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Post by oakwoodbank on May 31, 2020 18:43:43 GMT
I think that I am right in assuming that the no system has been devised to determine how next season should start if it is decided to take into consideration how teams fared in the unfinished one.
So, here is a suggestion.
For each team add the number of goals scored during the season to the points obtained at its end. Then divide that by 10. That number would then be used as the starting point at the beginning of the next season. There is already a precedent for adjusting points for any team; one that is used to deduct points for an infringement of rules.
In County’s case that would mean 51 (goals) + 58 (points) = 109
Divide 109 by 10 and that would give County starting points of 11.
To clarify, if the number of points was less than a whole number when calculated this way, then the usual system could be used whereby if the number after the decimal point was 5 or above – then the next whole number up would be used. If lower, then the number before the decimal point would be used.
For instance; County at 10.9 would be 11.
Another team at 10.3 would be 10.
{ this is the number that would apply to Solihull Moors - using this system}
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Post by DaveLong79 on May 31, 2020 18:47:13 GMT
Why? Can't everyone just start on zero, like usual? This just feels like overthinking things too much and as we've seen the FA has made a complete mess of resolving this season.
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Post by ebbs on May 31, 2020 18:52:29 GMT
Anglesey must be quiet during lockdown Oaky.
I'm not sure that we need to have a carry over. It would just generate more arguments I.e. had you played all the top teams compared with others etc.
I think we have to accept that the season is written off, very harsh on Barrow, but their manager was I think the first to suggest this had to happen.
It's 1st June tomorrow. To me the challenge is to give us a 20/21 season.
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Post by BWScarf on May 31, 2020 19:34:13 GMT
I think that I am right in assuming that the no system has been devised to determine how next season should start if it is decided to take into consideration how teams fared in the unfinished one. So, here is a suggestion. For each team add the number of goals scored during the season to the points obtained at its end. Then divide that by 10. That number would then be used as the starting point at the beginning of the next season. There is already a precedent for adjusting points for any team; one that is used to deduct points for an infringement of rules. In County’s case that would mean 51 (goals) + 58 (points) = 109 Divide 109 by 10 and that would give County starting points of 11. To clarify, if the number of points was less than a whole number when calculated this way, then the usual system could be used whereby if the number after the decimal point was 5 or above – then the next whole number up would be used. If lower, then the number before the decimal point would be used. For instance; County at 10.9 would be 11. Another team at 10.3 would be 10. { this is the number that would apply to Solihull Moors - using this system} That's an interesting suggestion. I'm not sure I agree with it, but I can see the logic (and it's the kind of thinking which is desperately lacking in the game). Football clubs, leagues and authorities were given a terrible hand of cards a few months ago, and they've played them dreadfully. But I think now we have to deal with the situation we find ourselves in. I think it's likely we end up with Stevenage or Macclesfield in this division, and only Barrow up. There's a case to be made, because it's been such a shambles, that there should be no movement between leagues, but I just can't see that happening. The Football League needs to make up its numbers to replace Bury. That means taking a team from Non-League. If we lose a team from the National League, we then have to find one as well (or run with a 23-team league, which is a nightmare and takes away revenue from clubs). But then trying to choose between York, King's Lynn, Wealdstone etc. is another nightmare. So then the simplest solution becomes some kind of structured movement. And higher up the chain, the teams top of the Championship will want their chance in the Premier League. The likes of Coventry will be pushing for moving into the Championship, and so on. I think Stevenage's proposal of no relegation this season and three up/down next year is an attractive proposition for us, but it creates and imbalance. And in general, Jim Rodwell, the Sunderland CEO, makes a very good point: set a precedent for clubs being allowed to cancel/end seasons because they don't want to carry on at your peril. Ditto not having promotion. Give an inch... Edit: I realise I forgot to deal with your original point. What I meant to say is regardless of how we get there, when we start a new season, I think it probably has to be with everyone on 0 points. It goes against every sporting instinct in the book, but because of the awful way all this has been handled, I don’t think there’s a way out of it that doesn’t screw the wrong people over. The poor teams from this season just have to get away with it, and with any luck, those who ought to have been relegated this season will suffer the same fate next time around, if there’s no movement. |
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Post by philtheglass on May 31, 2020 20:26:22 GMT
Lets just put this season to bed & prepare for 20/21
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Post by BWScarf on May 31, 2020 20:53:22 GMT
Lets just put this season to bed & prepare for 20/21 I think everyone knows that, but how you ‘put it to bed’ matters. |
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Post by hatter82 on May 31, 2020 21:36:40 GMT
What a weird idea. Just do points per game and put it to bed and start a fresh next season.
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Post by heatonhatter on Jun 1, 2020 7:17:52 GMT
I'm far more worried about how we start next season than how we finish the last one.
How can non-league football be viable without crowds?
If we can't get started, how long until clubs start folding?
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 1, 2020 7:46:00 GMT
I'm far more worried about how we start next season than how we finish the last one. How can non-league football be viable without crowds? it is not viable but there is still 3 months to go before september when we could start. so many changes have happened during the last three weeks never mind three months in the future. need to be positive at this time. |
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Post by CB1883 on Jun 1, 2020 8:28:41 GMT
Definitely not. One season being impacted is enough, let’s hope the 2020/21 season is only delayed and no other issues arise.
Unfortunately there’s no solution to the ‘many clubs need the revenue generated by the fans to survive’ issue. We have to ride the storm as we are and wait for it to pass or drop to a mild wind where folk can start heading back out.
I think players are going to be in for a shock. Their wages will drop drastically for the foreseeable (you could argue that it’s not a bad thing as things are currently out of hand). I think we’ll see a lot of contracted players head out on loan so that clubs who are short of funds can get a percentage of their wages in.
Very few clubs will benefit from the situation but fingers crossed this hasn’t altered Stott’s plans too much because I think we could be one of those that can benefit massively.
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 1, 2020 9:58:51 GMT
Very few clubs will benefit from the situation but fingers crossed this hasn’t altered Stott’s plans too much because I think we could be one of those that can benefit massively. yes, its going to be a case of which clubs have been impacted the least since the virus popped up. there seems to be clubs coming out with gloom and doom on a regular basis now and hartlepool last week were asking fans and businesses to contribute 200,000 quid for each of the next 4 seasons towards their player budget. |
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Post by BWScarf on Jun 1, 2020 22:43:19 GMT
Very few clubs will benefit from the situation but fingers crossed this hasn’t altered Stott’s plans too much because I think we could be one of those that can benefit massively. yes, its going to be a case of which clubs have been impacted the least since the virus popped up. there seems to be clubs coming out with gloom and doom on a regular basis now and hartlepool last week were asking fans and businesses to contribute 200,000 quid for each of the next 4 seasons towards their player budget. Speaking of Hartlepool, I see Mark Maguire is out on his ear. |
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 2, 2020 9:04:20 GMT
Speaking of Hartlepool, I see Mark Maguire is out on his ear. yes, by mutual consent or as it should say here is your pay off and keep your mouth shut about it. |
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