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Post by oakwoodbank on May 17, 2022 13:21:19 GMT
I disagree about any of the squad earning a right if we get promoted. Sentimentality needs to play no part in the decision process. That applies with Jennings, Sam, Hogan, Sarc, Paddy or whoever. If we can get better then it’s a case of thank them for their service, always welcome back and move on. I don't think it's about sentimentality to think someone has earned the right to prove themselves at a higher level. It wasn't when Jim gave almost the entire NLN championship winning team that opportunity. It's not sentiment if the player is good enough. Too often teams get promoted and tear up a winning formula only to run into problems when stepping up as a new squad doesn't gel right away. If we are going to strengthen the side, as I assume we will, it is not a good plan to do it piecemeal. We have a good set of players who are now getting into the DC plan and it would be a disaster to unpick that for the sake of as yet, unknown 'promise'.
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on May 17, 2022 13:24:01 GMT
If we go up I'd like to see us have a younger squad and maybe bring players in who have resale value, with that being said I'd let players like Hogan go, but legends like Palmer and Hinchliffe obviously stay. Oh No! I thought that the,"we are a selling club" maxim had bit the dust. This season has shown that our maturer players have given good service. We have a good academy set-up, let's bring on our own young players. Everyone bar Real Madrid is a selling club.
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Post by wnm on May 17, 2022 13:26:14 GMT
For the out of contracts I would say... Hinchliffe Age 33 - Hell yep Hippolyte Age 27 - Ditto but 3 years please Hogan Age 32 - Maybe, but also wouldn't be heartbroken and would totally understand if DC looks elsewhere Palmer Age 29 - Yep, definately worth another year Walker Age 26 - No Jennings Age 30 - No (sorry) Maynard Age 32 - No Stott Age 23 - No Alli Age 21 - No Hippo has done well but not a chance in hell would I be offering three years to a player that has never consistently performed above the NL and who bottom of League Two Scunthorpe were happy to let go for nothing. I’d be offering a 1 year deal with an automatic extension if he makes over 30 league starts.
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Post by wnm on May 17, 2022 13:29:22 GMT
I'd keep Palmer. I think he would be fine with a couple of pacier, ball playing centre backs alongside him. He deserves another year at least. That would have been my thinking a few months ago but the amount of big mistakes he’s made, often under no pressure, in recent months is my biggest problem. I think I would keep him but he’d start the season as back up to a new CB as would Keane and Johnson.
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Post by Philcounty on May 17, 2022 13:30:18 GMT
If we go up I'd like to see us have a younger squad and maybe bring players in who have resale value, with that being said I'd let players like Hogan go, but legends like Palmer and Hinchliffe obviously stay. Oh No! I thought that the,"we are a selling club" maxim had bit the dust. This season has shown that our maturer players have given good service. We have a good academy set-up, let's bring on our own young players. Even Mark Stott isn't rich enough to make us not a selling club if we are planning to progress. If we are looking to be a Championship team, we will need far more income than we'll ever generate from ticket sales, merchandise, sponsorship etc to have a competitive transfer and wage budget. We will need the to sell certain players as we move up the leagues to help fund the journey. Mark Stott isn't going to keep increasing the money he inputs year on year. At some point he's going to want us to be self sufficient.
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Post by wnm on May 17, 2022 13:30:32 GMT
Also worth noting that Walker has already gone. He joined Fylde on a permanent deal not a loan.
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Post by oakwoodbank on May 17, 2022 13:34:52 GMT
Oh No! I thought that the,"we are a selling club" maxim had bit the dust. This season has shown that our maturer players have given good service. We have a good academy set-up, let's bring on our own young players. Everyone bar Real Madrid is a selling club. What constitutes a "selling club"? It's a term that could be applied to those who have generated more transfer revenue than any other team, but it more accurately applies to sides who need to sell to survive and will wave goodbye to any player, no matter their skill, for the right price.
bleacherreport.com/articles/2184931-13-biggest-selling-clubs-in-footballI do not think that we are or will be in the foreseeable future, a club who will need to sell to survive.
