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Post by vicar on May 23, 2021 8:29:30 GMT
Was unable to see the game today but sat here so depressed now that we have given Hartlepool such a boost . We just didn’t need to go to Yeovil needing the win had we won any of our recent home games. Today’s I thought was a banker but never underestimate a County side ready to balls it up I agree we always balls it up at home. Not confident of the playoffs. Another year out of the football league sickens me. Cannot see us winning the playoffs. Notts County will win it unless we get Madden back fit. Madden will be fit, my mate said there was no sign of a limp yesterday.
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Post by vicar on May 23, 2021 8:31:22 GMT
All these post war records and unbeaten runs mean f*ck all if we don’t go up. Too many draws for it too mean anything.
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Post by ricky on May 23, 2021 8:46:29 GMT
I realise it's a generalisation but because teams usually come to EP to secure a point, I think our normal slow possession game plays into their hands. Away from home teams usually come at us too some extent which enables us to counter-attack etc. Personally I think the lack of off the ball forward movement and constant recycling to midfield and then defence is ineffective. We might have the vast majority of possession but if we are playing two defensive players in midfield and players don't make any runs ahead, then a simple energetic pressing game gets us to keep playing the ball back and across our defence. All these draws will see us stay in this division becuase IMO a 'safety first' mentality will not win the play-offs and it's hard to change these ingrained default reactions when under pressure. I’ve not checked but I wonder if the run over the last 17 was replicated over a whole season would it win us the title. I’m not saying we’d go a whole season without losing, but would be interesting to know if this run in itself is title winning form, despite the draws.
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Post by m20hatter on May 23, 2021 8:54:42 GMT
Was very fortunate to go yesterday, firstly I thought it was all very organised and felt very safe… arguably too safe and you could have easily had 4,000 fans in there.
First half was terrible but feared the worst when we started one striker and it being Reid on his own. But fair play to Rusk for sorting that at half time, a pretty early change for him and Bennett really did change the game… how we didn’t win is beyond me.
Other players to mention…
Rooney was really good for about 15 minutes, seemed fired up and looked impressive. His touch to take it over a player and turn was absolutely quality and right in front of us. But he just went missing for long periods, most of his passes were sideways, backwards or behind players & he does take far too many touches.
Newby lacked a bit of end product quality today, but what a player to watch live, he’s just got getting us forward on his mind whenever he gets the ball. MSH is the same for me, creates a buzz when he gets the ball and he is absolutely rapid.
Hogan was shaky today, at a time when we need him most, his form has started to falter a little. Hopefully all this is out his system as we go into the final game and playoffs.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on May 23, 2021 9:05:08 GMT
Crowd in hedgies report is 2273. Does that mean 2000 through turnstiles + 273 via corporate, complimentary, or whatever?
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Post by timberwolf on May 23, 2021 9:23:43 GMT
I realise it's a generalisation but because teams usually come to EP to secure a point, I think our normal slow possession game plays into their hands. Away from home teams usually come at us too some extent which enables us to counter-attack etc. Personally I think the lack of off the ball forward movement and constant recycling to midfield and then defence is ineffective. We might have the vast majority of possession but if we are playing two defensive players in midfield and players don't make any runs ahead, then a simple energetic pressing game gets us to keep playing the ball back and across our defence. All these draws will see us stay in this division becuase IMO a 'safety first' mentality will not win the play-offs and it's hard to change these ingrained default reactions when under pressure. agree with every word of that. the safety first mentality may have avoided stupid home defeats like we have had in the past but also caused us to draw many more games than we should have. it would never happen but if we had won and lost these drawn games in equal numbers we,d be in a better position than we are now.
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Post by herbiedumplings on May 23, 2021 12:26:44 GMT
I *think* it’s good for us that Sutton are leading, right? In the absence of the option of them both losing, that’s the best outcome we could have hoped for if it stays that way?
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Post by hedleyverity on May 23, 2021 12:34:18 GMT
I *think* it’s good for us that Sutton are leading, right? In the absence of the option of them both losing, that’s the best outcome we could have hoped for if it stays that way? Been a while since you looked at the league table?
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Post by herbiedumplings on May 23, 2021 12:42:38 GMT
I *think* it’s good for us that Sutton are leading, right? In the absence of the option of them both losing, that’s the best outcome we could have hoped for if it stays that way? Been a while since you looked at the league table? I know it’s been a few games since we could catch Sutton mathematically, but having a team winning the league before the last game of the season just shows how far off the pace the other teams have been IMO. That’s what I meant about the possibility of them losing.
