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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Jun 17, 2020 23:05:36 GMT
Based completely on anecdotal evidence and what I see on social media, I get the feeling that the tide might be turning. Many of those that appeared to vote conservative to get brexit done, seem to being seeing this government for what they are. It’s just a shame we have to wait so long until we get the chance to remove them We remain in the grip of the Pandemic and are just over 6 months away from possibly severing all links with Europe. Now isn't the time to let them off the hook and allow them to pass the buck. Even Tories i know reckon that Johnson is too reactive rather than proactive. They agree that each and every relaxation of lockdown rules has left more questions than answers and reckon the Cummings debacle was a break in the continuity culminating in his address to the nation on a Sunday evening giving a few hours notice of a return to work for thousands of people (he later changed it to the Wednesday). No doubt the "could be worse" brigade will emerge sooner or later.
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Post by Bilby on Jun 18, 2020 0:40:25 GMT
Based completely on anecdotal evidence and what I see on social media, I get the feeling that the tide might be turning. Many of those that appeared to vote conservative to get brexit done, seem to being seeing this government for what they are. It’s just a shame we have to wait so long until we get the chance to remove them We remain in the grip of the Pandemic and are just over 6 months away from possibly severing all links with Europe. Now isn't the time to let them off the hook and allow them to pass the buck. Even Tories i know reckon that Johnson is too reactive rather than proactive. They agree that each and every relaxation of lockdown rules has left more questions than answers and reckon the Cummings debacle was a break in the continuity culminating in his address to the nation on a Sunday evening giving a few hours notice of a return to work for thousands of people (he later changed it to the Wednesday). No doubt the "could be worse" brigade will emerge sooner or later. /new_bumper_book_of_government_waste_exposes_120_billion_of_wasteful_spending
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Post by suedehead on Jun 18, 2020 5:14:29 GMT
Based completely on anecdotal evidence and what I see on social media, I get the feeling that the tide might be turning. Many of those that appeared to vote conservative to get brexit done, seem to being seeing this government for what they are. It’s just a shame we have to wait so long until we get the chance to remove them We remain in the grip of the Pandemic and are just over 6 months away from possibly severing all links with Europe. Now isn't the time to let them off the hook and allow them to pass the buck. Even Tories i know reckon that Johnson is too reactive rather than proactive. They agree that each and every relaxation of lockdown rules has left more questions than answers and reckon the Cummings debacle was a break in the continuity culminating in his address to the nation on a Sunday evening giving a few hours notice of a return to work for thousands of people (he later changed it to the Wednesday). No doubt the "could be worse" brigade will emerge sooner or later. Yeah, but ‘what would Corbyn have done?’ is about the level of scrutiny you’ll get from a lot of the Tory head in sand brigade 🙄🤦♂️
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Post by Jack on Jun 18, 2020 6:12:34 GMT
Deborah Meaden was saying on Twitter When was this put out to tender? Who have they awarded the contract too? It costs £100k max to paint a plane, what is the other £800k going on
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Post by Mozzer on Jun 18, 2020 6:25:22 GMT
I saw something yesterday saying that this plane generally has other roles, primarily for the RAF, and that if you start painting them in colours unsuited to those roles they can't be used and therefore there is an additional cost in hiring other planes to do those same jobs. Essentially part of the cost is not down to the doing the work, but the impact of having the work done.
Irrespective, I'm not sure if Johnson The Liar genuinely thinks giving a plane a paint job is somehow going to blind people to what an embarrassment we now are or not. It's so hard to tell when someone is both utterly f*cking hopeless and a massive bullshitter.
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Post by vicar on Jun 18, 2020 7:23:50 GMT
Deborah Meaden was saying on Twitter When was this put out to tender? Who have they awarded the contract too? It costs £100k max to paint a plane, what is the other £800k going on It's like the ferry contract to a company with no ferries which resulted in compensation being paid to an actual ferry company, then there was the contract with a vacuum cleaner maker based in Malaysia to make ventilators even though they'd never made any but he was a big supporter of brexit.
