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Post by Count de Stockport on Aug 17, 2024 6:53:38 GMT
Weird to see anyone railing* against pay rises during a cost of living crisis
Also: another public sector worker here - I also worked all the way through covid
*Most definitely intended
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Post by tvor on Aug 17, 2024 7:47:37 GMT
Far too much reasonable and considered debate…are you trying to put tvor off this board?🥳💥😱🤣 Steady Matty, I am not left wing, not right wing. I've never marched or damaged property. I've never attacked police or security workers. I've never been on strike. So I'd say more a normal moderate middle of the road Brit I started working part time at 14 and worked until I was 66. I've never been unemployed or taken anything in payment from the Government apart from Furlough which I took with maximum pleasure and spent the time walking with my wife around Lyme Park, Poynton Pool oh and partying in my back garden I don't owe a penny to anybody, especially the Government. They've had their lot from me over the years. I am currently preparing for more attacks from Rachel Reeves on pensioners properties, savings and pension funds later this year. So Matty, I didn't have you down as one of the more extreme left wing posters on yellowboard, I'll let you wear number ten shirt. I'll wear the centre forward or centre half shirt, oh and for those self-proclaimed experts who say differently you can only have one centre forward. The clue is in the name Anyway, It's Saturday, time for football and our biggest challenge of the season awaits.......
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 17, 2024 7:56:49 GMT
Your attempts at self-definition belong here in The Politics Thread but are also hilarious, so I'm glad to see you're taking the advice on board.
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Post by edjelley on Aug 17, 2024 8:14:46 GMT
Weird to see anyone railing* against pay rises during a cost of living crisis Also: another public sector worker here - I also worked all the way through covid *Most definitely intended Didn't say I was against pay rises did I? Was querying whether this particular case deserved such a large increase before other maybe more in need workers. Would be surprised if the train drivers/employees have greatly suffered during the 'cost of living crisis'. There is only so much money to go round surely?
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 17, 2024 8:19:47 GMT
But I've given you the % increase. Is the overall package that excessive, given it covers the last 3 financial years? Let's be honest, the RW media are working themselves up because they hate unions and they hate Labour. I'll hold my hands up that in principle I'm very much in favour of the former, although agnostic on the latter these days. But it's not like they've ripped off the taxpayer for billions here. That's more a private sector thing...
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 17, 2024 8:22:01 GMT
Weird to see anyone railing* against pay rises during a cost of living crisis Also: another public sector worker here - I also worked all the way through covid *Most definitely intended Didn't say I was against pay rises did I? Was querying whether this particular case deserved such a large increase before other maybe more in need workers. Would be surprised if the train drivers/employees have greatly suffered during the 'cost of living crisis'. There is only so much money to go round surely? Only so much to go round indeed. Yet significant amounts are siphoned off into fat cats’ bonuses despite running failing services: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64006885That bonus is like 200 regular workers’ wages, for instance.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 17, 2024 8:25:33 GMT
But I've given you the % increase. Is the overall package that excessive, given it covers the last 3 financial years? Let's be honest, the RW media are working themselves up because they hate unions and they hate Labour. I'll hold my hands up that in principle I'm very much in favour of the former, although agnostic on the latter these days. But it's not like they've ripped off the taxpayer for billions here. That's more a private sector thing... In connection to my post a moment ago, there’s an argument that they kind of are ripping off the taxpayer seeing how so much subsidy money goes on stuff unrelated to getting people from A to B in an adequately rapid and comfortable fashion. iea.org.uk/blog/why-are-rail-subsidies-so-high[edit:] But y’know. The private sector is the answer to everything according to the RW media, even when the empirical evidence says otherwise.
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 17, 2024 8:34:37 GMT
Far too much reasonable and considered debate…are you trying to put tvor off this board?🥳💥😱🤣 Steady Matty, I am not left wing, not right wing. I've never marched or damaged property. I've never attacked police or security workers. I've never been on strike. So I'd say more a normal moderate middle of the road Brit I started working part time at 14 and worked until I was 66. I've never been unemployed or taken anything in payment from the Government apart from Furlough which I took with maximum pleasure and spent the time walking with my wife around Lyme Park, Poynton Pool oh and partying in my back garden I don't owe a penny to anybody, especially the Government. They've had their lot from me over the years. I am currently preparing for more attacks from Rachel Reeves on pensioners properties, savings and pension funds later this year. So Matty, I didn't have you down as one of the more extreme left wing posters on yellowboard, I'll let you wear number ten shirt. I'll wear the centre forward or centre half shirt, oh and for those self-proclaimed experts who say differently you can only have one centre forward. The clue is in the name Anyway, It's Saturday, time for football and our biggest challenge of the season awaits....... Presumably you also believe a team can only have one central defender and one central midfielder?
