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Post by girojim on Jul 14, 2020 12:17:28 GMT
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Post by BWScarf on Jul 14, 2020 12:33:14 GMT
Well, yeah... but what that amounts to, essentially, is ‘if we hadn’t have lost a football match, our PPG would be better’.
No shit.
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Post by Sam on Jul 14, 2020 12:34:53 GMT
Well, yeah... but what that amounts to, essentially, is ‘if we hadn’t have lost a football match, our PPG would be better’. No shit. I think their argument is more around how other sides have benefitted from PPG due having games in hand, directly as a result of having games called off due to a dodgy pitch.
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Post by stonerose on Jul 14, 2020 12:51:10 GMT
It's their duty to make the pitch playable where possible, maybe a bit of credit for their grounds team for getting the game on during Storm Dennis is due rather than using that as an excuse.
They could use a game where they were comfortably beaten and say if the team put a bit more effort in that day it would have been a different outcome at this stage.
We've been the victims of this too but haven't moaned in such a manner, instead we've took what was disappointing outcome graciously.
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Post by Sam on Jul 14, 2020 12:59:36 GMT
It's their duty to make the pitch playable where possible, maybe a bit of credit for their grounds team for getting the game on during Storm Dennis is due rather than using that as an excuse. They could use a game where they were comfortably beaten and say if the team put a bit more effort in that day it would have been a different outcome at this stage. We've been the victims of this too but haven't moaned in such a manner, instead we've took what was disappointing outcome graciously. To be fair, relegation is a much more difficult outcome to accept graciously than missing out on play-offs. They were just stringing a decent run of results together and ended up relegated on PPG by 0.002 of a point. Pretty harsh to dismiss any gripe they might have!
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Post by BWScarf on Jul 14, 2020 13:39:01 GMT
It's harsh, but that's the way it is. They're essentially saying if they had an extra point, they'd have survived.
Yeah, true. But they haven't. Tough lines, that's football.
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Post by Sam on Jul 14, 2020 13:52:22 GMT
Again though, I think they’re trying to paint a picture of the system being flawed/rewarding clubs who’ve failed to get games played and punishing those who did, regardless of the points.
I know they were constantly updating County in terms of getting the game played on a day when a load were called off due to the weather, and when Barnet’s approach was/is “there’s a storm, what do you want us to do?”
I guess what they’re getting at is, what’s the incentive to work to get a game played when in future you’d be better off taking the approach of some other clubs, not bothering and ending up better off for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 15:11:49 GMT
Am I right in thinking the result of that game against us was not a factor in PPG calculations, just the fact that it was played ended up relegating them? If that’s the case you have to feel for them.
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Post by BWScarf on Jul 14, 2020 15:30:41 GMT
Am I right in thinking the result of that game against us was not a factor in PPG calculations, just the fact that it was played ended up relegating them? If that’s the case you have to feel for them. The result is relevant because they played it and they didn’t get any points. If you play one, win one, your PPG is 3. If you play two, win one, lose one, your PPG is 1.5. They can grumble all they want about how fair or not the use of PPG is. They might have a point there. But they’ve only got themselves to blame for losing the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 15:47:05 GMT
Right, but if they’d called it off, like they point out, a bunch of other games in the area were, they would have stayed up. Yes, once they step on the pitch they have to get a result but if that was us and we were a tinpot club and put a game on to accommodate a big southern team bringing a decent following, I would be gutted.
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Post by malvernhatter on Jul 14, 2020 16:35:00 GMT
If Maidenhead had postponed their last game against County, like several other teams did on that day, their PPG would have been better than Ebbsfleet's by a bigger margin. It's tough on them to be relegated in this way, especially when their form was much better than Maidenhead's, but it's not unfair.
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Post by BWScarf on Jul 14, 2020 17:19:21 GMT
Right, but if they’d called it off, like they point out, a bunch of other games in the area were, they would have stayed up. Yes, once they step on the pitch they have to get a result but if that was us and we were a tinpot club and put a game on to accommodate a big southern team bringing a decent following, I would be gutted. Yeah, but it feels a bit 'if my aunty had a cock, she'd be my uncle' to me. Clubs have a duty to get games on when they can. They did. Nice one. They lost it. Tough. It's obviously very harsh on them, and I get why they feel aggrieved. But at the end of the day, the member clubs voted for this course of action, and if Ebbsfleet had picked up more points they wouldn't be in the situation they're in.
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Post by jkb9b on Jul 14, 2020 20:34:41 GMT
I've got a certain amount of sympathy for them but the league could hardly continue in the face of a pandemic and PPG is probably the least unfair method of resolving the final league positions. It wasn't just down to that game against us and the elements, if they'd been slightly less abject earlier in the season they would have stayed up. For the same reason, I can't get too indignant about us missing out on the playoffs; if we'd done better in September or hadn't been out-muscled against the 'Land Of The Giants' clubs like Solihull, Barnet's pitch wouldn't have been an issue.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 15, 2020 9:44:43 GMT
would have sympathy for clubs who have a much higher rainfall in their area than most. halifax, rochdale and oldham come to mind. in barnets case their games have been called off where others near to them have not. spennymoor are another similar club with neither being in large areas of heavy rain.
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Post by DaveLong79 on Jul 15, 2020 13:22:52 GMT
Well, yeah... but what that amounts to, essentially, is ‘if we hadn’t have lost a football match, our PPG would be better’. No shit. I think their argument is more around how other sides have benefitted from PPG due having games in hand, directly as a result of having games called off due to a dodgy pitch. Like Barnet. 8.0.2
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