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Post by timberwolf on Jul 30, 2024 8:11:14 GMT
Can't even begin to understand, and I'm not sure I want to. This is a very sick world. My Grand daughter goes to dance classes and what those poor families must be going through is beyond my comprehension. You expect when you drop kids off for some kid related event they,ll be totally fine when you pick em up and anything like that will be the last thing you,d think of. Its far worse than you choosing to go through a bad area or a notorious pub after you make that choice. Families now are going to be worried everytime they are out of their sight now and you cannot blame them even if the chance of a repitition of southport is highly unlikely but you can never be sure again.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 30, 2024 8:15:04 GMT
One news report initially said it was an incident in Stockport not Southport but appologised at the end for his mistake as he found out Stockport does not have a long pier.
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Post by desmond on Jul 30, 2024 8:44:10 GMT
A 17 year old suspect identified as a child and yet there’s talk of allowing 16 year old “children” to vote ….
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Post by kayem1 on Jul 30, 2024 9:46:46 GMT
A 17 year old suspect identified as a child and yet there’s talk of allowing 16 year old “children” to vote …. Yes, another Labour idea. God help us!
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 30, 2024 9:57:21 GMT
A 17 year old suspect identified as a child and yet there’s talk of allowing 16 year old “children” to vote …. Yes, another Labour idea. God help us! A pick and mix depending on the situation that comes up for what suits a government at that particular time. However changing the idea due to one circumstance does not make a proposal worse than it was.
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Post by kayem1 on Jul 30, 2024 10:05:59 GMT
Can't even begin to understand, and I'm not sure I want to. This is a very sick world. My Grand daughter goes to dance classes and what those poor families must be going through is beyond my comprehension. You expect when you drop kids off for some kid related event they,ll be totally fine when you pick em up and anything like that will be the last thing you,d think of. Its far worse than you choosing to go through a bad area or a notorious pub after you make that choice. Families now are going to be worried everytime they are out of their sight now and you cannot blame them even if the chance of a repitition of southport is highly unlikely but you can never be sure again. Our Great Grandson goes to a play school most days for 3 or 4 hours. The door to the school is locked, so children cannot get out, and also serves to stop anyone else from getting in. And, when collecting the child. Anybody other than the parents have to provide a password (changes daily). Even Grand Parents who when approaching the collection area, and the child can see and shouts out "Hello Grandad /Grandma". If you don't have the password, the child isn't handed over. This works, and should apply to any place where children are supervised, whether it be a school, dance school or any other place. I'm not blaming the dance school for what happened, but if this sort of practice was employed, maybe everyone would have been safe.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 30, 2024 10:10:53 GMT
You expect when you drop kids off for some kid related event they,ll be totally fine when you pick em up and anything like that will be the last thing you,d think of. It’s far worse than you choosing to go through a bad area or a notorious pub after you make that choice. Families now are going to be worried everytime they are out of their sight now and you cannot blame them even if the chance of a repitition of southport is highly unlikely but you can never be sure again. Our Great Grandson goes to a play school most days for 3 or 4 hours. The door to the school is locked, so children cannot get out, and also serves to stop anyone else from getting in. And, when collecting the child. Anybody other than the parents have to provide a password (changes daily). Even Grand Parents who when approaching the collection area, and the child can see and shouts out "Hello Grandad /Grandma". If you don't have the password, the child isn't handed over. This works, and should apply to any place where children are supervised, whether it be a school, dance school or any other place. I'm not blaming the dance school for what happened, but if this sort of practice was employed, maybe everyone would have been safe. We don’t know the details, but there could well have been someone on the door who was also attacked by the knifeman. I don’t think any childcare setting would allow totally free access.
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Post by nelly on Jul 30, 2024 10:36:01 GMT
A 17 year old suspect identified as a child and yet there’s talk of allowing 16 year old “children” to vote …. How many adult nut jobs are out there, who can vote.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 30, 2024 10:40:57 GMT
A 17 year old suspect identified as a child and yet there’s talk of allowing 16 year old “children” to vote …. How many adult nut jobs are out there, who can vote. More than there are 16-17yo nutjobs, I can bet
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Post by ricky on Jul 30, 2024 10:57:48 GMT
A 17 year old suspect identified as a child and yet there’s talk of allowing 16 year old “children” to vote …. Yes, another Labour idea. God help us! It’s as if some people actually want Labour to do a bad job so they can say, told you so. Labour absolutely deserves a chance and we shouldn’t be just following whatever the Daily Mail or Daily Express Tory propaganda rags tell people how they should think. As far as trying to engage young people in politics, probably a good idea, it’s their future, generally old people voted for Brexit , screwing up opportunities for young people for their own self centred warped view of the world.
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Post by bristolhatter on Jul 30, 2024 11:11:14 GMT
A 17 year old suspect identified as a child and yet there’s talk of allowing 16 year old “children” to vote …. Personally I'm against 16 year olds voting but there is a wider conversation to be had about standardising ages of what constitutes being of age, voting, criminal law, armed forces, drinking, smoking, consent, driving etc. It seems paradoxical that you can join the army at 16 but can't drive a car until 17 and then cannot legally buy alcohol until 18. There will always be someone who is old enough for any of the above but may be deemed too immature by their peers and conversely, those deemed mature enough by their peers but haven't yet reached the age. It's impossible to do it on a person by person basis but there should be a standard age that you're deemed to be an adult and therefore eligible for all of the above. I'm not qualified to state whether that should be as low as 16 or as high as 18 but it's crazy the suspect qualifies for a driving licence and joining the armed forces but is deemed a child under the criminal system.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 30, 2024 11:14:18 GMT
A 17 year old suspect identified as a child and yet there’s talk of allowing 16 year old “children” to vote …. Personally I'm against 16 year olds voting but there is a wider conversation to be had about standardising ages of what constitutes being of age, voting, criminal law, armed forces, drinking, smoking, consent, driving etc. It seems paradoxical that you can join the army at 16 but can't drive a car until 17 and then cannot legally buy alcohol until 18. There will always be someone who is old enough for any of the above but may be deemed too immature by their peers and conversely, those deemed mature enough by their peers but haven't yet reached the age. It's impossible to do it on a person by person basis but there should be a standard age that you're deemed to be an adult and therefore eligible for all of the above. I'm not qualified to state whether that should be as low as 16 or as high as 18 but it's crazy the suspect qualifies for a driving licence and joining the armed forces but is deemed a child under the criminal system. I would make it 18 across the piece personally. Can understand an argument for voting to be 16 though as you are actually going to be an adult for most of the 5-year term the government is in power.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 30, 2024 11:16:01 GMT
Using the death of young children to politically point score is really low.
And if the demographic is calculated capable of voting or not by the actions of the worst amongst it then I imagine every demographic is absolutely screwed.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 30, 2024 11:17:23 GMT
On the subject, why is so much time and money wasted on exit exams for 16 year olds when they no longer exit? O levels made sense when so many left education at that point but not any more. Level 2 quals can still be available, but don’t see the point in the mass deployment of them at 16 - a waste of money and time. That could free up money to help finance breakfast clubs and free school dinners.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 30, 2024 11:18:45 GMT
Using the death of young children to politically point score is really low. And if the demographic is calculated capable of voting or not by the actions of the worst amongst it then I imagine every demographic is absolutely screwed. I fully agree on the point scoring. There is an awful lot of it going on across social media though.
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