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Post by bigmartin on Aug 3, 2024 11:07:29 GMT
Re-read it and point out what I missed, happy to accept I'm wrong if so. All I can remember is one person suggesting it was planned, which was quickly mocked, and then another suggesting it'd be a good thing, which was quickly called out. Everybody else who commented on Trump being shot condemned it or at the very least didn't celebrate it. That,to be fair,is not 'practically everyone condemning it',is it?...which is what you said in response to tvor post. No problem at all people not condemning it (i didn't comment myself),but i don't remember a widespread outpouring of yellowboard concern and worry!! To be fair an outpouring of concern and worry also wouldn't have been condemnation of the actual attack.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 3, 2024 11:08:14 GMT
That,to be fair,is not 'practically everyone condemning it',is it?...which is what you said in response to tvor post. No problem at all people not condemning it (i didn't comment myself),but i don't remember a widespread outpouring of yellowboard concern and worry!! If it helps, the incident made me concerned and worried. Still very much am. In my humble, that was the moment that sealed it for him. I didn't outpour it on here, I was ironing, but I'll outpour it now. The world is shortly about to enter a very dark place. You mean if he loses? Or you think he's going to win?
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Post by scfc73 on Aug 3, 2024 11:18:49 GMT
I'll hold my hands up & admit that I made a comment about Trump that in retrospect was in bad taste. No matter how odious he is he's still a Husband, father, grandfather, so wishing that the bullet hadn't missed was wrong on my part. That said you could probably fill a book with things that Trump has said over the years that are deemed to be in bad taste & he's a person in the public eye who has the power to influence a considerable amount of people, whereas I'm just a bloke on a football messageboard stating my dislike for one person. I can only hope Trump loses the election & retires gracefully to the golf course & enjoys his remaining years with his family in peace & the Republicans replace him with a more stable, less narcissistic, less divisive candidate to lead them in future campaigns. American politics would be all the better for it.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 3, 2024 11:47:31 GMT
I'll hold my hands up & admit that I made a comment about Trump that in retrospect was in bad taste. No matter how odious he is he's still a Husband, father, grandfather, so wishing that the bullet hadn't missed was wrong on my part. That said you could probably fill a book with things that Trump has said over the years that are deemed to be in bad taste & he's a person in the public eye who has the power to influence a considerable amount of people, whereas I'm just a bloke on a football messageboard stating my dislike for one person. I can only hope Trump loses the election & retires gracefully to the golf course & enjoys his remaining years with his family in peace & the Republicans replace him with a more stable, less narcissistic, less divisive candidate to lead them in future campaigns. American politics would be all the better for it. I watched a Youtube documentary yesterday on Republicans who have turned their backs on Maga and are voting for Harris with the end game being the preservation of their Constitution and possibly even their country. Sort of like Labour supporters "lending" the Conservatives their vote. The Dems are using this as a significant part of their campaign TV Ads in the lead in. Very interesting. The damage this guy could do in four years. The consensus is gaining lots of energy, that the USA cannot afford to risk another four of Trump. There's a palpable level of relief that Biden has stepped down and also an increasing admiration for the extent to which he's been doing the job as President. The day before he stepped down he spent the day negotiating with the Slovenian Government who had thrown a spanner in the works on this hostage exchange. I really like Biden and I loved that, in a Press interview later in the day a Fox (I think) questioner (it could have been TVOR given the nature of the question) asked "what do you think of the suggestions that Trump would have recovered those hostages without giving anything away". Biden was walking off stage at the time. Stopped. Smiled. Turned back to the mic and said "if he could do that why didn't he do it when he was President". Then walked away smiling. I thought to myself - that's a home run Joe. Right out of the park. I did a weird little applaud whilst Mrs Big looked across thinking "must be politics - tw*t".
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Post by vicar on Aug 3, 2024 14:55:09 GMT
Rioting in Piccadily with rioters chanting we want Starmer out, we've had 14 years of Cameron, Johnson, Truss and Sunak and these clowns are blaming someone who's not had time to implement anything.
