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Post by Mozzer on Jun 26, 2024 9:56:27 GMT
Similar over here. I don't wear a poppy for a few reasons. However, I've been to pay my respects at various cemeteries in Northern France, with the dead from both wars - Bayeux, Ranville, Colleville-sur-Mer, Tyne Cot, Thiepval and many others. I think it's far more dignified and respectful than any of this, frankly: I wear a poppy on the day and maybe a day either side, I really don't like how we go OTT with it these days, as for McLean he's making a statement and he's perfectly entitled to do that but he knows that comes with the risk of abuse, we've seen players and managers of all nationalities wear it and they fully understand the sentiment behind it, James McLean sees something different. I broadly agree with what you're saying here, but the flip side is that you don't know how many don't make a stand because they know what grief comes from doing so. He seems to relish being a target, which is fine if you've got the personality to deal with it (personally found some of grief he was given at EP a bit embarrassing but each to their own), but I suspect on this and many other topics, some players understandably take the line of least resistance. Our poppy fetishism is proper weird. Not the sentiment behind the poppy in itself, but what it's become. I'm also reasonably convinced that some of the most vocal fetishists don't even understand what it is they get so worked up about.
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 26, 2024 10:15:57 GMT
It’s quite clear that I am well aware of that as in my previous post on this subject; the origin of the poppy was of course to remember the dead of WW1, but other subsequent conflicts have rightly been added since, they could hardly not have been. James McLean’s views are not widely representative, and he’s free to acknowledge the poppy or not as he see fit, but not to determine the grounds on which the charity continues today. He doesn't, does he? He was mentioned in this thread because of the grief he gets for not wearing it. At least some of the people who are commemorated by the poppy died so he could choose not to wear it. Whether any of us agree with him or his detractors is irrelevant. It's politicised now, which is the point being made. Can remember the days about 50 years back when poppy wearing or not was never an issue like it is now. It seemed something that was starting to die and people never had to explain themselves for not wearing one. Do not know why it was revived to the situation of football shirts being produced with it on and a minutes silence with a bugler we get at a football match these days. Its not exactly an inclusive thing either or a situation where every fan is the same regarding deaths in wars. There will be some like me who can count them as zero to others who,ll be able to name a few.
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 26, 2024 10:26:20 GMT
To change things slightly Southend have paid the million pound bond to the league to allow em to start the NL season.
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Post by nelly on Jun 26, 2024 11:44:06 GMT
I wear a poppy on the day and maybe a day either side, I really don't like how we go OTT with it these days, as for McLean he's making a statement and he's perfectly entitled to do that but he knows that comes with the risk of abuse, we've seen players and managers of all nationalities wear it and they fully understand the sentiment behind it, James McLean sees something different. I broadly agree with what you're saying here, but the flip side is that you don't know how many don't make a stand because they know what grief comes from doing so. He seems to relish being a target, which is fine if you've got the personality to deal with it (personally found some of grief he was given at EP a bit embarrassing but each to their own), but I suspect on this and many other topics, some players understandably take the line of least resistance. Our poppy fetishism is proper weird. Not the sentiment behind the poppy in itself, but what it's become. I'm also reasonably convinced that some of the most vocal fetishists don't even understand what it is they get so worked up about. drive.google.com/file/d/1wy6McRZjJgVVULjrq6m1bI3af4IwfRdt/view?usp=drivesdk
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Post by nelly on Jun 26, 2024 11:46:34 GMT
I broadly agree with what you're saying here, but the flip side is that you don't know how many don't make a stand because they know what grief comes from doing so. He seems to relish being a target, which is fine if you've got the personality to deal with it (personally found some of grief he was given at EP a bit embarrassing but each to their own), but I suspect on this and many other topics, some players understandably take the line of least resistance. Our poppy fetishism is proper weird. Not the sentiment behind the poppy in itself, but what it's become. I'm also reasonably convinced that some of the most vocal fetishists don't even understand what it is they get so worked up about. drive.google.com/file/d/1wy6McRZjJgVVULjrq6m1bI3af4IwfRdt/view?usp=drivesdkI'm planning to visit his grave one day.
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Post by fenedgeexile on Jun 26, 2024 11:56:13 GMT
To change things slightly Southend have paid the million pound bond to the league to allow em to start the NL season. And the winding up petition has been dismissed. A good day for Southend fans.
