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Post by sbcounty on Apr 2, 2024 9:16:30 GMT
Yes, a few passes went astray, but he's always trying to find something unpredictable, and it doesn't always come off. He gets applause rightly when he finds a pass that no-one else would. Also his comfort on the ball, which gives him the ability to make time and space for himself, is great to watch. Plus strength in the air and strong tackles. That's why I thought he was our best player until he went off. He does look comfortable on the ball. His most infuriating attribute is that he seems to be shot shy. Could have had a few more cracks on goal yesterday from decent positions. I was hoping for more goals from him - especially from the edge of the area. If we win both our next two games Sutton and Colchester and Barrow drop three points in their next two then we would get promotion at Colchester.
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Post by gibbo on Apr 2, 2024 9:20:42 GMT
If we win both our next two games Sutton and Colchester and Barrow drop three points in their next two then we would get promotion at Colchester. Barrow just drawing one of their next 2 would mean we're effectively Promoted after Colchester, only missing the formality of the 'P' next to our name in the League Table.
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Post by Lee on Apr 2, 2024 9:21:52 GMT
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Post by girojim on Apr 2, 2024 9:37:30 GMT
Fully agree, he was a right handfull. Had the pace over Horsfall every time. I was glad when he went off as he looked dangerous.
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Post by redhatter on Apr 2, 2024 9:39:45 GMT
I don't want this to drag on any more but... for the record... I'm not a "Touray-hater". I backed him a lot longer than most on here pointing out he was the highest assist-er in the team (as he has been in the league for pretty much the whole season) and that he had obvious pedigree being in the L2 TOTS previously; just like Horsfall when some doubted him early. And just like Horsfall when he first started in a shakey defence, I think he's been a victim of his surroundings, as well as played out of position a lot. I sympathise with DC though as, on paper, he has all the attributes for an excellent LCB. That's what DC signed him for and he's been very vocal about liking his full/wingbacks to get forward. The difference to Horsfall is that it really rocked his confidence and, attacking-wise, you need that in his role. That's been exacerbated further with the whole team playing too safe lately and the lack of threat down the other side without MSH. Moving on to yesterday... that's exactly what we saw in the half. He wasn't good imo but then none of the team were - maybe with the exception of Powell but he was coming too deep (though I think that was more out of frustration. Camps had his worst game in ages). As DC said, we stunk the place out. Gone was the confidence of MK and FGR and the ability to break teams down playing little triangles. We looked devoid of ideas and, whether intentionally or not, slipped into a back 3 with Touray LWB and CLE RWB. That has been proven time and time again not to work - especially against an organised defence. They just sat in their shape, let us go wide and then pressed the wide player who, having no options in front of them and no pace to beat man, inevitably went backwards. Touray saw lots of the ball (and credit to him for showing more than CLE) because that's how they wanted it. Besides a good corner, he (and the rest of the team), offered 0 threat. Yep, he solid defensively, but what we needed in that moment was creativity and pace out wide. Not his fault; DC's for setting us up that way or not getting instructions on the field to say it's back 4 and for Knoyle and the midfield to push on. No Tanto made it even worse as that took away the easy option of giving him something to chase and let them push up to shrink the pitch. They played a fairly high line imo, even with Johnson and Lewis, as we had nothing in behind to hurt them. Sarcevic on was an improvement but for me DC should have been more decisive and brought on Tanto at HT (understandable though if he is carrying a knock). Once he came on, then the defence had something to think about. Bailey and Sarcevic started trying to pick up pockets and suddenly Touray had options in front of him and it wasn't all on him to make something happen (which isn't his game). Then he took on his man 1v1 (which he needs to do more) and whipped in a beauty and found the assist for the goal with a lovely throughball - admittedly on the other side. Defensively he was good all game, though had little 1v1 /open play defending to do. With a bit of confidence and a confident team around him, I think he's a very good LB. He's proven that at this level. He isn't a LWB though as