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Post by BWScarf on Sept 18, 2021 21:16:41 GMT
Stott and the investment isn’t the issue. We were going nowhere under our last set of owners. A bunch of chancers that should’ve been run out of town for seeing us fall to our lowest moments. Don’t give me it all changed after Ryan FC left. Their names were all on the door since admin and they should’ve taken on some responsibility for the sh** they created. The only reason we got back to the NL was because of Jim. We were never going full time under the previous owners. We would just be relying on Jim pulling rabbits out of hats. There’s only so long that could happen. The infrastructure is in place now for us to not just get promoted to league two but build again. We just need the right person in charge. It should’ve been Jim but they f***ed that. So let’s go and get a suitable replacement and build something. Problem is though, we *were* going somewhere under the previous ownership. We quite literally improved season upon season for five years on the spin. It’s not absolving them of responsibility for what came before, but it’s fact. We were progressing. Yes it was because of Jim, but that’s the whole point isn’t it? Stott’s infrastructure work is great, but it’s no good saying something to the effect of ‘everything is good now because we have investment’. Yeah, the resources we have now are insane compared to what we had before. But imagine being £6 million deep, like Stott is, and what you’ve got to show for it is a team that is getting worse rather than better? Investment is one thing, but good investment is another. On the football side of things that hasn’t happened. It’s a big worry. |
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Post by m14hatter on Sept 18, 2021 21:22:59 GMT
Stott and the investment isn’t the issue. We were going nowhere under our last set of owners. A bunch of chancers that should’ve been run out of town for seeing us fall to our lowest moments. Don’t give me it all changed after Ryan FC left. Their names were all on the door since admin and they should’ve taken on some responsibility for the sh** they created. The only reason we got back to the NL was because of Jim. We were never going full time under the previous owners. We would just be relying on Jim pulling rabbits out of hats. There’s only so long that could happen. The infrastructure is in place now for us to not just get promoted to league two but build again. We just need the right person in charge. It should’ve been Jim but they f***ed that. So let’s go and get a suitable replacement and build something. Problem is though, we *were* going somewhere under the previous ownership. We quite literally improved season upon season for five years on the spin. It’s not absolving them of responsibility for what came before, but it’s fact. We were progressing. Yes it was because of Jim, but that’s the whole point isn’t it? Stott’s infrastructure work is great, but it’s no good saying something to the effect of ‘everything is good now because we have investment’. Yeah, the resources we have now are insane compared to what we had before. But imagine being £6 million deep, like Stott is, and what you’ve got to show for it is a team that is getting worse rather than better? Investment is one thing, but good investment is another. On the football side of things that hasn’t happened. It’s a big worry. We were never getting back to the league under the previous lot. I’ve heard they weren’t overly happy with getting back to the NL due to the extra costs and lack of extra funding available at that level due to all the travel costs incurred. It’s no way for the club to be living. It’s just merely existing. We needed to be full time. That had to happen, even Jim said that to get to the next level. The decision to get rid of Jim was idiotic. But that doesn’t mean ‘the project’ or investment or whatever is wrong. It just means we need the right manager in place to get us over the line. I’m not for one second saying everything is rosy off the field and everything is great. I think there’s further changes that are needed but I’d take Stott over the last lot any day of the week. |
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Post by BWScarf on Sept 18, 2021 21:34:53 GMT
Problem is though, we *were* going somewhere under the previous ownership. We quite literally improved season upon season for five years on the spin. It’s not absolving them of responsibility for what came before, but it’s fact. We were progressing. Yes it was because of Jim, but that’s the whole point isn’t it? Stott’s infrastructure work is great, but it’s no good saying something to the effect of ‘everything is good now because we have investment’. Yeah, the resources we have now are insane compared to what we had before. But imagine being £6 million deep, like Stott is, and what you’ve got to show for it is a team that is getting worse rather than better? Investment is one thing, but good investment is another. On the football side of things that hasn’t happened. It’s a big worry. We were never getting back to the league under the previous lot. I’ve heard they weren’t overly happy with getting back to the NL due to the extra costs and lack of extra funding available at that level due to all the travel costs incurred. It’s no way for the club to be living. It’s just merely existing. We needed to be full time. That had to happen, even Jim said that to get to the next level. The decision to get rid of Jim was idiotic. But that doesn’t mean ‘the project’ or investment or whatever is wrong. It just means we need the right manager in place to get us over the line. I’m not for one second saying everything is rosy off the field and everything is great. I think there’s further changes that are needed but I’d take Stott over the last lot any day of the week. Yeah, most of us probably would. But it doesn’t have to be shit or bust, does it? I think changing the manager without changing the strategy that’s led us to this point would be lunacy. Either you stick with the shitshow we’ve got and hope it works, or you look at the whole thing - the recruitment, the huge contracts, the size of the coaching staff, and yes obviously the management of the squad, and say ‘yep, we got that wrong, let’s do things differently’. |