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Post by edjelley on Aug 17, 2024 8:40:14 GMT
But I've given you the % increase. Is the overall package that excessive, given it covers the last 3 financial years? Let's be honest, the RW media are working themselves up because they hate unions and they hate Labour. I'll hold my hands up that in principle I'm very much in favour of the former, although agnostic on the latter these days. But it's not like they've ripped off the taxpayer for billions here. That's more a private sector thing... Well I certainly don't hate the unions and I just voted Labour. However I look at each case individually and don't just automatically support anyone or group that demands a pay rise. With regard to the % increase I take your point to an extent but you have to take into account the starting wage which,in my opinion, is pretty well paid in the first place. I'd be very much in favour of giving higher increases to lower paid workers.
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Post by edjelley on Aug 17, 2024 8:46:41 GMT
Didn't say I was against pay rises did I? Was querying whether this particular case deserved such a large increase before other maybe more in need workers. Would be surprised if the train drivers/employees have greatly suffered during the 'cost of living crisis'. There is only so much money to go round surely? Indeed. Yet significant amounts are siphoned off into fat cats’ bonuses despite running failing services: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64006885That bonus is like 200 regular workers’ wages, for instance. That of course is the real point and one of the main failings of the last government, no control over greed and a culture of just grabbing as much money as possible. Without contradicting myself,I hope😀,I actually don't blame rail unions or other workers groups from trying for big increases....I just don't agree they should all get it. I want to see the government go after the private bosses who haven't provided agreed value aims,ie water,p PPE equipment etc and claim back or fine them when they've still taken obscene bonuses.
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Post by tvor on Aug 17, 2024 8:53:17 GMT
Indeed. Yet significant amounts are siphoned off into fat cats’ bonuses despite running failing services: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64006885That bonus is like 200 regular workers’ wages, for instance. That of course is the real point and one of the main failings of the last government, no control over greed and a culture of just grabbing as much money as possible. Without contradicting myself,I hope😀,I actually don't blame rail unions or other workers groups from trying for big increases....I just don't agree they should all get it. I want to see the government go after the private bosses who haven't provided agreed value aims,ie water,p PPE equipment etc and claim back or fine them when they've still taken obscene bonuses. If I recall correctly a significant part of the package for the railworkers was to include reform of working practices, where it takes three or more of them just to change a light bulb ;-) I take it that the Government have taken those reforms out of the deal and just handed over the cash?
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 17, 2024 9:38:26 GMT
But I've given you the % increase. Is the overall package that excessive, given it covers the last 3 financial years? Let's be honest, the RW media are working themselves up because they hate unions and they hate Labour. I'll hold my hands up that in principle I'm very much in favour of the former, although agnostic on the latter these days. But it's not like they've ripped off the taxpayer for billions here. That's more a private sector thing... Well I certainly don't hate the unions and I just voted Labour. However I look at each case individually and don't just automatically support anyone or group that demands a pay rise. With regard to the % increase I take your point to an extent but you have to take into account the starting wage which,in my opinion, is pretty well paid in the first place. I'd be very much in favour of giving higher increases to lower paid workers. I don't automatically support strikes - I'm 'in principle supportive' of the role of unions, which isn't the same thing. Some on here will know I have previously had a falling out with the Deputy PM when she was my union boss because of the way our union was behaving. But tying wage increases to changing working practices (dealt with by Stranded and, unsurprisingly, not as presented elsewhere by someone who supports a party of rich men who hate British workers) and redundancies is a typical muddying of waters to divide and conquer. I don't disagree that those on higher wages (well in excess of averages) could take less and give lower ranks more - my union certainly did that in the last two rounds of wages agreements (that were still well below the increased costs of living). It may be that this happened behind the headline figures (when our increases were reported they never addressed the nuances of grade dependent figures). Or they may not. But based on average wages and stated increases, it's not inflation busting stuff. IMO.
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Post by edjelley on Aug 17, 2024 9:39:33 GMT
Just read that the Aslef union has announced a new series of strikes. Seems to be never ending.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 17, 2024 9:50:38 GMT
Just read that the Aslef union has announced a new series of strikes. Seems to be never ending. Limited to LNER and unrelated to pay. No doubt a massive pain to those using LNER at the relevant times, I acknowledge, but this relates to a breakdown between management and staff.
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Post by nelly on Aug 17, 2024 9:59:32 GMT
That of course is the real point and one of the main failings of the last government, no control over greed and a culture of just grabbing as much money as possible. Without contradicting myself,I hope😀,I actually don't blame rail unions or other workers groups from trying for big increases....I just don't agree they should all get it. I want to see the government go after the private bosses who haven't provided agreed value aims,ie water,p PPE equipment etc and claim back or fine them when they've still taken obscene bonuses. If I recall correctly a significant part of the package for the railworkers was to include reform of working practices, where it takes three or more of them just to change a light bulb ;-) I take it that the Government have taken those reforms out of the deal and just handed over the cash? Driver only trains, very dangerous and an extra pair of eyes is always a good thing. Trains ain't Busses.
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