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Post by HTC on Jun 26, 2024 13:24:56 GMT
I don't wear a Poppy and I'm ex RAF. I do go to the war memorial in Bredbury occasionally to pay my respects to my Great Uncle who was killed in WW1. Similar over here. I don't wear a poppy for a few reasons. However, I've been to pay my respects at various cemeteries in Northern France, with the dead from both wars - Bayeux, Ranville, Colleville-sur-Mer, Tyne Cot, Thiepval and many others. I think it's far more dignified and respectful than any of this, frankly: Please tell me that third picture is a spoof.
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Post by Mozzer on Jun 26, 2024 13:29:04 GMT
Similar over here. I don't wear a poppy for a few reasons. However, I've been to pay my respects at various cemeteries in Northern France, with the dead from both wars - Bayeux, Ranville, Colleville-sur-Mer, Tyne Cot, Thiepval and many others. I think it's far more dignified and respectful than any of this, frankly: Please tell me that third picture is a spoof. You think the Cookie Monster one is any less weird? RESPECT THE DEAD, PUPPET! Anyway, not a spoof. Being doing the rounds for a while. Worth Googling 'Mascots minutes silence' if you enjoy this sort of thing.
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Post by HTC on Jun 26, 2024 13:34:14 GMT
It’s the combination of the beer gut and the shoes on the poppy that does it I think. The other two seem ‘normal’ poppy madness, whereas the third looks like forces sanctioned poppy madness.
(Always slightly disappointed we never had a Harry Hatter / minutes silence moment, think the ones I’ve seen with the Arsenal mascot are probably the funniest)
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Post by Henry Pratt on Jun 26, 2024 14:29:47 GMT
It’s the combination of the beer gut and the shoes on the poppy that does it I think. The other two seem ‘normal’ poppy madness, whereas the third looks like forces sanctioned poppy madness. (Always slightly disappointed we never had a Harry Hatter / minutes silence moment, think the ones I’ve seen with the Arsenal mascot are probably the funniest) Think it might have been at Tranmere? I mean, it's hilarious in itself. But it does illustrate the serious point that at no stage (presumably) did anyone say "hang on, this is f*cking ridiculous, what on earth are we doing?". And the Twitter account is absolutely full of such examples. I have to say I'm struggling to see how they show "respect"
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Post by Mozzer on Jun 26, 2024 14:50:01 GMT
It’s the combination of the beer gut and the shoes on the poppy that does it I think. The other two seem ‘normal’ poppy madness, whereas the third looks like forces sanctioned poppy madness. (Always slightly disappointed we never had a Harry Hatter / minutes silence moment, think the ones I’ve seen with the Arsenal mascot are probably the funniest) Think it might have been at Tranmere? I mean, it's hilarious in itself. But it does illustrate the serious point that at no stage (presumably) did anyone say "hang on, this is f*cking ridiculous, what on earth are we doing?". And the Twitter account is absolutely full of such examples. I have to say I'm struggling to see how they show "respect" WHY DO YOU HATE YOUR COUNTRY?
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Post by hedleyverity on Jun 26, 2024 16:35:55 GMT
There's extreme poppy competitiveness between towns and villages where I am, each one's got to have more, or bigger, or poppies with images of Tommies on their lampposts, we've now got metal silhouette Tommies on the roads in and out of the village because the next lot along got them. It's ridiculous, totally away from what Remembrance should be about and a total waste of money that could be used much better by relevant charities.
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Post by stevie57 on Jun 26, 2024 17:30:27 GMT
It’s quite clear that I am well aware of that as in my previous post on this subject; the origin of the poppy was of course to remember the dead of WW1, but other subsequent conflicts have rightly been added since, they could hardly not have been. James McLean’s views are not widely representative, and he’s free to acknowledge the poppy or not as he see fit, but not to determine the grounds on which the charity continues today. In what way is he trying to determine that? Re-read the last part of your previous contribution and it’s pretty obvious.
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Post by Nik on Jun 26, 2024 18:58:05 GMT
In what way is he trying to determine that? Re-read the last part of your previous contribution and it’s pretty obvious. You're misrepresenting his words though; he's saying " this is why I personally choose not to wear it" which isn't " If you want me to wear it, change what it represents". He's not asking anything from anyone or any organisation, other than to respect his personal decision to not wear one.
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 27, 2024 8:00:36 GMT
There's extreme poppy competitiveness between towns and villages where I am, each one's got to have more, or bigger, or poppies with images of Tommies on their lampposts, we've now got metal silhouette Tommies on the roads in and out of the village because the next lot along got them. It's ridiculous, totally away from what Remembrance should be about and a total waste of money that could be used much better by relevant charities. Thats the way of the world now to make as big a show as possible just to prove you care and outdo others in doing so.
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