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Post by m14hatter on Sept 18, 2021 21:42:29 GMT
We were never getting back to the league under the previous lot. I’ve heard they weren’t overly happy with getting back to the NL due to the extra costs and lack of extra funding available at that level due to all the travel costs incurred. It’s no way for the club to be living. It’s just merely existing. We needed to be full time. That had to happen, even Jim said that to get to the next level. The decision to get rid of Jim was idiotic. But that doesn’t mean ‘the project’ or investment or whatever is wrong. It just means we need the right manager in place to get us over the line. I’m not for one second saying everything is rosy off the field and everything is great. I think there’s further changes that are needed but I’d take Stott over the last lot any day of the week. Yeah, most of us probably would. But it doesn’t have to be shit or bust, does it? I think changing the manager without changing the strategy that’s led us to this point would be lunacy. Either you stick with the shitshow we’ve got and hope it works, or you look at the whole thing - the recruitment, the huge contracts, the size of the coaching staff, and yes obviously the management of the squad, and say ‘yep, we got that wrong, let’s do things differently’. Completely agree. But i also think you can look at the recruitment this summer as to how that’s changing. We’ve got a much smaller squad. Got rid of dead wood like Maynard, Bell, Thomas and Bennett. Signed younger players and youth prospects. And then just added a couple of quality additions like Quigley and Whitfield. It’s not been perfect. We’ve obviously seen the imbalance with the lack of left footers and then the search for a fourth striker. (Although I will say I was happy to go with three and just bring in loans as needed to cover). I don’t t think the issue lies with the recruitment or squad profile. I do believe the players are here to get us promoted. We just need someone to get the best from them. Any new manager is obviously going to want their own team in place, which is fair enough. If Rusk goes I imagine we’ll say bye to Beard, McGhee and Conlon as well. So that will cut things down particularly if Wilson limits whoever comes in to just one assistant manager. |
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Post by m20hatter on Sept 18, 2021 21:43:49 GMT
Yeah, most of us probably would. But it doesn’t have to be shit or bust, does it? I think changing the manager without changing the strategy that’s led us to this point would be lunacy. Either you stick with the shitshow we’ve got and hope it works, or you look at the whole thing - the recruitment, the huge contracts, the size of the coaching staff, and yes obviously the management of the squad, and say ‘yep, we got that wrong, let’s do things differently’. Completely agree. But i also think you can look at the recruitment this summer as to how that’s changing. We’ve got a much smaller squad. Got rid of dead wood like Maynard, Bell, Thomas and Bennett. Signed younger players and youth prospects. And then just added a couple of quality additions like Quigley and Whitfield. It’s not been perfect. We’ve obviously seen the imbalance with the lack of left footers and then the search for a fourth striker. (Although I will say I was happy to go with three and just bring in loans as needed to cover). I don’t t think the issue lies with the recruitment or squad profile. I do believe the players are here to get us promoted. We just need someone to get the best from them. Any new manager is obviously going to want their own team in place, which is fair enough. If Rusk goes I imagine we’ll say bye to Beard, McGhee and Conlon as well. So that will cut things down particularly if Wilson limits whoever comes in to just one assistant manager. Most managers could get a tune out of this squad, maybe not every game but definitely more often than we’re seeing now. |
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Post by m14hatter on Sept 18, 2021 21:45:35 GMT
Completely agree. But i also think you can look at the recruitment this summer as to how that’s changing. We’ve got a much smaller squad. Got rid of dead wood like Maynard, Bell, Thomas and Bennett. Signed younger players and youth prospects. And then just added a couple of quality additions like Quigley and Whitfield. It’s not been perfect. We’ve obviously seen the imbalance with the lack of left footers and then the search for a fourth striker. (Although I will say I was happy to go with three and just bring in loans as needed to cover). I don’t t think the issue lies with the recruitment or squad profile. I do believe the players are here to get us promoted. We just need someone to get the best from them. Any new manager is obviously going to want their own team in place, which is fair enough. If Rusk goes I imagine we’ll say bye to Beard, McGhee and Conlon as well. So that will cut things down particularly if Wilson limits whoever comes in to just one assistant manager. Most managers could get a tune out of this squad, maybe not every game but definitely more often than we’re seeing now. That’s my feeling. There’s an abundance of riches in this squad. Just needs fine tuning. |
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Post by atmosphere on Sept 18, 2021 21:54:18 GMT
The manager is terrible. Can't coach, motivate, give confidence, make the right subs. He's not good at one aspect of being a football manager and it's been evident for months.
