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Post by ricky on Aug 5, 2024 9:45:48 GMT
They wouldn’t, I think the scales will be falling off the eyes of those who voted for them as a protest. They’d still get a lot of votes, similar to last time, but they wouldn’t win, if the rioters were replaced by all the people who silently despise Reform and see them for what they are, the crowds would absolutely dwarf those that have been rioting. All Reform do is offer easy to understand solutions to complex problems, typical populist bullshit. They’ve installed a Muslim as their chair, a canny move some might say, but that will put off some of their thick head supporters. Yes. It's possible that the racist violence would help increase the Reform vote. Farage would certainly seek to use the trouble to his advantage. But beyond an anti-immigrant stance, he offers nothing. Look at the Reform manifesto. It was a joke. Plenty of folk, the majority I believe, would be disgusted by the thought of Farage as PM and would vote accordingly to stop that happening. For me, the Brexit referendum opened the door to a new, more strident anti-immigrant nationalism, especially in England. A vein of nationalism or pseudo-patriotism that all too easily tips into hatred. And we've seen it this week. A perversion of patriotism. A corruption of all that makes us decent. But Farage seized the opportunity. It was a gift to him. The Referendum wasn't just about European trade. It was about shifting politics further to the right and getting these nationalist themes into the mainstream, harnessing people's understandable disillusion, and directing that pain against Muslims, immigrants, refugees, anyone who might be labelled or perceived as not being British. And being British is often synonmous with being White in the eyes of some. The Referendum opened the gate to far-right extremism. It's sickening. That’s a good summary. Frankly I doubt any of the rioters would have the concentration span to read a manifesto, all they can digest is a deliberately divisive meme, often Russian in origin. Farage was openly racist when he was at Dulwich, he’s clever enough to disguise that now to give him an air of legitimacy. On another note, I wonder how many of the rioters are ‘cash in hand’ types, yet would complain about our taxes being spent on housing migrants?
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 5, 2024 9:50:42 GMT
I don't disagree. but if the general election was in November I wouldn't be surprised if reform had a landslide victory I'd be stunned if they got anywhere near a victory, let alone a landslide. For all the troubles over the past week, it's still a tiny minority of people out on the streets. Lots of people are appalled by what is happening. And I don't for a second think those in the middle who aren't rioting or appalled are silent Reform voters. As canterbury says, I don't think they'd do as well as they did last month. There's nothing there beyond an outlet for immigration frustrations. And look where stirring that pot has got us. Shoe Zone and Greggs being torched and coppers being battered in the street. Nice one. There will be some slightly naive people who turned up to these protests and were a tad surprised by how nasty their bedfellows are. Farage needs putting on the spot - condemn the rioters and what they are doing … or back them. Either way Reform lose some votes I suspect.
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Post by chadders on Aug 5, 2024 10:18:25 GMT
I'd be stunned if they got anywhere near a victory, let alone a landslide. For all the troubles over the past week, it's still a tiny minority of people out on the streets. Lots of people are appalled by what is happening. And I don't for a second think those in the middle who aren't rioting or appalled are silent Reform voters. As canterbury says, I don't think they'd do as well as they did last month. There's nothing there beyond an outlet for immigration frustrations. And look where stirring that pot has got us. Shoe Zone and Greggs being torched and coppers being battered in the street. Nice one. There will be some slightly naive people who turned up to these protests and were a tad surprised by how nasty their bedfellows are. Farage needs putting on the spot - condemn the rioters and what they are doing … or back them. Either way Reform lose some votes I suspect. You say ‘slightly naive’ I say thick as f*ck knuckle draggers. Absolutely zero doubt the dregs of our fanbase will be giving it ‘Tommy, Tommy’ at some point in the next few weeks or months.
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Post by donkey on Aug 5, 2024 10:23:08 GMT
What do you class as "dregs"?
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Post by chadders on Aug 5, 2024 10:34:01 GMT
What do you class as "dregs"? The thick c*nts who were singing ‘no surrender’ a couple of seasons ago and have since sung the pineapple head song. Let’s not pretend we haven’t got that sort of fan.
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 5, 2024 10:57:41 GMT
Yes. It's possible that the racist violence would help increase the Reform vote. Farage would certainly seek to use the trouble to his advantage. But beyond an anti-immigrant stance, he offers nothing. Look at the Reform manifesto. It was a joke. Plenty of folk, the majority I believe, would be disgusted by the thought of Farage as PM and would vote accordingly to stop that happening. For me, the Brexit referendum opened the door to a new, more strident anti-immigrant nationalism, especially in England. A vein of nationalism or pseudo-patriotism that all too easily tips into hatred. And we've seen it this week. A perversion of patriotism. A corruption of all that makes us decent. But Farage seized the opportunity. It was a gift to him. The Referendum wasn't just about European trade. It was about shifting politics further to the right and getting these nationalist themes into the mainstream, harnessing people's understandable disillusion, and directing that pain against Muslims, immigrants, refugees, anyone who might be labelled or perceived as not being British. And being British is often synonmous with being White in the eyes of some. The Referendum opened the gate to far-right extremism. It's sickening. That’s a good summary. Frankly I doubt any of the rioters would have the concentration span to read a manifesto, all they can digest is a deliberately divisive meme, often Russian in origin. Farage was openly racist when he was at Dulwich, he’s clever enough to disguise that now to give him an air of legitimacy. On another note, I wonder how many of the rioters are ‘cash in hand’ types, yet would complain about our taxes being spent on housing migrants? Farage need to be got hold of by his lughole and dragged to Rotherham and asked to excuse people who tried to set fire to a hotel full of people live on GB News, repeat every time it kicks off somewhere else.
