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Post by suedehead on Aug 3, 2024 23:08:53 GMT
As has already been said, it's societal rather than political. Bored disaffected chavs taking to the streets and claiming its a protest without one political brain cell between them. I wonder how many of them actually voted. Then you get the dark nihilistic loons who go everywhere for the chance of a tear up with the police. Its happened before, several times in my lifetime, and will happen again, but it's so absolutely immoral, cowardly, sick and gut wrenchingly offensive to hide behind the death of 3 little girls and use it as an excuse. Similar happened in 2011 around this time of the year.. it started in London with the killing of Mark Duggan, and then it spread across the country with attacks against the police, lots of looting etc etc Remember when that all kicked off. I was living in Whitechapel (east London) at the time and working in Barking. I think Duggan was shot on the Saturday night, or maybe the Friday, and there’d be some small scale unrest in Tottenham over the weekend. On the Monday afternoon work said we were all to leave early and should go straight home. I remember there was a girl in the office who lived in Seven Sisters and they paid for a taxi for her as it was so close to Tottenham. I’d not really heard anything about any trouble so just thought I was getting a free afternoon off work. Went to the big Sainsbirys at Whitechapel to get some tea and it was closed; ended up having to go to Iceland for something instead. Fuming. Got back and started seeing stuff on Twitter and then over the course of the evening could actually see things happening. I lived fairly high up in a block so had a great view and you could see the glow of fires and hear things being smashed. Was utterly surreal. We were told by work to stay at home on the Tuesday (which then got extended to the Thursday), but there was no infrastructure to actually work from home back then so more or less just had the week off, barring a token phone call here and there and a few emails. I seem to remember the Tuesday night being bad in London too before it spread elsewhere across the country. But the Monday was proper lawless rioting far beyond what we’ve seen this week.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 3, 2024 23:43:38 GMT
I do get the impression (rightly or wrongly) that this is a pro-Labour only board. Eh? Surely lots of posters have been very critical of Labour? I have called them out plenty of times on here and don't feel any of the posts were unwelcome on the thread. Here are some posts from me that were not "pro-Labour only".
I think it's more your scatter-gun approach. Your starting point is you don't like them, and then you scrabble about desperately reaching for things you might be able to tar them with and stories you can hang that opinion on, some of which stretch credibility beyond its limit, and other times you're so intent on smearing them you contradict yourself (weren't you in favour of benefits being capped to two children when the Tories introduced it, if you are the master of bullock smithy from the other board?)
Do it the other way round, so that being either pro or anti Labour is the conclusion, not the starting point.
Left wing criticism of Labour is always ignored
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Post by ebbs on Aug 4, 2024 6:47:07 GMT
Similar happened in 2011 around this time of the year.. it started in London with the killing of Mark Duggan, and then it spread across the country with attacks against the police, lots of looting etc etc Remember when that all kicked off. I was living in Whitechapel (east London) at the time and working in Barking. I think Duggan was shot on the Saturday night, or maybe the Friday, and there’d be some small scale unrest in Tottenham over the weekend. On the Monday afternoon work said we were all to leave early and should go straight home. I remember there was a girl in the office who lived in Seven Sisters and they paid for a taxi for her as it was so close to Tottenham. I’d not really heard anything about any trouble so just thought I was getting a free afternoon off work. Went to the big Sainsbirys at Whitechapel to get some tea and it was closed; ended up having to go to Iceland for something instead. Fuming. Got back and started seeing stuff on Twitter and then over the course of the evening could actually see things happening. I lived fairly high up in a block so had a great view and you could see the glow of fires and hear things being smashed. Was utterly surreal. We were told by work to stay at home on the Tuesday (which then got extended to the Thursday), but there was no infrastructure to actually work from home back then so more or less just had the week off, barring a token phone call here and there and a few emails. I seem to remember the Tuesday night being bad in London too before it spread elsewhere across the country. But the Monday was proper lawless rioting far beyond what we’ve seen this week. Was in the Princess by Hough end when the Moss Side riots kicked off 81?, girlfriend lived near by. Landlord announced it was heading towards us down the parkway and he was locking all the doors. We could all leave now or stay and he would keep on serving. Seemed better to stay and get a few more in. Never reached there in the end. I was only young and fearless at the time. Would be terrified these days. Weather was the same, always seems to happen when it's nice.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 4, 2024 8:06:29 GMT
Remember when that all kicked off. I was living in Whitechapel (east London) at the time and working in Barking. I think Duggan was shot on the Saturday night, or maybe the Friday, and there’d be some small scale unrest in Tottenham over the weekend. On the Monday afternoon work said we were all to leave early and should go straight home. I remember there was a girl in the office who lived in Seven Sisters and they paid for a taxi for her as it was so close to Tottenham. I’d not really heard anything about any trouble so just thought I was getting a free afternoon off work. Went to the big Sainsbirys at Whitechapel to get some tea and it was closed; ended up having to go to Iceland for something instead. Fuming. Got back and started seeing stuff on Twitter and then over the course of the evening could actually see things happening. I lived fairly high up in a block so had a great view and you could see the glow of fires and hear things being smashed. Was utterly surreal. We were told by work to stay at home on the Tuesday (which then got extended to the Thursday), but there was no infrastructure to actually work from home back then so more or less just had the week off, barring a token phone call here and there and a few emails. I seem to remember the Tuesday night being bad in London too before it spread elsewhere across the country. But the Monday was proper lawless rioting far beyond what we’ve seen this week. Was in the Princess by Hough end when the Moss Side riots kicked off 81?, girlfriend lived near by. Landlord announced it was heading towards us down the parkway and he was locking all the doors. We could all leave now or stay and he would keep on serving. Seemed better to stay and get a few more in. Never reached there in the end. I was only young and fearless at the time. Would be terrified these days. Weather was the same, always seems to happen when it's nice. Very good barometer (excuse the pun) of strength of belief in a cause if protesters are willing to keep at it in the rain.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 4, 2024 8:21:58 GMT
