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Post by Imposter on Oct 11, 2023 9:41:12 GMT
How long have they been in their present ground. Does not seem that long since big kev played against us at the old manor ground. Gary Megson’s last game that I think? So would have been ‘99 Did they not get relegated that season though? So that being the reason we haven't played at the Manor Ground since '99, rather than them necessarily moving in '99/00.
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Post by hedleyverity on Oct 11, 2023 9:47:53 GMT
Gary Megson’s last game that I think? So would have been ‘99 Did they not get relegated that season though? So that being the reason we haven't played at the Manor Ground since '99, rather than them necessarily moving in '99/00. Yes, that definitely wasn’t the end for the ground, just Megson
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Post by slomasscfc on Oct 11, 2023 9:58:47 GMT
Did they not get relegated that season though? So that being the reason we haven't played at the Manor Ground since '99, rather than them necessarily moving in '99/00. Yes, that definitely wasn’t the end for the ground, just Megson Yes remember that game we had Wycombe fans in our end come to see them get relegated they walloped us but went down anyway, remember someone saying something to Simon Travis who don't think played or.had been on bench or taken off by that point walking across front of away end and someone said to him about not playing to which he responded "don't worry manager won't be here much longer" or words to that effect, he was right
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Post by suedehead on Oct 11, 2023 11:23:31 GMT
We spent an awful lot of money getting out of the National League.
Barrow, Sutton, Hartlepool, Grimsby etc did it on a fraction of our spend.
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 11, 2023 11:33:06 GMT
Need to see all the income these clubs have as those losses only tell half of a story.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 11, 2023 11:36:36 GMT
We spent an awful lot of money getting out of the National League. Barrow, Sutton, Hartlepool, Grimsby etc did it on a fraction of our spend. True and Wrexham and Notts will probably skew that even further. Though, you look at the ones that have been successful in L2 since then it's been the big spenders looking to continue climbing the leagues, probably with the 1 exception of Sutton in their first season. And maybe Barrow? So the spending wasn't just to get out of the NL, but set them up for a L2 promotion push. I feel it also became a bit of an "arms race" with us, Wrexham, Notts, Chesterfield and others spending big.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 11, 2023 11:37:51 GMT
Need to see all the income these clubs have as those losses only tell half of a story. I presume losses accounts for income / revenue, so the net profit/loss position. What you're referring to would be expenditure.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 11, 2023 11:42:07 GMT
We spent an awful lot of money getting out of the National League. Barrow, Sutton, Hartlepool, Grimsby etc did it on a fraction of our spend. True and Wrexham and Notts will probably skew that even further. Though, you look at the ones that have been successful in L2 since then it's been the big spenders looking to continue climbing the leagues that have been successful, probably with the 1 exception of Sutton in their first season. So the spending wasn't just to get out of the NL, but set them up for a L2 promotion push. I feel it also became a bit of an "arms race" with us, Wrexham, Notts, Chesterfield and others spending big. 5x Grimsby, nearly 10x Hartlepool is a huge difference though. Take your point about setting up for L2, but we then spent big again in the windows since we came up with Horsfall, Wootton, Olaofe, Stretton, Powell etc. It's not like we've thrown £5m at it in 2021 to see us through for 2/3 years, just those five players will be more than some clubs spent in total getting out of the NL. Throw in the likes of Evans, Lewis, Camps, Touray etc and I bet our wage bill is easily top 3 in this division. I suspect there's only Wrexham anywhere near us (although I think they'll be higher overall).
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 11, 2023 11:44:55 GMT
True and Wrexham and Notts will probably skew that even further. Though, you look at the ones that have been successful in L2 since then it's been the big spenders looking to continue climbing the leagues that have been successful, probably with the 1 exception of Sutton in their first season. So the spending wasn't just to get out of the NL, but set them up for a L2 promotion push. I feel it also became a bit of an "arms race" with us, Wrexham, Notts, Chesterfield and others spending big. 5x Grimsby, nearly 10x Hartlepool is a huge difference though. Take your point about setting up for L2, but we then spent big again in the windows since we came up with Horsfall, Wootton, Olaofe, Stretton, Powell etc. It's not like we've thrown £5m at it in 2021 to see us through for 2/3 years, just those five players will be more than some clubs spent in total getting out of the NL. Throw in the likes of Evans, Lewis, Camps, Touray etc and I bet our wage bill is easily top 3 in this division. I suspect there's only Wrexham anywhere near us (although I think they'll be higher overall). Agree. I've just reflected on it - so that graph is saying in the 21/22 season we lost almost £5m...? Imagine it was fairly significant the season before that too. There must be some other factors in play re ground stuff and the back end of covid? I hope so! If not, that is just a little bit scary...
