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Post by Nik on Jun 25, 2024 19:08:36 GMT
It really isn't. Just look at the outrage aimed at Jon Snow when he didn't wear a poppy on Channel 4. Your comment is the first I knew of it so hardly front page news. To claim the poppy is in any way a far right ideology is madness considering the number of people that it represents from all political, religious and ethnic backgrounds. Not much gets under my skin more than the laziness of the assumption that it is in any way far right. You've misunderstood there, I think.
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Post by nelly on Jun 25, 2024 19:15:48 GMT
Your comment is the first I knew of it so hardly front page news. To claim the poppy is in any way a far right ideology is madness considering the number of people that it represents from all political, religious and ethnic backgrounds. Not much gets under my skin more than the laziness of the assumption that it is in any way far right. You've misunderstood there, I think. I don't wear a Poppy and I'm ex RAF. I do go to the war memorial in Bredbury occasionally to pay my respects to my Great Uncle who was killed in WW1.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Jun 25, 2024 21:01:09 GMT
It really isn't. Just look at the outrage aimed at Jon Snow when he didn't wear a poppy on Channel 4. Your comment is the first I knew of it so hardly front page news. To claim the poppy is in any way a far right ideology is madness considering the number of people that it represents from all political, religious and ethnic backgrounds. Not much gets under my skin more than the laziness of the assumption that it is in any way far right. Have you been living in a cave these last ten years? Look up @giantpoppywatch on X-Twitter. And the right certainly have been trying ever so hard to claim the poppy for themselves as a stick to beat everyone else with
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Post by CB1883 on Jun 25, 2024 21:15:12 GMT
Your comment is the first I knew of it so hardly front page news. To claim the poppy is in any way a far right ideology is madness considering the number of people that it represents from all political, religious and ethnic backgrounds. Not much gets under my skin more than the laziness of the assumption that it is in any way far right. Have you been living in a cave these last ten years? Look up @giantpoppywatch on X-Twitter. And the right certainly have been trying ever so hard to claim the poppy for themselves as a stick to beat everyone else with I’m copying and pasting my comment from earlier in the thread. Bizarre exaggeration of what actually happens in the case of a very high percentage of people. Not saying there aren’t people using the poppy for the complete wrong reasons but let’s not kid ourselves, its a tiny tiny percentage of people.
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Post by Imposter on Jun 25, 2024 21:47:19 GMT
It really isn't. Just look at the outrage aimed at Jon Snow when he didn't wear a poppy on Channel 4. Your comment is the first I knew of it so hardly front page news. To claim the poppy is in any way a far right ideology is madness considering the number of people that it represents from all political, religious and ethnic backgrounds. Not much gets under my skin more than the laziness of the assumption that it is in any way far right. Which isn't what I said. I said there is a group on the right (whether they are far right or just right is irrelevant) who have hijacked and abused the poppy for their own gains. And from what I see and hear it's not a tiny minority, it's quite a large, and vocal, group.
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Post by Mozzer on Jun 26, 2024 5:25:12 GMT
Have you been living in a cave these last ten years? Look up @giantpoppywatch on X-Twitter. And the right certainly have been trying ever so hard to claim the poppy for themselves as a stick to beat everyone else with I’m copying and pasting my comment from earlier in the thread. Bizarre exaggeration of what actually happens in the case of a very high percentage of people. Not saying there aren’t people using the poppy for the complete wrong reasons but let’s not kid ourselves, its a tiny tiny percentage of people. It's parts of the mainstream media and a significant rump of social media. No-one is saying the poppy is an inherently right-wing thing, but that sections of the right-wing have tried to hijack it. They are a minority of people, yes, but it is not, as if often the way, something that is minor in influence.
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Post by stevie57 on Jun 26, 2024 7:48:15 GMT
A lot of this discussion is in fact not about the poppy but about other issues which have been attached to it; someone mentioned James McLean - his issue was not really the poppy about which he couldn’t care less but more about making a statement about Irish Republican Nationalism (a valid political viewpoint but nothing really to do with poppies and the dead of WW1); the same is true of many of the other points raised.
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 26, 2024 7:52:27 GMT
I’m copying and pasting my comment from earlier in the thread. Bizarre exaggeration of what actually happens in the case of a very high percentage of people. Not saying there aren’t people using the poppy for the complete wrong reasons but let’s not kid ourselves, its a tiny tiny percentage of people. It's parts of the mainstream media and a significant rump of social media. No-one is saying the poppy is an inherently right-wing thing, but that sections of the right-wing have tried to hijack it. They are a minority of people, yes, but it is not, as if often the way, something that is minor in influence. Its the St.Georges cross flag all over again with anything english being degraded because of the far right and their supporters. One of the problems with the poppy is its a symbol, but to wear that symbol you are purchasing it from the briitsh legion who have large amounts of money sitting idle in a bank and people may prefer to donate to other forces charities who might not give you a poppy back for your efforts. Imposters earlier take on the subject is also correct as you would think it would be opposite as the years pass by and more of us had dying relatives getting further back in history if you just take the large conflicts into the subject. Thre will be some of us who might have had reletives who died in the napoleonic wars but might not know about it. In years to come that will be the situation with people whose great great great relative died in WW2 .