Great point, Nige.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 4, 2024 8:27:46 GMT
Was in the Princess by Hough end when the Moss Side riots kicked off 81?, girlfriend lived near by. Landlord announced it was heading towards us down the parkway and he was locking all the doors. We could all leave now or stay and he would keep on serving. Seemed better to stay and get a few more in. Never reached there in the end. I was only young and fearless at the time. Would be terrified these days. Weather was the same, always seems to happen when it's nice. Very good barometer (excuse the pun) of strength of belief in a cause of protesters are willing to keep at it in the rain. Exactly. You will see if they have a point or really interested in their cause when its pissing down or freezing. All the unrest seems to happen in summer over the last 40 years giving the opportunity of the bored something to do. It isn,t even a left v right scenario as i doubt voters or supporters of the two main parties regard their leaders as right or left. If starmer had lost the election these riots and marches would still be going on as the situation hasn,t changed since the election and doubt there would not have been 3 dead kids in southport now if the tories had actually won.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 4, 2024 8:32:29 GMT
What’s also astonishing is how Twitter allows posts from before he was a Westminster MP to be shown on his official account. Good old Elon, always there on the side of truth and transparency…
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Post by vicar on Aug 4, 2024 8:53:51 GMT
Very good barometer (excuse the pun) of strength of belief in a cause of protesters are willing to keep at it in the rain. Exactly. You will see if they have a point or really interested in their cause when its pissing down or freezing. All the unrest seems to happen in summer over the last 40 years giving the opportunity of the bored something to do. It isn,t even a left v right scenario as i doubt voters or supporters of the two main parties regard their leaders as right or left. If starmer had lost the election these riots and marches would still be going on as the situation hasn,t changed since the election and doubt there would not have been 3 dead kids in southport now if the tories had actually won. Some of the clowns were chanting we want Starmer out as if anything has changed in their lives in the last 4 weeks, then again we've seen how people can be taken in by stuff like an amnesty for asylum seekers.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 4, 2024 9:50:45 GMT
Exactly. You will see if they have a point or really interested in their cause when its pissing down or freezing. All the unrest seems to happen in summer over the last 40 years giving the opportunity of the bored something to do. It isn,t even a left v right scenario as i doubt voters or supporters of the two main parties regard their leaders as right or left. If starmer had lost the election these riots and marches would still be going on as the situation hasn,t changed since the election and doubt there would not have been 3 dead kids in southport now if the tories had actually won. Some of the clowns were chanting we want Starmer out as if anything has changed in their lives in the last 4 weeks, then again we've seen how people can be taken in by stuff like an amnesty for asylum seekers. and people question my like for animals over humans. I did not vote for his party but i,m certainly going to give them a chance over the wider picture even if they have made me poorer by taking away my heating allowance. In the same way i hope comments about the present situation are not made because they support or vote labour in the opposite way.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 4, 2024 10:07:19 GMT
Some of the clowns were chanting we want Starmer out as if anything has changed in their lives in the last 4 weeks, then again we've seen how people can be taken in by stuff like an amnesty for asylum seekers. and people question my like for animals over humans. I did not vote for his party but i,m certainly going to give them a chance over the wider picture even if they have made me poorer by taking away my heating allowance. In the same way i hope comments about the present situation are not made because they support or vote labour in the opposite way. They’re chanting it because Dmitri Peskov wants them to chant it. They just don’t know it, the useful idiots…
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 4, 2024 10:08:05 GMT
Some of the clowns were chanting we want Starmer out as if anything has changed in their lives in the last 4 weeks, then again we've seen how people can be taken in by stuff like an amnesty for asylum seekers. and people question my like for animals over humans. I did not vote for his party but i,m certainly going to give them a chance over the wider picture even if they have made me poorer by taking away my heating allowance. In the same way i hope comments about the present situation are not made because they support or vote labour in the opposite way. I won't criticise my usual targets the Tories on this because they seem to have bailed on everything since losing their Leadership. But if you somehow think Reform are not embryonically attached to those riots then I have a bridge to sell. People need to open their eyes. They posted a tweet when Southport was kicking off (I read it but I can't find it now else I'd post it) posting the address of the mosque then saying "there's a demonstration there but we urge people not to go there and not to get involved". It beggars belief that people don't understand what they did there...