How he survived Yeovil is anyone's guess.
We're going nowhere under his guy. Anyone who backs him is just doing it out of blind loyalty, I'm sure of it.
I'm stunned Stott didn't push the button on Rusk after Yeovil. And he's gone down in my estimations to be honest. He's been backing a terrible horse here for months and months.
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Post by BWScarf on Sept 18, 2021 22:13:47 GMT
Yeah, most of us probably would. But it doesn’t have to be shit or bust, does it? I think changing the manager without changing the strategy that’s led us to this point would be lunacy. Either you stick with the shitshow we’ve got and hope it works, or you look at the whole thing - the recruitment, the huge contracts, the size of the coaching staff, and yes obviously the management of the squad, and say ‘yep, we got that wrong, let’s do things differently’. Completely agree. But i also think you can look at the recruitment this summer as to how that’s changing. We’ve got a much smaller squad. Got rid of dead wood like Maynard, Bell, Thomas and Bennett. Signed younger players and youth prospects. And then just added a couple of quality additions like Quigley and Whitfield. It’s not been perfect. We’ve obviously seen the imbalance with the lack of left footers and then the search for a fourth striker. (Although I will say I was happy to go with three and just bring in loans as needed to cover). I don’t t think the issue lies with the recruitment or squad profile. I do believe the players are here to get us promoted. We just need someone to get the best from them. Any new manager is obviously going to want their own team in place, which is fair enough. If Rusk goes I imagine we’ll say bye to Beard, McGhee and Conlon as well. So that will cut things down particularly if Wilson limits whoever comes in to just one assistant manager. They do seem to have learnt something over summer, yeah. I fear the legacy of last season’s recklessness might take a while to sort out though because of the lengths of the contracts. I agree better management would get far more out of this team. Whether it’s good enough I’m not sure, but it’s not as bad as the lower-mid-table shite we’ve looked like so far. I think there’s definitely an attitudinal problem - JG alluded to it, and SR seems to be hinting at the same thing in the last couple of weeks. If we do have a new manager coming in, it’ll be interesting to see whether there’s an upturn in results; and if there is, whether it can be sustained, or whether after a period of time we’d see a reversion to the mean. |
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Post by m14hatter on Sept 18, 2021 22:20:17 GMT
Completely agree. But i also think you can look at the recruitment this summer as to how that’s changing. We’ve got a much smaller squad. Got rid of dead wood like Maynard, Bell, Thomas and Bennett. Signed younger players and youth prospects. And then just added a couple of quality additions like Quigley and Whitfield. It’s not been perfect. We’ve obviously seen the imbalance with the lack of left footers and then the search for a fourth striker. (Although I will say I was happy to go with three and just bring in loans as needed to cover). I don’t t think the issue lies with the recruitment or squad profile. I do believe the players are here to get us promoted. We just need someone to get the best from them. Any new manager is obviously going to want their own team in place, which is fair enough. If Rusk goes I imagine we’ll say bye to Beard, McGhee and Conlon as well. So that will cut things down particularly if Wilson limits whoever comes in to just one assistant manager. They do seem to have learnt something over summer, yeah. I fear the legacy of last season’s recklessness might take a while to sort out though because of the lengths of the contracts. I agree better management would get far more out of this team. Whether it’s good enough I’m not sure, but it’s not as bad as the lower-mid-table shite we’ve looked like so far. I think there’s definitely an attitudinal problem - JG alluded to it, and SR seems to be hinting at the same thing in the last couple of weeks. If we do have a new manager coming in, it’ll be interesting to see whether there’s an upturn in results; and if there is, whether it can be sustained, or whether after a period of time we’d see a reversion to the mean. I do think there’s an attitude problem. There’s a lot of big egos in that dressing room. I think it needs someone to manage them. It’s going to be really interesting to see what approach we take with any new managerial appointment. Think it will say a lot about where the vision is heading - if it’s another youth coach type appointment I think that will show we’re sticking to Wilson’s philosophy. If it’s someone with more experience then I think that will show Stott is taking more interest in matters and is applying pressure to deliver. |