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Post by oakwoodbank on May 23, 2021 18:29:03 GMT
I think we shouldn’t underestimate the shift Woking put in added to their underhand tactics. A run of 10 consecutive defeats is remarkably bad but bound to end at some stage. Woking seemed more fired up by the crowd whereas it seemed that County were weighed down a little by expectation. That all changed in the second half, County played well, a combination of bad luck, profligacy and Woking’s doggedness frustrated County in the end. The problem wasn’t necessarily today, but it’s happened too often at home with both managers. Either way, if we finish 3rd, it’s still an excellent season that may still become even better. -- Let's forget the play in the middle third because no matter how good that is or has been; the players who should be scoring goals are missing the bull's eye —constantly. That is a problem which needs the attention of the coaching staff.
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Post by DaveLong79 on May 23, 2021 18:50:55 GMT
I agree we always balls it up at home. Not confident of the playoffs. Another year out of the football league sickens me. Cannot see us winning the playoffs. Notts County will win it unless we get Madden back fit. Madden will be fit, my mate said there was no sign of a limp yesterday. FWIW I saw Madden outside the ground yesterday, looked to be walking okay - whether that means anything in regards to the injury I've no idea.
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Post by ricky on May 23, 2021 19:18:03 GMT
I think we shouldn’t underestimate the shift Woking put in added to their underhand tactics. A run of 10 consecutive defeats is remarkably bad but bound to end at some stage. Woking seemed more fired up by the crowd whereas it seemed that County were weighed down a little by expectation. That all changed in the second half, County played well, a combination of bad luck, profligacy and Woking’s doggedness frustrated County in the end. The problem wasn’t necessarily today, but it’s happened too often at home with both managers. Either way, if we finish 3rd, it’s still an excellent season that may still become even better. -- Let's forget the play in the middle third because no matter how good that is or has been; the players who should be scoring goals are missing the bull's eye —constantly. That is a problem which needs the attention of the coaching staff. 100% correct, I guess why they’re at this level. For all the ‘Hartlepool’s crosses are better than ours’ rubbish, here we are again with Bennett missing a sitter for us, I like Bennett by the way, just he’s not done it for us enough.
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Post by herbiedumplings on May 24, 2021 7:57:59 GMT
Let's forget the play in the middle third because no matter how good that is or has been; the players who should be scoring goals are missing the bull's eye —constantly. That is a problem which needs the attention of the coaching staff. 100% correct, I guess why they’re at this level. For all the ‘Hartlepool’s crosses are better than ours’ rubbish, here we are again with Bennett missing a sitter for us, I like Bennett by the way, just he’s not done it for us enough. We’ve been here before with Odejayi and others I suppose, and it’s part of what makes me hugely sceptical about applying analytics down to this level. If you are making assumptions about performance from aggregated data, you’re trying to apply interquartile values when we’re down in the 10th percentile. Hence it’s all very our DoF saying on average the team with the most possession wins the game, but in the context of the whole of professional football we are not an “average” team. And as it happens, since Rusk took over the most likely outcome if we dominate possession is actually a draw. (The most likely outcome for games where we had had the most possession was a win while Gannon was still in charge, which is ironic…)
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Post by timberwolf on May 24, 2021 10:18:32 GMT
Hence it’s all very our DoF saying on average the team with the most possession wins the game, but in the context of the whole of professional football we are not an “average” team. And as it happens, since Rusk took over the most likely outcome if we dominate possession is actually a draw. (The most likely outcome for games where we had had the most possession was a win while Gannon was still in charge, which is ironic…) if possession is the be all and end all of football then burnley should have been relegated by christmas in all their seasons in the premier league. even games they win they have less possession than their opponents. if you have to have a possession stat then one where teams have it in the final third of the pitch may be more relevant.
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Post by FridoBiggins on May 24, 2021 10:41:51 GMT
I think we shouldn’t underestimate the shift Woking put in added to their underhand tactics. A run of 10 consecutive defeats is remarkably bad but bound to end at some stage. Woking seemed more fired up by the crowd whereas it seemed that County were weighed down a little by expectation. That all changed in the second half, County played well, a combination of bad luck, profligacy and Woking’s doggedness frustrated County in the end. The problem wasn’t necessarily today, but it’s happened too often at home with both managers. Either way, if we finish 3rd, it’s still an excellent season that may still become even better. -- Let's forget the play in the middle third because no matter how good that is or has been; the players who should be scoring goals are missing the bull's eye —constantly. That is a problem which needs the attention of the coaching staff. I think it's harsh to say that our 'goalscorers' are constantly missing the bull's eye. With Torquay, we are comfortably the second top scorers in the division. In the second half on Saturday we created enough chances to win several games, with very fine margins and a very good performance from their keeper meaning that incredibly it remained 1-1.
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