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Post by Sina on Nov 3, 2021 6:52:22 GMT
Maybe he was asked for an interview, why do you assume he's pushing himself to the front all the time to bathe in the spotlight
Then say "no thanks this isn't about me" You never see a director of football being interviewed when a club appoints a new manager. Spurs didn't interview there's today, strange that it's only us that do it. I don't think saying "Spurs didn't do it, therefore it's only us that do it" is going to be factually correct. More than two clubs in the country with a Director of Football.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Nov 3, 2021 6:56:09 GMT
Then say "no thanks this isn't about me" You never see a director of football being interviewed when a club appoints a new manager. Spurs didn't interview there's today, strange that it's only us that do it. I don't think saying "Spurs didn't do it, therefore it's only us that do it" is going to be factually correct. More than two clubs in the country with a Director of Football. Well, if you type “director of football” into your search engine of choice then go to the videos tab, you get several of David Flitcroft at Vale, and the rest are all third-party videos at least on the first couple of pages of results. So we appear to be in a minority of two. HTH
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Post by Sina on Nov 3, 2021 7:23:47 GMT
I don't think saying "Spurs didn't do it, therefore it's only us that do it" is going to be factually correct. More than two clubs in the country with a Director of Football. Well, if you type “director of football” into your search engine of choice then go to the videos tab, you get several of David Flitcroft at Vale, and the rest are all third-party videos at least on the first couple of pages of results. So we appear to be in a minority of two. HTH Plenty more will have done it. Let's not suggest it's only two as we look silly.
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Post by leicesterhatter on Nov 3, 2021 7:36:25 GMT
So there we have it…to paraphrase, ‘I am responsible for the style of play’ To be fair to him on that point, he did say that he wants that to be us playing attacking entertaining football. Which we haven't. If that is the extent of his remit when it comes to 'style' I've no qualms with it. He says good things. He says things I don't necessarily believe. He brings up pre-Rusk whilst at the same time taking about sackings being a case of 'closing the door' on the preceding period. That last bit I'm not keen on. Reflection on past errors is a major part of learning. You shouldn't just put your mistakes in a box and file them away. Appointing Challinor based on a set of criteria which make sense (perhaps Elstone's input?) is a positive step in the right direction, and I get the impression he's not one for being treated like a puppet. But there's still lessons to be learned - and I expect he'll need to learn them quickly.
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Post by muddywaters on Nov 3, 2021 8:05:39 GMT
I for one can't see what Simon Wilson brings to the party. But I am sure of one thing, if he gets into a battle of wills with Dave Challinor he'll be the one picking up his P45 not the manager. Mr Stott is not going to make the same mistake twice !!
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Post by NATHAN PYE on Nov 3, 2021 8:07:46 GMT
Can the statisticians among the forum confirm or deny the statement that County were leaking goals before SR was appointed?
