine in my eyes. I'd be happy if they just used the semi automated VAR for offsides and the ref calls everything else. Perhaps with a 4th official watching on the screen for crazy off the ball stuff like Zidane style headbutts.
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Post by Waldorf on May 16, 2024 11:34:57 GMT
If it gets voted through, it'd be hilarious if Wolves went down last game of next season, via a decision that VAR would have overturned.
Hilarious.
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Post by Waldorf on May 16, 2024 11:36:45 GMT
Also, interesting to see from the league ladder above that Bradford both won and lost the 4th division.
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Post by Duncan McOchin on May 16, 2024 13:07:51 GMT
If it gets voted through, it'd be hilarious if Wolves went down last game of next season, via a decision that VAR would have overturned. Hilarious. Or an identical incident could be decided the other way and keep them up, you never know how it's going to turn out until it happens, basically we've got quantum referees.
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Post by bigmartin on May 16, 2024 14:31:06 GMT
Blimey. Workington. I can't believe they were in the Third Tier. Done a few gigs in Workington (became a bit of a locals favourite at one particular metal/punk venue). Great memories of parking my campervan in a Vet carpark overnight and after a heavy night clubbing like youngsters, coming back and our guitarist bringing dog shit into the van and spreading it pretty much over the entire interior. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times Inadvertently via his shoe, I presume/hope? Would hate to think he did it as some kind of art piece. Shoes. He was notorious for it. In fact, it was drawn onto our album art cover as a nod to it (Neil, on the left, dogshit for shoes)...
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Post by FridoBiggins on May 16, 2024 14:43:42 GMT
Also, interesting to see from the league ladder above that Bradford both won and lost the 4th division. Bradford Park Avenue top and Bradford City bottom, although it didn't end up like that, with County slipping to 24th by season end. One of 5 occasions in the 28 years of Division 4 that we had to apply for re-election. Fortunately, we had enough friends! Noticed that Hartlepool had to apply for re-election in 11 of the 28 years! How did they get away with that!?
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