he was played in the first half/60 mins. He's also more defensive than what DC prefers at full/wingback so needs support ahead of him and, ideally, a threat down the other side. He's much better defensively though than, say, Bristow. And thankfully we're best suited to a 4-4-2 diamond so there's a clear role for him. Anyways, I should probably stop typing but.... I think a lot is perception. Yesterday's result gave us so much to be cheerful for; a win in general does. However, it wasn't a good performance imo. Yes, they came as destroyers but ultimately their gameplan won. They so nearly took a point and it could easily have been 3. We created so little, 2 SOTs, 0.38xG. It became a game of moments - a mistake, set piece or piece of brilliance. Thankfully the latter went for us but they missed a pen and every long throw caused chaos. We didn't play well and maximise our chances of winning that game. Play that 10x and we probably draw most and lose as many as we win. It reminds me of poker when sometimes the winning play for a hand isn't a good one and in the longrun will lose you money. The analogy falls apart a little as it's human intervention/skill that scored for us and missed their pen, not pure chance and a turn of a card. See Swindon and Gils though for what game could have easily become. As DC knows - that was a great result but bad performance (he comes right now and says that we didn't deserve to win the game) so I'm not going to be raving about anyone. It really frustrated me as I didn't think we played to our strengths. Listening to DC's postmatch, I think that's where we depart as he's very much - keep a clean sheet and you give yourself the best possible chance of a win. It's hard to argue with that but I think this side is best as a front foot, out score you type - not a shutout and grab a goal team (as other County teams have been). That's what got me and seeing the mistakes (imo) of our slump repeated in such a big game. Still did about 5 fist pumps to myself last night and have a massive smile on my face this morning! The end. A very considered opinion. Currently I think we are better in a 4-4-2 for reasons laid out above and would like to see Hipo ahead of Touray to give him somebody to play with. A lot seem to rate Powell yesterday. Whilst he put some great challenges, I thought a lot of his passes went awry. A big shout out to CLe who had scraps to feed on but won a lot of ball in the air for a little feller up against a big beefy Wimbledon team. "Ladies and Gentleman, England will be playing 4 - 4 - f**king 2" - Mike Bassett, England Manager
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Post by Bahamas67 on Apr 2, 2024 9:40:54 GMT
Fully agree, he was a right handfull. Had the pace over Horsfall every time. I was glad when he went off as he looked dangerous. So was I! Their most dangerous player by some distance.
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Post by gibbo on Apr 2, 2024 9:52:08 GMT
If we win both our next two games Sutton and Colchester and Barrow drop three points in their next two then we would get promotion at Colchester. Could actually do it this Saturday if I'm reading the Table correctly?
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Post by atmosphere on Apr 2, 2024 9:52:51 GMT
Played against us for Carlisle in the Play Off Final last May,
Yesterday was a great win, not cheered a goal like Bailey's for ages, fantastic finish to win a game we probably didn't really deserve to but that's what good teams do. Wimbledon have taken lots and lots of points of our rivals this season and you can see why. For us to get 6 points off them has been a very, very good return.
I thought Ryan Johnson had a great game for them..
We didn't have many stand out performers but I'd go for Horsfall for keeping Bugiel quiet, I thought the penalty was a very unlucky situation really. I can see why it was given though.
I was really surprised we didn't bring Olaofe on sooner, I thought their back three including Lewis and Johnson had Wootton in their pockets tbh. I still can't see Wootton doing much for us if we get to League One, unfortunatley. Doesn't have enough to his game.
Massive win really, other results great, just got to keep digging out a few more wins and we'll be up.
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Post by wnm on Apr 2, 2024 9:53:34 GMT
You seen his goal record? L1: 14 apps - 0 goals L2: 31 apps - 3 goals That’s not a striker I want be signing.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 2, 2024 10:16:43 GMT
I was really surprised we didn't bring Olaofe on sooner, I thought their back three including Lewis and Johnson had Wootton in their pockets tbh. I still can't see Wootton doing much for us if we get to League One, unfortunatley. Doesn't have enough to his game.
Massive win really, other results great, just got to keep digging out a few more wins and we'll be up.
