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Post by stockytwo on May 30, 2023 9:49:00 GMT
I've been rooting for Camps all season and he's had a couple of good games but I think it's clear that it absolutely hasn't worked for him.
It's a difficult one to know what to do with him, to persist or to try and move him on. The latter will almost certainly come at some kind of cost though.
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Post by albybeliever on May 30, 2023 10:10:49 GMT
I've been rooting for Camps all season and he's had a couple of good games but I think it's clear that it absolutely hasn't worked for him. It's a difficult one to know what to do with him, to persist or to try and move him on. The latter will almost certainly come at some kind of cost though. Same. But I've come to the conclusion over the last month that we need to move him on, which gives me no pleasure to say, as he's a Stockport lad. He's got lovely technique, but he doesn't have enough end product in goals and assists, not does he dictate the tempo of the game. And, even more importantly, he's really poor off the ball - always slow to react and poor at pressing and lacks the physicality to recover and make up for those weaknesses. That means our midfield loses its bite and intensity, which is such a key part of our identity. He's a good footballer and will probably will do well elsewhere, but we look a poorer team when he plays.
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Post by alkringtonhatter on May 30, 2023 10:40:03 GMT
He also calls his own number far too often with long range shots. Can think of Orient away and was there one early on, away from home? But too many moves end with him ballooning on into the stands from 25 yards.
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Post by palmersears on May 30, 2023 11:00:43 GMT
Camps is one of those case of "this is nobody's fault, it's just not worked out." I understand why we signed him, he's not lacked for effort, but every time you watched him and thought "this is it, he'll kick on now" he then went missing in the next game, dropped back to the bench for three games or so and then started the whole cycle all over again. We need better than that.
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Post by slomasscfc on May 30, 2023 11:06:16 GMT
I was impressed with Camps towards the end of the season. After a stop start campaign, it seemed like he was getting some momentum. Intrigued which ones all 3 playoff games the game passed him by for me Especially Salford 2nd leg we rode our luck with no midfield shape til he came off for Croasdale then we dominated from there on He did ok against Orient and scored a lovely goal but we just got well in front early that game when our opponents realistically had little incentive to work way back into game on their trophy lifting day on red hot afternoon Carlisle goal is symptomatic of his time with us he looks over his right shoulder sees the runner going from out to in past full back and stands in no man's land and just watches him go Admittedly I'm at point I'd seen enough and come over harsher than others but it's only in many ways cos I know he has been a good player elsewhere and higher up but I'd seen about 6 weeks into season about his off the ball work not fitting our requirements and sadly it's just never improved Never taken a game by scruff of neck for us and dictated it in way I expected
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Post by albybeliever on May 30, 2023 12:03:58 GMT
I was impressed with Camps towards the end of the season. After a stop start campaign, it seemed like he was getting some momentum. Intrigued which ones all 3 playoff games the game passed him by for me Especially Salford 2nd leg we rode our luck with no midfield shape til he came off for Croasdale then we dominated from there on He did ok against Orient and scored a lovely goal but we just got well in front early that game when our opponents realistically had little incentive to work way back into game on their trophy lifting day on red hot afternoon Carlisle goal is symptomatic of his time with us he looks over his right shoulder sees the runner going from out to in past full back and stands in no man's land and just watches him go Admittedly I'm at point I'd seen enough and come over harsher than others but it's only in many ways cos I know he has been a good player elsewhere and higher up but I'd seen about 6 weeks into season about his off the ball work not fitting our requirements and sadly it's just never improved Never taken a game by scruff of neck for us and dictated it in way I expected Wholeheartedly agree with every word of that. His role in their goal in the play off final really annoyed me.
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Post by wnm on May 30, 2023 13:16:10 GMT
I was impressed with Camps towards the end of the season. After a stop start campaign, it seemed like he was getting some momentum. He had a really nice game against Hartlepool but with people out injured and the pressure on him to step up he was absolutely anonymous in the two games against Salford.
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Post by albybeliever on May 30, 2023 13:43:56 GMT
I was impressed with Camps towards the end of the season. After a stop start campaign, it seemed like he was getting some momentum. He had a really nice game against Hartlepool but with people out injured and the pressure on him to step up he was absolutely anonymous in the two games against Salford. People have said that a few times about the Hartlepool game, but I'm not fully buying it. He dwelled far too long on the ball, expecting to be able to ride another challenge (something he regularly does) and got his pocket picked, which led directly to their goal. Though he played some lovely passes, a) that was against an already relegated side and b) his pressing was poor as usual. And he missed a penalty (though, in fairness, it was a good save). If that's the best illustration people are offering of his good performances, that'd worry me even more.