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 18, 2021 22:35:06 GMT
Completely agree. But i also think you can look at the recruitment this summer as to how that’s changing. We’ve got a much smaller squad. Got rid of dead wood like Maynard, Bell, Thomas and Bennett. Signed younger players and youth prospects. And then just added a couple of quality additions like Quigley and Whitfield. It’s not been perfect. We’ve obviously seen the imbalance with the lack of left footers and then the search for a fourth striker. (Although I will say I was happy to go with three and just bring in loans as needed to cover). I don’t t think the issue lies with the recruitment or squad profile. I do believe the players are here to get us promoted. We just need someone to get the best from them. Any new manager is obviously going to want their own team in place, which is fair enough. If Rusk goes I imagine we’ll say bye to Beard, McGhee and Conlon as well. So that will cut things down particularly if Wilson limits whoever comes in to just one assistant manager. They do seem to have learnt something over summer, yeah. I fear the legacy of last season’s recklessness might take a while to sort out though because of the lengths of the contracts. I agree better management would get far more out of this team. Whether it’s good enough I’m not sure, but it’s not as bad as the lower-mid-table shite we’ve looked like so far. I think there’s definitely an attitudinal problem - JG alluded to it, and SR seems to be hinting at the same thing in the last couple of weeks. If we do have a new manager coming in, it’ll be interesting to see whether there’s an upturn in results; and if there is, whether it can be sustained, or whether after a period of time we’d see a reversion to the mean. Genuinely think we're absolutely f*cked. Too much rashness and naivety on the transfer market. We've a handful of players who are effectively our neo-Social Loafers who are going to take us backwards. Let's admit...too many got too carried away and, might I say, were a little overly eager to shit on the viewpoints of those such as myself who were erring towards caution in the early days. I'll be candid. I wonder now what the plan is. I still, singularly, can't fathom the thinking behind signing Rusk. There's no element of that decision that makes sense. Other than one which I'll just get mocked for contemplating. Hum. |
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Post by m14hatter on Sept 18, 2021 22:44:21 GMT
They do seem to have learnt something over summer, yeah. I fear the legacy of last season’s recklessness might take a while to sort out though because of the lengths of the contracts. I agree better management would get far more out of this team. Whether it’s good enough I’m not sure, but it’s not as bad as the lower-mid-table shite we’ve looked like so far. I think there’s definitely an attitudinal problem - JG alluded to it, and SR seems to be hinting at the same thing in the last couple of weeks. If we do have a new manager coming in, it’ll be interesting to see whether there’s an upturn in results; and if there is, whether it can be sustained, or whether after a period of time we’d see a reversion to the mean. Genuinely think we're absolutely f*cked. Too much rashness and naivety on the transfer market. We've a handful of players who are effectively our neo-Social Loafers who are going to take us backwards. Let's admit...too many got too carried away and, might I say, were a little overly eager to shit on the viewpoints of those such as myself who were erring towards caution in the early days. I'll be candid. I wonder now what the plan is. I still, singularly, can't fathom the thinking behind signing Rusk. There's no element of that decision that makes sense. Other than one which I'll just get mocked for contemplating. Hum. This is largely the same squad that finished third last year. The same squad that has given us some of the best away form the club’s ever had. Not denying there’s not egos but they’re good players. Just needs the right appointment now to make it come good. |
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Post by countybumpkin on Sept 18, 2021 22:45:49 GMT