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Post by philtheglass on Nov 3, 2021 8:32:17 GMT
Maybe he was asked for an interview, why do you assume he's pushing himself to the front all the time to bathe in the spotlight
Then say "no thanks this isn't about me" You never see a director of football being interviewed when a club appoints a new manager. Spurs didn't interview there's today, strange that it's only us that do it. But he was heavily involved in the process Maybe the Groundsman could answer the question 'how did the move come about' or perhaps someone in the ticket office could shed light on the qualities identified in the new Manager
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Post by herbiedumplings on Nov 3, 2021 8:39:16 GMT
Can the statisticians among the forum confirm or deny the statement that County were leaking goals before SR was appointed? We did let in twice as many goals per game under JG last season than we did under SR, and scored more too. From Chesterfield (H) onwards, County were looking pretty good in fairness; it’s just that a) other teams were doing similarly well so we only ended up climbing a single place in the table despite all the efforts, and b) when it really mattered in the playoffs we were hopeless. And of course never really picked up after that…
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Post by herbiedumplings on Nov 3, 2021 8:48:48 GMT
Then say "no thanks this isn't about me" You never see a director of football being interviewed when a club appoints a new manager. Spurs didn't interview there's today, strange that it's only us that do it. But he was heavily involved in the process Maybe the Groundsman could answer the question 'how did the move come about' or perhaps someone in the ticket office could shed light on the qualities identified in the new Manager
You say that, but as has already been pointed out, literally *none* of the success criteria he quoted for the appointment of Challinor would have applied to Rusk. Call it learning from experience if you like, but it calls into question the quality of his insight if “what good looks like” seems to depend heavily on whether the ideal candidate is or isn’t a former team-mate of Wilson’s…
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Post by philtheglass on Nov 3, 2021 8:56:20 GMT
Its inevitable that he'll make mistakes, we all do, but the real crime is if he hadn't learned from it & we'd appointed another person with no managerial experience at a club of our size. People were calling for Phil Parkinson from Altrincham...to me that would have been as big a risk as appointing Simon Rusk
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Post by herbiedumplings on Nov 3, 2021 9:05:44 GMT
Its inevitable that he'll make mistakes, we all do, but the real crime is if he hadn't learned from it & we'd appointed another person with no managerial experience at a club of our size. People were calling for Phil Parkinson from Altrincham...to me that would have been as big a risk as appointing Simon Rusk Very forgiving of you - in which case why get rid of Rusk (or Gannon for that matter) at all, if we’re figuring it out as we’re going along?
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Post by timberwolf on Nov 3, 2021 9:13:13 GMT
I for one can't see what Simon Wilson brings to the party. blah, blah, bullshit. didn,t listen to his latest interview as i had my fill with the last one. football and the rest of the world would not miss these types who really just take up a wage.
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Post by philtheglass on Nov 3, 2021 9:13:49 GMT
Its inevitable that he'll make mistakes, we all do, but the real crime is if he hadn't learned from it & we'd appointed another person with no managerial experience at a club of our size. People were calling for Phil Parkinson from Altrincham...to me that would have been as big a risk as appointing Simon Rusk Very forgiving of you - in which case why get rid of Rusk (or Gannon for that matter) at all, if we’re figuring it out as we’re going along? No point in holding grudges because its not going to change what happened
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Post by suedehead on Nov 3, 2021 9:15:08 GMT
I thought we ended up on better PPG under Rusk than with Jim last season? Wilson doesn’t bother me. Most clubs seem to operate a DoF model. I think the hate only stems from the Jim decision and from what I’ve heard it wasn’t just Wilson who wanted him out and it was inevitably going to happen. Hopefully Challinor is the right appointment and the club can move forward as one and come May we’re celebrating being back in the EFL. He certainly wasn’t the only one, and Stott gets off far too lightly for the Gannon disaster IMO. But Wilson was the face of it. Perhaps he’s unfairly maligned, but he appeared to set himself up as the new kid on the block who was the progressive, while Jim was the dinosaur. It sets people against you: I owe Simon Wilson absolutely nothing, but I owe Gannon an entire lifetime of memories. I think that’s what he’s going to struggle to recover from in the court of public opinion. That said, let’s see how things go with Challinor. It’s no secret many of us want to see the back of Wilson, but it’s not in our gift. If Challinor finds a way to work with him, then to borrow a Ruskism, it is what it is. Wilson may have been the face of it, but by all accounts Stott was the brains.
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Post by NATHAN PYE on Nov 3, 2021 9:56:22 GMT
Seen on YouTube this morning as a comment on the SW interview: The NEW (Post Simon Rusk FAILED Experiment) Brief for a manager of Stockport County is as follows... Desirable Qualities required.... Experience, 100 games plus (See Jim Gannon) Level of Success in those 100 plus games (See Jim Gannon) A Title (See Jim Gannon) Or Promotion (See Jim Gannon) Serial Play Off wins (See Jim Gannon) Serial Overachievement Vs Budget (See Jim Gannon). Need we go on Simong!!! Seriously... What is the effing point of you!!! Mr Stott, please stop wasting your time and Money on this man. He's nought but a chancer. Courtesy of Andy McDade
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