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 4, 2024 11:42:41 GMT
and people question my like for animals over humans. I did not vote for his party but i,m certainly going to give them a chance over the wider picture even if they have made me poorer by taking away my heating allowance. In the same way i hope comments about the present situation are not made because they support or vote labour in the opposite way. I won't criticise my usual targets the Tories on this because they seem to have bailed on everything since losing their Leadership. But if you somehow think Reform are not embryonically attached to those riots then I have a bridge to sell. People need to open their eyes. They posted a tweet when Southport was kicking off (I read it but I can't find it now else I'd post it) posting the address of the mosque then saying "there's a demonstration there but we urge people not to go there and not to get involved". It beggars belief that people don't understand what they did there... Do feel that so many people need a leader. Our problem is there somehow is only one politician close to having the charisma for that job and one many would like to see the back of for good by joining his mate in the US. If people are not worried for the future then they should be as shades of pre war germany is getting closer. If you do not want the left, communism in there day, you have to accept something on the right, the nazi,s in their day. You cannot blame the right for following reform as i,d guess the left of labour would join a left wing version for them.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 4, 2024 11:57:43 GMT
I won't criticise my usual targets the Tories on this because they seem to have bailed on everything since losing their Leadership. But if you somehow think Reform are not embryonically attached to those riots then I have a bridge to sell. People need to open their eyes. They posted a tweet when Southport was kicking off (I read it but I can't find it now else I'd post it) posting the address of the mosque then saying "there's a demonstration there but we urge people not to go there and not to get involved". It beggars belief that people don't understand what they did there... Do feel that so many people need a leader. Our problem is there somehow is only one politician close to having the charisma for that job and one many would like to see the back of for good by joining his mate in the US. If people are not worried for the future then they should be as shades of pre war germany is getting closer. If you do not want the left, communism in there day, you have to accept something on the right, the nazi,s in their day. You cannot blame the right for following reform as i,d guess the left of labour would join a left wing version for them. There's never EVER been an extreme Left in the UK. Look at voting patterns for the Communist Party of GB if you need evidence. Extreme Left Wing parties have never had ANY traction in the UK. The right's view of extreme Left is Jeremy Corbyn. Jeremy Corbyn mate! Right Wing extremism in the UK has always been more of a thing right back to Mosley and the Blackshirts of the 40s. Left wing extremism at the time sent working class lads, poets, writers, and some politicians to Spain to combat the fascists. Then they came home, then went off to kick Hitler's arse to. Then they came home and did wonky shit like knocked an NHS together for us. Those were OUR 'Left Wing extremists'.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 4, 2024 15:04:36 GMT
I know they say these “protesters” are cowards, but looking at the pictures on the news, setting stuff on fire while dressed head to toe in polyester takes some balls TBH…
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Post by tvor on Aug 4, 2024 15:17:39 GMT
Good morning all. I'd firstly like to point out that just like many of you I voted against Rishi Sunak in the last General Election. Quite ironic really, as he is the only person in government who has given me anything during my working life and that was £2,500 a month for a few months during furlough. I do get the impression (rightly or wrongly) that this is a pro-Labour only board. This has also been mentioned to me by others by direct message. If that's what you want then maybe consider making it a closed group by invitation only? As stated previously, I have never posted any bad language, abused other posters, posted nothing racist or sexist, not posted any questionable pictures. I managed to keep out of the thread about shooting Donald Trump which was in very poor taste. So I wouldn't agree that "Everyone is held to the same standard". After the dreadful scenes at Southport earlier in the week, this past week for me has been a period of contemplation and reflection, particularly as I have six grandchildren aged between two and twelve. We were planning to go to Manchester this morning but have decided to give that a swerve just in case. Have a good day. Keep on posting as at least it gives the majority of this board a reason to read your stuff. As a minority you should really receive status higher than you really should by just being that on this board. For years many have promoted the ideals and views of minority groups and rightly so. However in the same way a minority they do not agree with should be treated exactly the same. Need a broad back and a thick skin though to go against what feels like a voice on here whose views are underlined by most of the rest. Good afternoon timberwolf. Thank you for your reply. My original post was at five to four on Friday afternoon. Almost as soon as it had been posted, I was alerted to some real Stockport County news that was far more important and I was invited out to an emergency board meeting at the pub to discuss the return of Louie Barry I didn't bother reading the responses to my post when I got back. I guess that you might have worked out that I am neither hard left, or hard right. Just a normal person not wanting to get done over by the government as they are doing with the winter heating allowance. My middle of the road stance on politics means that I enjoyed watching this video earlier this morning when the link was sent to me by another yellowboard member. It covers many of the stories of the week. I enjoyed most of it. *** Please note, it might not be to everybody's taste. It is not too complimentary about several issues. If you don't have an open mind then don't open it.***
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