Wootton was the type of player ryan johnson alwayslooked comfortable against when he played for us. Its a pity though that i agree about him as a div.1 player but certainly has a decent value in the transfer market if we want to move him on.
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Post by bristolhatter on Apr 2, 2024 10:45:36 GMT
If we win both our next two games Sutton and Colchester and Barrow drop three points in their next two then we would get promotion at Colchester. Could actually do it this Saturday if I'm reading the Table correctly? If we win and MK lose this weekend they'd be 9 points behind with 3 to play so could still technically catch us. Similarly, if Barrow lost, they'd be 13 points behind with 5 left to play. To get promoted at Colchester, we'd need to win both games and hope Barrow lose on Saturday and MK only pick up a point.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 2, 2024 10:56:39 GMT
Could actually do it this Saturday if I'm reading the Table correctly? If we win and MK lose this weekend they'd be 9 points behind with 3 to play so could still technically catch us. Similarly, if Barrow lost, they'd be 13 points behind with 5 left to play. To get promoted at Colchester, we'd need to win both games and hope Barrow lose on Saturday and MK only pick up a point. Just hope we can do it at a home game with everyone present. If we did it away with a few hundred there its like winning something after a defeat and your nearest challenger does the same.
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Post by albybeliever on Apr 2, 2024 12:47:44 GMT
Yeah BBM. Come on here afterwards and be wise after the fact like Reckless. You give updates during game time, thats probably why you miss good points /BBM's updates on here are one of the most useful things on the board. I tend to check them before County Twitter or Sam Byrne's. Even where I disagree, which is uncommon, his view tends to be well thought through and balanced. There's definitely an argument for doing full analysis once the heat of the game has dissipated, but no need to denigrate people that post sensible and thoughtful stuff on here in real time.
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Post by albybeliever on Apr 2, 2024 12:58:26 GMT
Touray, thought was excellent defensively and also provided the moment of quality for the goal, saw plenty of the ball 1st half but was left so isolated by Madden and Camps he was crying out for players get closer to him there, we know he isnt the marauding full back type so he needs someone come short for him play those triangles to work him into space not sure can blame him too much 1st half we didnt help him out at all, 2nd half managed get few players around him to act as decoys or use and he showed up more effectively with some telling crosses one. That's the crux of it to me. I thought Touray was good yesterday - one of our best players. But I also agree with wnm that we didn't move the ball quickly enough or do enough to stretch them out of their (very well-organised) shape, and that a Rydel/MSH type would have been helpful in doing so. But, for me, that's not on Touray - as slomas says, he's not got MSH's pace or Hippo's trickery, so he needs players close to him to work him into space. We did that better in the second half, but I think it's revealing that the goal came once he'd been put on side where both Bailey and CLE were drifting. For the remaining games of the season, I'd like to see a much clearer structure to the midfield to create overloads, with a diamond comprised of Camps/Croasdale, Bailey/Hippo on the left, CLE/Collar/Sarcevic on the right and Powell/Sarcevic as the ten. Yesterday we had too many players looking to drop deep and pick up the ball (Powell, Camps, Madden, Richards) and not enough stretching the defence or creating triangles out wide. Would much rather have Bailey and CLE on their 'strong' sides of the diamond to do more of this (though accept, of course, that the goal came from Bailey cutting inside onto his stronger foot. Although that's a counterargument, I don't think his overall performance was - he looked uncomfortable and it felt like he and CLE wanted to occupy the same spaces).
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Apr 2, 2024 15:44:02 GMT
You give updates during game time, thats probably why you miss good points /BBM's updates on here are one of the most useful things on the board. I tend to check them before County Twitter or Sam Byrne's. Even where I disagree, which is uncommon, his view tends to be well thought through and balanced. There's definitely an argument for doing full analysis once the heat of the game has dissipated, but no need to denigrate people that post sensible and thoughtful stuff on here in real time. Happy to provide a public service! If they are ever too much like spam, please someone do call me up on it. It's quite therapeutic and it's interesting to hear whether others agree, but I'm still striking the balance of not missing any of the game or lessening any enjoyment of moments like Bailey's goal. Therefore excuse the typos!
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