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Post by The Real Exile on Aug 3, 2024 14:59:42 GMT
Rioting in Piccadily with rioters chanting we want Starmer out, we've had 14 years of Cameron, Johnson, Truss and Sunak and these clowns are blaming someone who's not had time to implement anything. Who do they want instead I wonder, I'd imagine they don't want the Tories.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Aug 3, 2024 15:10:12 GMT
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Post by scfc73 on Aug 3, 2024 15:14:37 GMT
Rioting in Piccadily with rioters chanting we want Starmer out, we've had 14 years of Cameron, Johnson, Truss and Sunak and these clowns are blaming someone who's not had time to implement anything. These riots are abhorrent. Yes, there's problems in this country that need addressing but like you say a new government isn't going to solve anything in a matter of weeks. I don't particularly like the lazy label of 'far right' being attached to these disturbances though. From the footage I've seen from up & down the country none of the disturbances look politically motivated or led by anyone in particular but more a chance for a load of chavs to come out on the streets & cause some bother because A) they're a bit thick & B) they've got nothing better to do. The Hartlepool footage in particular just looked like a group of people who would normally indulge in a spot of anti social behaviour but were pretending they've now got a 'cause'. It's the copycat situation we saw a few years back, Riots in London over someone being arrested or something (can't quite remember the root cause) then Manchester followed suit under the same pretence when all it was, was a chance for people to come out on the streets loot a few shops & grab some gear for themselves whilst pretending to be offended by something that didn't affect them at all.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 3, 2024 15:18:08 GMT
Rioting in Piccadily with rioters chanting we want Starmer out, we've had 14 years of Cameron, Johnson, Truss and Sunak and these clowns are blaming someone who's not had time to implement anything. Just had an election and a very small number of opportunists are on the streets demanding something that won't happen this side of the next Euros at the earliest. Deal with the criminal element. Move on and get on with showing it's not immigrants that are the issue by creating a better country than was left after 14 years of Rightists and the Brexit they delivered. Reform MPs showing their colours too. Last week we should all respect the police and those attacking them should feel the full force of the law. This week the police are a disgrace. Shame most of their politicians aren't the smartest, really.
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Post by desmond on Aug 3, 2024 15:26:02 GMT
Rioting in Piccadily with rioters chanting we want Starmer out, we've had 14 years of Cameron, Johnson, Truss and Sunak and these clowns are blaming someone who's not had time to implement anything. These riots are abhorrent. Yes, there's problems in this country that need addressing but like you say a new government isn't going to solve anything in a matter of weeks. I don't particularly like the lazy label of 'far right' being attached to these disturbances though. From the footage I've seen from up & down the country none of the disturbances look politically motivated or led by anyone in particular but more a chance for a load of chavs to come out on the streets & cause some bother because A) they're a bit thick & B) they've got nothing better to do. The Hartlepool footage in particular just looked like a group of people who would normally indulge in a spot of anti social behaviour but were pretending they've now got a 'cause'. It's the copycat situation we saw a few years back, Riots in London over someone being arrested or something (can't quite remember the root cause) then Manchester followed suit under the same pretence when all it was, was a chance for people to come out on the streets loot a few shops & grab some gear for themselves whilst pretending to be offended by something that didn't affect them at all. James Anderson had some very unpleasant views as a Chief Constable back in the 80’s but he certainly knew had to put down a riot.
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Post by scfc73 on Aug 3, 2024 15:30:17 GMT
None of these disturbances will change anything for the better. The same as none of JSO's protests will save the climate or the pro-Palestinian demo's will change the situation in the Middle East. I'm trying to think of the last incident of mass civil disobedience that actually changed anything? The poll tax riots? & all we ended up with was council tax instead, which I suppose was marginally fairer than the poll tax.
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Post by nelly on Aug 3, 2024 15:30:20 GMT
Rioting in Piccadily with rioters chanting we want Starmer out, we've had 14 years of Cameron, Johnson, Truss and Sunak and these clowns are blaming someone who's not had time to implement anything. Just had an election and a very small number of opportunists are on the streets demanding something that won't happen this side of the next Euros at the earliest. Deal with the criminal element. Move on and get on with showing it's not immigrants that are the issue by creating a better country than was left after 14 years of Rightists and the Brexit they delivered. Reform MPs showing their colours too. Last week we should all respect the police and those attacking them should feel the full force of the law. This week the police are a disgrace. Shame most of their politicians aren't the smartest, really. Most of these so called far right idiots are working class and uneducated. They follow the likes of Farage like sheep.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 3, 2024 15:32:51 GMT
These riots are abhorrent. Yes, there's problems in this country that need addressing but like you say a new government isn't going to solve anything in a matter of weeks. I don't particularly like the lazy label of 'far right' being attached to these disturbances though. From the footage I've seen from up & down the country none of the disturbances look politically motivated or led by anyone in particular but more a chance for a load of chavs to come out on the streets & cause some bother because A) they're a bit thick & B) they've got nothing better to do. The Hartlepool footage in particular just looked like a group of people who would normally indulge in a spot of anti social behaviour but were pretending they've now got a 'cause'. It's the copycat situation we saw a few years back, Riots in London over someone being arrested or something (can't quite remember the root cause) then Manchester followed suit under the same pretence when all it was, was a chance for people to come out on the streets loot a few shops & grab some gear for themselves whilst pretending to be offended by something that didn't affect them at all. James Anderson had some very unpleasant views as a Chief Constable back in the 80’s but he certainly knew had to put down a riot. AnderTon. And he did. And might have had a lot more success if he hadn't spent most of his time and budget in charge confiscating bongo mags and arresting gay people for hugging.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 3, 2024 15:43:48 GMT
FWIW, a couple of paragraphs before that, it says: ‘Punks have blocked protesters chanting about Tommy Robinson and to “stop the boats” in Blackpool town centre.‘
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 3, 2024 15:51:38 GMT
FWIW, a couple of paragraphs before that, it says: ‘Punks have blocked protesters chanting about Tommy Robinson and to “stop the boats” in Blackpool town centre.‘It's Rebellion weekend. Racists chose the wrong town there ...
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