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Post by suedehead on Oct 11, 2023 11:45:13 GMT
Need to see all the income these clubs have as those losses only tell half of a story. I presume losses accounts for income / revenue, so the net profit/loss position. What you're referring to would be expenditure. Other thing on Wrexham is I bet their income for 22/23 will absolutely dwarf most L1&2 clubs, let alone the National League clubs they were up against. They've got sponsorship deals coming out of their arse with global brands, Ryan Reynolds tweeting about them every week, tens of thousands of shirts sold, bet they sell more streams than pretty much any other Football League club each week because of the USA audience.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 11, 2023 11:46:34 GMT
5x Grimsby, nearly 10x Hartlepool is a huge difference though. Take your point about setting up for L2, but we then spent big again in the windows since we came up with Horsfall, Wootton, Olaofe, Stretton, Powell etc. It's not like we've thrown £5m at it in 2021 to see us through for 2/3 years, just those five players will be more than some clubs spent in total getting out of the NL. Throw in the likes of Evans, Lewis, Camps, Touray etc and I bet our wage bill is easily top 3 in this division. I suspect there's only Wrexham anywhere near us (although I think they'll be higher overall). Agree. I've just reflected on it - so that graph is saying in the 21/22 season we lost almost £5m...? Imagine it was fairly significant the season before that too. There must be some other factors in play re ground stuff and the back end of covid? I hope so! If not, that is just a little bit scary... Calling 57hattersyears to the thread! When do we get the detail on all this? Is there anything else you've read (or can deduce from anything on here) that adds up to such a sum?
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 11, 2023 11:48:46 GMT
I presume losses accounts for income / revenue, so the net profit/loss position. What you're referring to would be expenditure. Other thing on Wrexham is I bet they're income for 22/23 will absolutely dwarf most L1&2 clubs, let alone the National League clubs they were up against. They've got sponsorship deals coming out of their arse with global brands, Ryan Reynolds tweeting about them every week, tens of thousands of shirts sold, bet they sell more streams than pretty much any other Football League club each week because of the USA audience. Go on their board and apparently a projected revenue of £20m has been mentioned by the club somewhere. Not entirely sure where but that figure keeps cropping up and something in the low millions generated by the US pre-season tour. Wrexham can be sustainable at their current levels of spending (though are reliant on brand Ryan Reynolds), which is impressive. We can't until we start bringing through and selling players. That's what Stott has signed up to but it's the harsh reality.
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Post by m14hatter on Oct 11, 2023 11:53:59 GMT
we’re spunking a lot of cash for NL level and LG2. But that figure isn’t just what we’re spending on the playing budget. Think that covers all losses which will cover what we’ve spent on the ground and training ground as well - which none of the other clubs listed will have been doing to our extent at that time.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 11, 2023 12:03:10 GMT
we’re spunking a lot of cash for NL level and LG2. But that figure isn’t just what we’re spending on the playing budget. Think that covers all losses which will cover what we’ve spent on the ground and training ground as well - which none of the other clubs listed will have been doing to our extent at that time. How much have we spent on Carrington? I've been and it's very impressive, but we haven't built it and can't imagine we're ploughing millions in to it considering we don't own it. Would be good to see the breakdown for each season for the last 5 years or so. I thought 20/21 was when most of the ground stuff was done? I remember Stott saying at a fans forum that covid gave them the opportunity to accelerate a lot of the work as there was nobody using the rooms, nobody at games etc.
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Post by m14hatter on Oct 11, 2023 12:22:19 GMT
we’re spunking a lot of cash for NL level and LG2. But that figure isn’t just what we’re spending on the playing budget. Think that covers all losses which will cover what we’ve spent on the ground and training ground as well - which none of the other clubs listed will have been doing to our extent at that time. How much have we spent on Carrington? I've been and it's very impressive, but we haven't built it and can't imagine we're ploughing millions in to it considering we don't own it. Would be good to see the breakdown for each season for the last 5 years or so. I thought 20/21 was when most of the ground stuff was done? I remember Stott saying at a fans forum that covid gave them the opportunity to accelerate a lot of the work as there was nobody using the rooms, nobody at games etc. I think the bulk was 20/21. But I think some of the hospitality stuff was still being done in 21/22. Training ground will be the rent and rebranding. Then at the end of 21/22 you’ve got the launch of the academy as well.
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