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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 20:18:18 GMT
Agreed. Steve Bellis once told me, (does that make me ITK?) not long after it had been built that the next part of the plan was a nearly identical version at the Railway End but with a real upper tier, followed by the same on the pop side and eventually main stand. The corners would be filled in but the corners at the CE left open. Supposedly there was at least preliminary drawings made looking into how the pop side could be built backwards on raised legs. It could and I'm reasonably certain is an apocryphal tale. There were definitely long term plans for what you describe, because I've seen them. When the Cheadle End planning permission was going through, I went to look at the plans at the council, and they did relate to all four sides, as I recall (certainly three anyway - CE, Pop and Railway). As well as the plans, there was even a model of the Cheadle End, about two feet high, on display. I don't know whether it was to save money, or what, but they'd also had further plans drawn up for the rest of the ground - I assume this is what SB talked to you about. I don't remember legs on the Pop Side, but if you look at the ground from above you can see that the stand would either have to be slightly odd shaped or maybe be on legs at the reservoir end of it, if it was to go the full width, due to one of the reservoirs being in the way. Interestingly, the stand for which they got planning permission wasn't the one that ended up built. The design on the plan was quite different - the roof wasn't supported by the current red "goalposts" but seemed to have pillars, albeit smallish ones, towards the back. I remember talking to David Jolley as the Cheadle End went up, and I mentioned the plans had changed and he came over all defensive - "no they haven't!" I went on to say that I approved of the change, because there would now be no posts in the way, and he mellowed a bit. I did wonder at the time whether they'd had any grief for building something slightly different to the plans, though. One final point that's worth remembering is that when the Pop Side was seated in 93-94, they didn't just bolt seats on, but reprofiled the stand, meaning what's there now wouldn't have to be replaced if a second tier went on. This would, I was lead to believe at the time, mean that a new second tier would cost a lot less than the second tier of a completely new stand, because foundations, etc, are already in place, as is what would effectively become the bottom tier. Worth noting whenever you hear cost-based arguments for flitting. Having the Pop Side slightly smaller at the CE end (due to the reservoir) would give it a proper unique look, if an Upper Tier got added to it. It would mean a drop in capacity if the legs weren't built, but in an age where new stands look painfully boring, I think it'd look good.
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Post by suedehead on Jan 15, 2014 20:40:29 GMT
I think we should have an off-centre stand behind the goal like Swansea used to have: ![](http://www.footballgroundguide.com/old-grounds-and-stands/swansea43.jpg)
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Post by brads on Jan 15, 2014 20:48:49 GMT
Tolka Park. Weird. ![](//storage.proboards.com/5458784/thumbnailer/euma1Uzb4YGMou0ewRIL.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 20:52:03 GMT
I think that's a bit too much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 21:27:11 GMT
Wasn't the scoreboard from Sheff Utd? I remember some talk of it malfunctioning occasionally and reading 'Come on you Blades', never saw it with my own eyes though. I think someone is winding you up. The scoreboard I'm 99℅ sure came from Ewood park.
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Post by BWScarf on Jan 15, 2014 23:59:08 GMT
So some important questions I've always wondered about EP: 1. Where did the original scoreboard come from? Is it true it came from Villa Park? And why has it never worked properly? Surely it's not a complicated piece of kit to control? What happened to the amusing cartoons we used to have on it? 2. The Cheadle End is very functionally designed, with no extra flourishes, except for a random bit of steel work at an angle over the ticket office. Was this purely to hold the 'tickets' sign? It seems a bit of effort and is oddly placed. 3. For the typographers here, what is the typeface used for the Stockport County AFC on the main stand? All important questions I think you'll agree. Any ideas? Or further strange things you've noticed at EP (excluding players, fans, officials and CEOs) 1. Original one came from Bramall Lane. That's not there any more though; it was replaced the season we were taken over by the 2015 Group (HA!). The new one doesn't have the capability to do animation, hence no cartoons. 2. The steel frame is a crash barrier; it's to stop someone driving a lorry into the ticket office and robbing it. 3. There isn't one. It was handmade.
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Post by vicar on Jan 16, 2014 7:59:12 GMT
Wasn't the scoreboard from Sheff Utd? I remember some talk of it malfunctioning occasionally and reading 'Come on you Blades', never saw it with my own eyes though. I think someone is winding you up. The scoreboard I'm 99℅ sure came from Ewood park. It did come from Ewood Park.
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Post by furballxl5 on Jan 16, 2014 8:19:38 GMT
Am I right in thinking way back in the early 90's one side used to show the time remaining and the other side showed SCFC?
I was also told once the floodlights were partially funded by Cify. A reason was never given though.
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Post by vicar on Jan 16, 2014 12:32:49 GMT
Am I right in thinking way back in the early 90's one side used to show the time remaining and the other side showed SCFC? I was also told once the floodlights were partially funded by Cify. A reason was never given though. The previous set of floodlights were bought from City after they renewed theirs at Maine Road.
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Post by bobsplash on Jan 16, 2014 12:48:38 GMT
The typeface on the main stand isn't a typeface at all. I actually did some research into it a couple of years ago. It was common when the stand was built for no particular typeface to be used but more a generic style. The club should get a typeface of its own designed, based on those letters. It wouldn't even be that expensive. It could then be used in and around the ground. I think Arsenal did something similar with the Emirates using Highbury as inspiration. And that big ugly metal structure in front of the ticket office is a strange one. I've heard it was put there to deter ram raiders, which seems odd to me. What about those red dots? They're weird. Yeah, I heard that the metal structure is to deter ram raiders too.....also heard that the red dots were originally meant to be windows? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/5458784/images/TQqyCZp7Z50STcG9J5ly.gif) !!!! Not sure if there is any truth in that though. I remember the scoreboard used to have a ref wagging his finger at a player if there was a booking ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/5458784/images/Ro0jMy9sPIwrI1ZyS4bK.gif)
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Post by vicar on Jan 16, 2014 19:42:54 GMT
The typeface on the main stand isn't a typeface at all. I actually did some research into it a couple of years ago. It was common when the stand was built for no particular typeface to be used but more a generic style. The club should get a typeface of its own designed, based on those letters. It wouldn't even be that expensive. It could then be used in and around the ground. I think Arsenal did something similar with the Emirates using Highbury as inspiration. And that big ugly metal structure in front of the ticket office is a strange one. I've heard it was put there to deter ram raiders, which seems odd to me. What about those red dots? They're weird. Yeah, I heard that the metal structure is to deter ram raiders too.....also heard that the red dots were originally meant to be windows? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/5458784/images/TQqyCZp7Z50STcG9J5ly.gif) !!!! Not sure if there is any truth in that though. I remember the scoreboard used to have a ref wagging his finger at a player if there was a booking ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/5458784/images/Ro0jMy9sPIwrI1ZyS4bK.gif) The Steel structure is something designed to organise queuing and I think the red dots were originally meant to have been lettered A, B, C etc. which was intended to indicate where people were meant to park but I might be wrong.
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