They do seem to have learnt something over summer, yeah. I fear the legacy of last season’s recklessness might take a while to sort out though because of the lengths of the contracts. I agree better management would get far more out of this team. Whether it’s good enough I’m not sure, but it’s not as bad as the lower-mid-table shite we’ve looked like so far. I think there’s definitely an attitudinal problem - JG alluded to it, and SR seems to be hinting at the same thing in the last couple of weeks. If we do have a new manager coming in, it’ll be interesting to see whether there’s an upturn in results; and if there is, whether it can be sustained, or whether after a period of time we’d see a reversion to the mean. Genuinely think we're absolutely f*cked. Too much rashness and naivety on the transfer market. We've a handful of players who are effectively our neo-Social Loafers who are going to take us backwards. Let's admit...too many got too carried away and, might I say, were a little overly eager to shit on the viewpoints of those such as myself who were erring towards caution in the early days. I'll be candid. I wonder now what the plan is. I still, singularly, can't fathom the thinking behind signing Rusk. There's no element of that decision that makes sense. Other than one which I'll just get mocked for contemplating. Hum. It makes sense to Wilson and that’s all that matters in thiis sad old chapter of our club’s history. His ego > Stockport County |
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 18, 2021 22:50:09 GMT
Genuinely think we're absolutely f*cked. Too much rashness and naivety on the transfer market. We've a handful of players who are effectively our neo-Social Loafers who are going to take us backwards. Let's admit...too many got too carried away and, might I say, were a little overly eager to shit on the viewpoints of those such as myself who were erring towards caution in the early days. I'll be candid. I wonder now what the plan is. I still, singularly, can't fathom the thinking behind signing Rusk. There's no element of that decision that makes sense. Other than one which I'll just get mocked for contemplating. Hum. This is largely the same squad that finished third last year. The same squad that has given us some of the best away form the club’s ever had. Not denying there’s not egos but they’re good players. Just needs the right appointment now to make it come good. Well. We'll see. 7 games gone. No hiding place for them really. |
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Post by ebbs on Sept 18, 2021 23:19:09 GMT
Problem is though, we *were* going somewhere under the previous ownership. We quite literally improved season upon season for five years on the spin. It’s not absolving them of responsibility for what came before, but it’s fact. We were progressing. Yes it was because of Jim, but that’s the whole point isn’t it? Stott’s infrastructure work is great, but it’s no good saying something to the effect of ‘everything is good now because we have investment’. Yeah, the resources we have now are insane compared to what we had before. But imagine being £6 million deep, like Stott is, and what you’ve got to show for it is a team that is getting worse rather than better? Investment is one thing, but good investment is another. On the football side of things that hasn’t happened. It’s a big worry. We were never getting back to the league under the previous lot. I’ve heard they weren’t overly happy with getting back to the NL due to the extra costs and lack of extra funding available at that level due to all the travel costs incurred. It’s no way for the club to be living. It’s just merely existing. We needed to be full time. That had to happen, even Jim said that to get to the next level. The decision to get rid of Jim was idiotic. But that doesn’t mean ‘the project’ or investment or whatever is wrong. It just means we need the right manager in place to get us over the line. I’m not for one second saying everything is rosy off the field and everything is great. I think there’s further changes that are needed but I’d take Stott over the last lot any day of the week. We'll never have a right manager while Wilson is involved. |
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 18, 2021 23:19:56 GMT
They do seem to have learnt something over summer, yeah… What they don’t seem to have learned is there’s an obvious “horse to water” aspect to becoming a football league club that simply getting hold of everything in The Ladybird Book of Football Management doesn’t automatically provide. Someone said “Waitrose McKnight” earlier, which about sums it up I think… |
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