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Post by vicar on Aug 5, 2024 11:08:40 GMT
I'd be stunned if they got anywhere near a victory, let alone a landslide. For all the troubles over the past week, it's still a tiny minority of people out on the streets. Lots of people are appalled by what is happening. And I don't for a second think those in the middle who aren't rioting or appalled are silent Reform voters. As canterbury says, I don't think they'd do as well as they did last month. There's nothing there beyond an outlet for immigration frustrations. And look where stirring that pot has got us. Shoe Zone and Greggs being torched and coppers being battered in the street. Nice one. There will be some slightly naive people who turned up to these protests and were a tad surprised by how nasty their bedfellows are. Farage needs putting on the spot - condemn the rioters and what they are doing … or back them. Either way Reform lose some votes I suspect. It’s not just Farage it's Robinson, Braverman, Patel, Anderson, Tice and Johnson, they've all stoked up hatred and benefitted from it, the tories have spent the last 14 years destroying the asylum system. We've also had the Express, Mail and Telegraph peddling lies, on top of that we've now even got a couple of right wing propaganda channels.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 5, 2024 11:08:59 GMT
Maybe also to an apology due to the foreign nurses who had missiles thrown at them as they went in to work for the NHS, chucked by morons who I'd be very happy for us to deport, if it was fair to anywhere to offload them.
Patriots don't make their country worse.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 5, 2024 11:10:49 GMT
There will be some slightly naive people who turned up to these protests and were a tad surprised by how nasty their bedfellows are. Farage needs putting on the spot - condemn the rioters and what they are doing … or back them. Either way Reform lose some votes I suspect. It’s not just Farage it's Robinson, Braverman, Patel, Anderson, Tice and Johnson, they've all stoked up hatred and benefitted from it, the tories have spent the last 14 years destroying the asylum system. We've also had the Express, Mail and Telegraph peddling lies, on top of that we've now even got a couple of right wing propaganda channels. Most of them now running away from what they helped create. Difficult to know if they're stupid or cowards. I can't be bothered to work it out, so I'm going with 'stupid cowards'.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 5, 2024 11:40:04 GMT
It’s not just Farage it's Robinson, Braverman, Patel, Anderson, Tice and Johnson, they've all stoked up hatred and benefitted from it, the tories have spent the last 14 years destroying the asylum system. We've also had the Express, Mail and Telegraph peddling lies, on top of that we've now even got a couple of right wing propaganda channels. Most of them now running away from what they helped create. Difficult to know if they're stupid or cowards. I can't be bothered to work it out, so I'm going with 'stupid cowards'. Patel, Braverman and Badenoch must be wondering if they look “British enough” to be safe in town centres right now.
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 5, 2024 12:12:55 GMT
Most of them now running away from what they helped create. Difficult to know if they're stupid or cowards. I can't be bothered to work it out, so I'm going with 'stupid cowards'. Patel, Braverman and Badenoch must be wondering if they look “British enough” to be safe in town centres right now. . Shows how spectacularly stupid / desperate they been for approval of the right wing fringes of the Tory party and the far right that they’ve stirred this up for years while thinking it wouldn’t end up being people’ like them’ being attacked in the streets
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Post by Count de Stockport on Aug 5, 2024 20:44:08 GMT
So why’s the US stock market crashing this time? And why is it Labour’s fault?
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 5, 2024 20:58:07 GMT
So why’s the US stock market crashing this time? And why is it Labour’s fault? They’re making loads of stuff nobody wants. Unlike us, who aren’t making anything anybody wants.
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 5, 2024 21:08:57 GMT
There will be some slightly naive people who turned up to these protests and were a tad surprised by how nasty their bedfellows are. Farage needs putting on the spot - condemn the rioters and what they are doing … or back them. Either way Reform lose some votes I suspect. You say ‘slightly naive’ I say thick as f*ck knuckle draggers. Absolutely zero doubt the dregs of our fanbase will be giving it ‘Tommy, Tommy’ at some point in the next few weeks or months. I’d like to think you are wrong, but won’t be holding my breath. Time will tell.
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 5, 2024 21:11:08 GMT
They wouldn’t, I think the scales will be falling off the eyes of those who voted for them as a protest. They’d still get a lot of votes, similar to last time, but they wouldn’t win, if the rioters were replaced by all the people who silently despise Reform and see them for what they are, the crowds would absolutely dwarf those that have been rioting. All Reform do is offer easy to understand solutions to complex problems, typical populist bullshit. They’ve installed a Muslim as their chair, a canny move some might say, but that will put off some of their thick head supporters. Yes. It's possible that the racist violence would help increase the Reform vote. Farage would certainly seek to use the trouble to his advantage. But beyond an anti-immigrant stance, he offers nothing. Look at the Reform manifesto. It was a joke. Plenty of folk, the majority I believe, would be disgusted by the thought of Farage as PM and would vote accordingly to stop that happening. For me, the Brexit referendum opened the door to a new, more strident anti-immigrant nationalism, especially in England. A vein of nationalism or pseudo-patriotism that all too easily tips into hatred. And we've seen it this week. A perversion of patriotism. A corruption of all that makes us decent. But Farage seized the opportunity. It was a gift to him. The Referendum wasn't just about European trade. It was about shifting politics further to the right and getting these nationalist themes into the mainstream, harnessing people's understandable disillusion, and directing that pain against Muslims, immigrants, refugees, anyone who might be labelled or perceived as not being British. And being British is often synonmous with being White in the eyes of some. The Referendum opened the gate to far-right extremism. It's sickening. Possibly the best post I have read on here.
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