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Post by atmosphere on May 30, 2023 14:07:24 GMT
He had a really nice game against Hartlepool but with people out injured and the pressure on him to step up he was absolutely anonymous in the two games against Salford. People have said that a few times about the Hartlepool game, but I'm not fully buying it. He dwelled far too long on the ball, expecting to be able to ride another challenge (something he regularly does) and got his pocket picked, which led directly to their goal. Though he played some lovely passes, a) that was against an already relegated side and b) his pressing was poor as usual. And he missed a penalty (though, in fairness, it was a good save). If that's the best illustration people are offering of his good performances, that'd worry me even more. Good reminder that actually. He gives it away in some ridiculous areas. I remember one at Crawley away at the start of the season. He'll do a heavy touch and steam roller in to some shocking tackles too.
I said keep him but I think I'm just doing it on reputation.
The problem is he'll be on a good wage with us with 2 years left.
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Post by wnm on May 30, 2023 14:27:38 GMT
He had a really nice game against Hartlepool but with people out injured and the pressure on him to step up he was absolutely anonymous in the two games against Salford. People have said that a few times about the Hartlepool game, but I'm not fully buying it. He dwelled far too long on the ball, expecting to be able to ride another challenge (something he regularly does) and got his pocket picked, which led directly to their goal. Though he played some lovely passes, a) that was against an already relegated side and b) his pressing was poor as usual. And he missed a penalty (though, in fairness, it was a good save). If that's the best illustration people are offering of his good performances, that'd worry me even more. We had eight men behind the ball and they scored over 20 seconds after he gave the ball away. He was at fault but it wasn’t some glaring error that gifted them a goal. For 60 minutes he was by far the best player on the pitch for me but he’s never got 90 mins in him. He wasn’t perfect but he actually influenced the game and played like the player I thought we were getting probably for the only time this season.
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Post by albybeliever on May 30, 2023 15:51:53 GMT
People have said that a few times about the Hartlepool game, but I'm not fully buying it. He dwelled far too long on the ball, expecting to be able to ride another challenge (something he regularly does) and got his pocket picked, which led directly to their goal. Though he played some lovely passes, a) that was against an already relegated side and b) his pressing was poor as usual. And he missed a penalty (though, in fairness, it was a good save). If that's the best illustration people are offering of his good performances, that'd worry me even more. We had eight men behind the ball and they scored over 20 seconds after he gave the ball away. He was at fault but it wasn’t some glaring error that gifted them a goal. For 60 minutes he was by far the best player on the pitch for me but he’s never got 90 mins in him. He wasn’t perfect but he actually influenced the game and played like the player I thought we were getting probably for the only time this season. Yeah, I agree with your first para - it was a poor error and led to the goal, but it should have been cut out/dealt with after the error. Agree he was good on the ball in that game and looked more like what I expected too. But I still think that our midfield lacked structure and was less effective in pressing due to his presence, just that it wasn't as obvious against a poor Hartlepool side as against Salford and Carlisle. Anyway, I'm going to leave it there - I don't like criticising any County player and I don't think he's a bad lad or lazy, just that he doesn't fit the way we play and that a move might suit all parties.
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Post by herbiedumplings on May 30, 2023 16:03:55 GMT
Unlike us to sign players who don’t fit our system.
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Post by Philcounty on May 30, 2023 16:12:21 GMT
Seeing a few people saying that Hinchliffe triggered a contract extension by reaching a specified number of appearances this season. Anyone ITK have any idea if there's any truth in this?
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Post by timberwolf on May 31, 2023 8:39:46 GMT
Unlike us to sign players who don’t fit our system. Thats easier said than done. You can have all the stats rquired on any player, watch em play numerous times with no real guarentee they,ll fit our system. Camps for me just floats in and out of games at the best and is he anyway one that has always promised more than he ever delivers.
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Post by herbiedumplings on May 31, 2023 9:18:58 GMT
Unlike us to sign players who don’t fit our system. Thats easier said than done. You can have all the stats rquired on any player, watch em play numerous times with no real guarentee they,ll fit our system. Camps for me just floats in and out of games at the best and is he anyway one that has always promised more than he ever delivers. For sure. It just feels like it’s been happening an awful lot lately. But maybe it’s just me?
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