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Post by wnm on May 17, 2022 13:37:38 GMT
Everyone bar Real Madrid is a selling club. What constitutes a "selling club"? It's a term that could be applied to those who have generated more transfer revenue than any other team, but it more accurately applies to sides who need to sell to survive and will wave goodbye to any player, no matter their skill, for the right price.
bleacherreport.com/articles/2184931-13-biggest-selling-clubs-in-footballI do not think that we are or will be in the foreseeable future, a club who will need to sell to survive. Nobody apart from you said we would be.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 17, 2022 13:41:17 GMT
June 2022 Hinchliffe Age 33 Hogan Age 32 Palmer Age 29 Earl Age 20 Walker Age 26 Jennings Age 30 Maynard Age 32 Stott Age 23 Alli Age 21
June 2023 Pye Age 18 Kitching Age 26 Collar Age 24 Croasdale Age 27 Newby Age 26 Whitfield Age 25 Rooney Age 31 Reid Age 26 Keane Age 28 Minihan Age 27
June 2024 Ross Age 24 Barclay Age 25 Southam Hales Age 25 Sarcevic Age 29 Rydel Age 20 Crankshaw Age 23 Madden Age 31 Quigley Age 29
Johnson Aged 25
June 2023 —Rooney Age 31 ?? John Rooney has completed a sensational return to Barrow after The Bluebirds paid an undisclosed fee to Stockport County to bring the midfield star back to the Club. The 31-year-old has put pen to paper on a two-and-a-half-year deal. Phil's post that you've quoted is from January 6th, when Rooney was still with us
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Post by philtheglass on May 17, 2022 13:53:17 GMT
June 2022 Hinchliffe Age 33 Hogan Age 32 Palmer Age 29 Earl Age 20 Walker Age 26 Jennings Age 30 Maynard Age 32 Stott Age 23 Alli Age 21
June 2023 Pye Age 18 Kitching Age 26 Collar Age 24 Croasdale Age 27 Newby Age 26 Whitfield Age 25 Rooney Age 31 Reid Age 26 Keane Age 28 Minihan Age 27
June 2024 Ross Age 24 Barclay Age 25 Southam Hales Age 25 Sarcevic Age 29 Rydel Age 20 Crankshaw Age 23 Madden Age 31 Quigley Age 29
Johnson Aged 25
June 2023 —Rooney Age 31 ?? John Rooney has completed a sensational return to Barrow after The Bluebirds paid an undisclosed fee to Stockport County to bring the midfield star back to the Club. The 31-year-old has put pen to paper on a two-and-a-half-year deal. What
The age is what they were at the time i posted the message, not the age they will be when their contract expires
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Post by HTC on May 17, 2022 13:56:53 GMT
Just to re-post the accurate details of who is under contract / when as of today, rather than January...
Out of contract end of season
Hinchliffe Age 33 Hippolyte Age 27 Hogan Age 32 Palmer Age 29 Walker Age 26 Jennings Age 30 Maynard Age 32 Stott Age 23 Alli Age 21
June 2023
Pye Age 18 Kitching Age 26 Collar Age 24 Croasdale Age 27 Newby Age 26 Whitfield Age 25 Reid Age 26 Keane Age 28 Minihan Age 27 Ryan Johnson Age 25
June 2024
Ross Age 24 Barclay Age 25 Southam Hales Age 25 Sarcevic Age 29 Rydel Age 20 Crankshaw Age 23 Madden Age 31 Quigley Age 29 Cody Johnson Aged 16
I’m not sure about Scott Holding. Listed as a ‘pro-deal’ but no contact length
the young keeper Schofield is also mentioned on the first team player page, but no mention of a pro deal.
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Post by Lee on May 17, 2022 14:00:32 GMT
Big Ben definitely deserves a contract. He's a fantastic keeper and luckily 99% of us see that.