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Post by Nik on Jun 26, 2024 7:53:56 GMT
A lot of this discussion is in fact not about the poppy but about other issues which have been attached to it; someone mentioned James McLean - his issue was not really the poppy about which he couldn’t care less but more about making a statement about Irish Republican Nationalism (a valid political viewpoint but nothing really to do with poppies and the dead of WW1); the same is true of many of the other points raised. The poppy stands for more than just the dead of World War 1 now though (the Royal British Legion themselves acknowledge this); McClean himself has said that if it were solely to commemorate that, he'd wear it.
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Post by stevie57 on Jun 26, 2024 8:20:59 GMT
A lot of this discussion is in fact not about the poppy but about other issues which have been attached to it; someone mentioned James McLean - his issue was not really the poppy about which he couldn’t care less but more about making a statement about Irish Republican Nationalism (a valid political viewpoint but nothing really to do with poppies and the dead of WW1); the same is true of many of the other points raised. The poppy stands for more than just the dead of World War 1 now though (the Royal British Legion themselves acknowledge this); McClean himself has said that if it were solely to commemorate that, he'd wear it. It’s quite clear that I am well aware of that as in my previous post on this subject; the origin of the poppy was of course to remember the dead of WW1, but other subsequent conflicts have rightly been added since, they could hardly not have been. James McLean’s views are not widely representative, and he’s free to acknowledge the poppy or not as he see fit, but not to determine the grounds on which the charity continues today.
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Post by Nik on Jun 26, 2024 8:24:05 GMT
The poppy stands for more than just the dead of World War 1 now though (the Royal British Legion themselves acknowledge this); McClean himself has said that if it were solely to commemorate that, he'd wear it. It’s quite clear that I am well aware of that as in my previous post on this subject; the origin of the poppy was of course to remember the dead of WW1, but other subsequent conflicts have rightly been added since, they could hardly not have been. James McLean’s views are not widely representative, and he’s free to acknowledge the poppy or not as he see fit, but not to determine the grounds on which the charity continues today. In what way is he trying to determine that?
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Post by Mozzer on Jun 26, 2024 8:35:28 GMT
The poppy stands for more than just the dead of World War 1 now though (the Royal British Legion themselves acknowledge this); McClean himself has said that if it were solely to commemorate that, he'd wear it. It’s quite clear that I am well aware of that as in my previous post on this subject; the origin of the poppy was of course to remember the dead of WW1, but other subsequent conflicts have rightly been added since, they could hardly not have been. James McLean’s views are not widely representative, and he’s free to acknowledge the poppy or not as he see fit, but not to determine the grounds on which the charity continues today. He doesn't, does he? He was mentioned in this thread because of the grief he gets for not wearing it. At least some of the people who are commemorated by the poppy died so he could choose not to wear it. Whether any of us agree with him or his detractors is irrelevant. It's politicised now, which is the point being made.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Jun 26, 2024 8:53:56 GMT
You've misunderstood there, I think. I don't wear a Poppy and I'm ex RAF. I do go to the war memorial in Bredbury occasionally to pay my respects to my Great Uncle who was killed in WW1. Similar over here. I don't wear a poppy for a few reasons. However, I've been to pay my respects at various cemeteries in Northern France, with the dead from both wars - Bayeux, Ranville, Colleville-sur-Mer, Tyne Cot, Thiepval and many others. I think it's far more dignified and respectful than any of this, frankly:
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Post by vicar on Jun 26, 2024 9:25:50 GMT
I don't wear a Poppy and I'm ex RAF. I do go to the war memorial in Bredbury occasionally to pay my respects to my Great Uncle who was killed in WW1. Similar over here. I don't wear a poppy for a few reasons. However, I've been to pay my respects at various cemeteries in Northern France, with the dead from both wars - Bayeux, Ranville, Colleville-sur-Mer, Tyne Cot, Thiepval and many others. I think it's far more dignified and respectful than any of this, frankly: I wear a poppy on the day and maybe a day either side, I really don't like how we go OTT with it these days, as for McLean he's making a statement and he's perfectly entitled to do that but he knows that comes with the risk of abuse, we've seen players and managers of all nationalities wear it and they fully understand the sentiment behind it, James McLean sees something different.
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Post by Nik on Jun 26, 2024 9:39:12 GMT
Similar over here. I don't wear a poppy for a few reasons. However, I've been to pay my respects at various cemeteries in Northern France, with the dead from both wars - Bayeux, Ranville, Colleville-sur-Mer, Tyne Cot, Thiepval and many others. I think it's far more dignified and respectful than any of this, frankly: I wear a poppy on the day and maybe a day either side, I really don't like how we go OTT with it these days, as for McLean he's making a statement and he's perfectly entitled to do that but he knows that comes with the risk of abuse, we've seen players and managers of all nationalities wear it and they fully understand the sentiment behind it, James McLean sees something different. Others do too; Nemanja Matic also refused due to the bombing of Yugoslavia when he was a kid.
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