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Post by hedleyverity on Jun 18, 2020 8:52:10 GMT
There's also the Conservative party treasurer who donates millions to the party but can't find the money to pay his taxes
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 10:05:52 GMT
Deborah Meaden was saying on Twitter When was this put out to tender? Who have they awarded the contract too? It costs £100k max to paint a plane, what is the other £800k going on It's like the ferry contract to a company with no ferries which resulted in compensation being paid to an actual ferry company, then there was the contract with a vacuum cleaner maker based in Malaysia to make ventilators even though they'd never made any but he was a big supporter of brexit. Don't forget the water cannons he bought when Mayor of London. I think they were refurbished and upgraded at a massive cost and then eventually scrapped. Not his money thought so why should he care?
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 18, 2020 10:27:28 GMT
Deborah Meaden was saying on Twitter When was this put out to tender? Who have they awarded the contract too? It costs £100k max to paint a plane, what is the other £800k going on makes you think doesn,t it. same with council contracts also and their excuses for not accepting lower prices that firms have offered. not received their quotes or firm deemed too small to do the job are two i have regularly heard.
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Post by vicar on Jun 18, 2020 11:48:01 GMT
We all know this money comes from the public purse and added to our mountain of debt but there should be more scrutiny of where it goes, I suspect people are getting very rich for nothing much and at our expense.
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Post by redhatter on Jun 18, 2020 12:31:51 GMT
We all know this money comes from the public purse and added to our mountain of debt but there should be more scrutiny of where it goes, I suspect people are getting very rich for nothing much and at our expense.
They've discovered the magic money tree and no mistake.
How the Labour party allow themselves to allow the Tories to paint them as a reckless tax and spend party, when the Tories have absolutely crippled us with debt is beyond me.
Labour need to be ramming the horrendous debt the Tories have run up straight back down their fat greedy throats.
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Jun 18, 2020 12:37:52 GMT
We all know this money comes from the public purse and added to our mountain of debt but there should be more scrutiny of where it goes, I suspect people are getting very rich for nothing much and at our expense. Thatcher's mantra "nothing wrong with making money" remains close to the heart of all members of the current cabinet. They will happily waffle on about one nation Conservatism as if it actually means something to them that doesn't entail the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg getting richer at my expense. I can understand those born into privilege wanting to protect their lifestyle. I just can't twig why it is that those who are always a couple of months from losing their jobs, cars and homes feel they have more in common with the toffs than they do with each other. Government debt before the pandemic was approaching 2.5 trillion (almost 2 trillion more than what they inherited) and with the final Covid bill and Brexit to come their will be one hell of a bill to pay and then we will see them in their true light.
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Post by HTC on Jun 18, 2020 13:13:58 GMT
I can understand those born into privilege wanting to protect their lifestyle. I just can't twig why it is that those who are always a couple of months from losing their jobs, cars and homes feel they have more in common with the toffs than they do with each other. The short answer is that people primarily vote on cultural issues these days not economic ones. We aren’t quite as bad as the US on that front yet, but it’s the reason why diverse cities like Brighton / London are now labour strongholds, where they were key battlegrounds historically. Equally, small town English places like Mansfield / Nuneaton used to be monkey with red rosette territory and are now at the very least swing seats. it’s why the Tories have been so keen to ferment a culture war, and why Corbyn was so popular amongst activists, but so disastrous with the voters.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jun 18, 2020 13:50:19 GMT
We all know this money comes from the public purse and added to our mountain of debt but there should be more scrutiny of where it goes, I suspect people are getting very rich for nothing much and at our expense.
They've discovered the magic money tree and no mistake.
How the Labour party allow themselves to allow the Tories to paint them as a reckless tax and spend party, when the Tories have absolutely crippled us with debt is beyond me.
Labour need to be ramming the horrendous debt the Tories have run up straight back down their fat greedy throats.
There has long been a received wisdom that conservatives are good with money and good with the economy. It’s always been a myth but everybody just accepts it as fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 14:25:16 GMT
Is it not the fact that most Millionaires, Billionaires are supporters and financiers of the Conservatives and made a lot of their wealth off the back of the "working class"? I think that is why they are perceived to be good with money - because they have it! And want even more. Of course some of the other problem is that a lot of the present M.P.'s from all sides of the spectrum are also "wealthy". Although I believe Keir Starmer will help turn round Labour's fortunes, he still represents the wealthy, being a Millionaire himself.
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