I'd like to see Palmer get another 1 year deal, as others allude to he may not want to be a squad player but I don't see why he couldn't be a starter with a fellow CB(s) with a bit of pace. I'm not sure how much you would find better in the league above, certainly in terms of defending and aerial ability.
I see a few do expire in 2023 but would expect the club will look to move some of these on, rumours were on Sunday night that most players know already. Whether that is true or not I've not got a clue but I honestly don't think we need wholesale changes.
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Post by wnm on May 17, 2022 14:05:13 GMT
Just to re-post the accurate details of who is under contract / when as of today, rather than January... Out of contract end of season Hinchliffe Age 33 Hippolyte Age 27 Hogan Age 32 Palmer Age 29 Walker Age 26 Jennings Age 30 Maynard Age 32 Stott Age 23 Alli Age 21 June 2023 Pye Age 18 Kitching Age 26 Collar Age 24 Croasdale Age 27 Newby Age 26 Whitfield Age 25 Reid Age 26 Keane Age 28 Minihan Age 27 Ryan Johnson Age 25 June 2024 Ross Age 24 Barclay Age 25 Southam Hales Age 25 Sarcevic Age 29 Rydel Age 20 Crankshaw Age 23 Madden Age 31 Quigley Age 29 Cody Johnson Aged 16 I’m not sure about Scott Holding. Listed as a ‘pro-deal’ but no contact length the young keeper Schofield is also mentioned on the first team player page, but no mention of a pro deal. I thought MSH was out of contract next year for some reason. Wonderful news that he’s got two years remaining. I get the impression that Holding’s agent was touting him about for a move and wasn’t interested in signing a long-term deal here so that’s why his FA Trophy opportunities became limited and seem to stop training with the first-team squad.
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Post by wnm on May 17, 2022 14:10:20 GMT
Big Ben definitely deserves a contract. He's a fantastic keeper and luckily 99% of us see that. I'd like to see Palmer get another 1 year deal, as others allude to he may not want to be a squad player but I don't see why he couldn't be a starter with a fellow CB(s) with a bit of pace. I'm not sure how much you would find better in the league above, certainly in terms of defending and aerial ability. I see a few do expire in 2023 but would expect the club will look to move some of these on, rumours were on Sunday night that most players know already. Whether that is true or not I've not got a clue but I honestly don't think we need wholesale changes. I doubt any conversations would have been had but they just like us can read between the lines. Putting the loanees to one side, there are only three players who I’m unsure of whether they will start next season with us and they are Palmer, Whitfield and Quigley. Everybody else, whether in contract or out of contract I think it’s pretty clear where DC stands.
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Post by Ngard on May 17, 2022 14:15:07 GMT
Just to re-post the accurate details of who is under contract / when as of today, rather than January... Out of contract end of season Hinchliffe Age 33 Hippolyte Age 27 Hogan Age 32 Palmer Age 29 Walker Age 26 Jennings Age 30 Maynard Age 32 Stott Age 23 Alli Age 21 June 2023 Pye Age 18 Kitching Age 26 Collar Age 24 Croasdale Age 27 Newby Age 26 Whitfield Age 25 Reid Age 26 Keane Age 28 Minihan Age 27 Ryan Johnson Age 25 June 2024 Ross Age 24 Barclay Age 25 Southam Hales Age 25 Sarcevic Age 29 Rydel Age 20 Crankshaw Age 23 Madden Age 31 Quigley Age 29 Cody Johnson Aged 16 I’m not sure about Scott Holding. Listed as a ‘pro-deal’ but no contact length the young keeper Schofield is also mentioned on the first team player page, but no mention of a pro deal. I thought MSH was out of contract next year for some reason. Wonderful news that he’s got two years remaining. I get the impression that Holding’s agent was touting him about for a move and wasn’t interested in signing a long-term deal here so that’s why his FA Trophy opportunities became limited and seem to stop training with the first-team squad. MSH signed an extension before this season so that's probably why he has two years left.
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