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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Dec 9, 2023 10:34:05 GMT
One thing about the barton rant is that it will be ignored because of it being him. A person with less baggage to carry around would get more support from the general footballing public. How many really on here would knock Jim Gannon if he had come out with the same. Less i,m sure than the ones knocking barton who could not have done a better job for female pundits. Barton is like farage. Whatever they say many will do the opposite to get it right. The difference is Jim wouldn't say something along those lines on account of him not being an iredeemable thunderc**t.
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Post by Philcounty on Dec 9, 2023 10:44:14 GMT
Mansfield off, waterlogged. FGR pitch inspection at 11:30. If our game goes ahead, it could be an opportunity to widen some gaps.
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Post by timberwolf on Dec 9, 2023 10:49:28 GMT
Think its not what he said but how he said it is the big problem plus the problem with the man himself. In principle i am slightly on his side in this issue as it seems a case of having to have female pundits for no other reason but their sexuality. Some do a very good job being better than some of the men but some certainly do not and i feel being female is their main attribute. We can still criticise and if JK had a bad one as co commentator i,d hope we would not be too frightened to give our opinions on her.
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Post by Philcounty on Dec 9, 2023 10:53:44 GMT
Think its not what he said but how he said it is the big problem plus the problem with the man himself. In principle i am slightly on his side in this issue as it seems a case of having to have female pundits for no other reason but their sexuality. Some do a very good job being better than some of the men but some certainly do not and i feel being female is their main attribute. We can still criticise and if JK had a bad one as co commentator i,d hope we would not be too frightened to give our opinions on her. I guarantee you could pick any random woman off castle street and ask them to do co-commentary and they'd do a better job than John Whelan. There are good commentators and crap commentators. Gender doesn't come into it.
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Post by Philcounty on Dec 9, 2023 10:54:11 GMT
Sutton v Harrogate OFF
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Dec 9, 2023 11:12:53 GMT
Think its not what he said but how he said it is the big problem plus the problem with the man himself. In principle i am slightly on his side in this issue as it seems a case of having to have female pundits for no other reason but their sexuality. Some do a very good job being better than some of the men but some certainly do not and i feel being female is their main attribute. We can still criticise and if JK had a bad one as co commentator i,d hope we would not be too frightened to give our opinions on her. I guarantee you could pick any random woman off castle street and ask them to do co-commentary and they'd do a better job than John Whelan. There are good commentators and crap commentators. Gender doesn't come into it. Yep. Seems mental to make it about women when Martin Keown exists.
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Post by bigmartin on Dec 9, 2023 11:16:32 GMT
The nobhead's not taking being out of work very well. sad individual. Am not a massive fan of women commentators (it's the higher pitch if their voice when excited) but there is a volume button on the TV handset. A friend of mine is long standing season ticket holder at Chelsea. He is seriously considering ditching it in favour of one for the womens team, which he also watches regularly. Says its more entertaining and watching less intimidating than the mens game. Bet you a pound he doesn't though !
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Post by bigmartin on Dec 9, 2023 11:17:30 GMT
The nobhead's not taking being out of work very well. I agree with him on this. Yet still think he's a w*nker. Erk. Fortunately I think it's the only thing I've ever agreed with him on so I'm not quite lost. And I only agree with some of what he's saying. The issue I have with women's football on the whole is that I hear more "news" about inequality, equality, etc. etc. than the actual football. Advocates for it seem to come across as absolutely obsessed and borderline neurotic about it being behind the curve compared to men's football. They ought to stop worrying about that, accept that it's reality, and concentrate on just doing everything they can do to grow the game. Whenever I seem to see anything about women's football in the press it seems to be talking about subject NOT related to women actually playing football. I've watched some of it and enjoyed it. It's a somewhat different watch than men's football. And I understand going to watch it is a wildly different experience also.
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Post by alkringtonhatter on Dec 9, 2023 11:21:16 GMT
One thing about the barton rant is that it will be ignored because of it being him. A person with less baggage to carry around would get more support from the general footballing public. How many really on here would knock Jim Gannon if he had come out with the same. Less i,m sure than the ones knocking barton who could not have done a better job for female pundits. Barton is like farage. Whatever they say many will do the opposite to get it right. Me. I’d be absolutely gutted if Jim said anything as moronic, and it would tarnish everything else he’s done. But he wouldn’t, would he? Because you’d have to be an absolute bellend to say what Barton has said. It’s not about an opinion, it’s about his fundamental lack of decency as a human being. There are very few people who agree with Barton because his views are, thankfully, becoming fringe.
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Post by timberwolf on Dec 9, 2023 11:24:16 GMT
sad individual. Am not a massive fan of women commentators (it's the higher pitch if their voice when excited) but there is a volume button on the TV handset. A friend of mine is long standing season ticket holder at Chelsea. He is seriously considering ditching it in favour of one for the womens team, which he also watches regularly. Says its more entertaining and watching less intimidating than the mens game. Bet you a pound he doesn't though ! Most probebly you,ll be right. Its like mens football at the bottom of the pyramid. The game might be as good but he,ll miss the atmosphere thats even exists in the premier league. It wasn,t just the game on show that made me a County fan but the rest of EP and the fans that did.
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Post by vicar on Dec 9, 2023 11:24:28 GMT
The nobhead's not taking being out of work very well. I agree with him. Yet still think he's a w*nker. Erk. I get a bit annoyed listening to pundits telling me what I've just seen whether it's a woman or a man, it's not as if we've just watched the enigma code breakers.
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Post by bigmartin on Dec 9, 2023 11:30:02 GMT
I agree with him. Yet still think he's a w*nker. Erk. I get a bit annoyed listening to pundits telling me what I've just seen whether it's a woman or a man, it's not as if we've just watched the enigma code breakers. In terms of commentating quality, I've heard some really good commentators and some really appalling ones. I don't see it as any different than men some of whom make me want to turn off. Commentary's just weird anyhow. It's a weird "thing". A bloke/woman telling me what's just happened. Yeah mate, I can see. I didn't find it remotely unpalatable when the games were broadcast with just the crowd noise. Which is what I would get if I was at the game at the end of the game.
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Post by timberwolf on Dec 9, 2023 11:36:17 GMT
One thing about the barton rant is that it will be ignored because of it being him. A person with less baggage to carry around would get more support from the general footballing public. How many really on here would knock Jim Gannon if he had come out with the same. Less i,m sure than the ones knocking barton who could not have done a better job for female pundits. Barton is like farage. Whatever they say many will do the opposite to get it right. Me. I’d be absolutely gutted if Jim said anything as moronic, and it would tarnish everything else he’s done. But he wouldn’t, would he? Because you’d have to be an absolute bellend to say what Barton has said. It’s not about an opinion, it’s about his fundamental lack of decency as a human being. There are very few people who agree with Barton because his views are, thankfully, becoming fringe. What would people be saying though if some female ex manager and player at the top of the womens game had come out with a similar rant on the male dominated FA and the leagues plus male pundits in the game in exectly the same way and words used. She would become a hero to many or at least not getting the flak barton has had.
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Post by timberwolf on Dec 9, 2023 11:41:10 GMT
I get a bit annoyed listening to pundits telling me what I've just seen whether it's a woman or a man, it's not as if we've just watched the enigma code breakers. In terms of commentating quality, I've heard some really good commentators and some really appalling ones. I don't see it as any different than men some of whom make me want to turn off. Commentary's just weird anyhow. It's a weird "thing". A bloke/woman telling me what's just happened. Yeah mate, I can see. I didn't find it remotely unpalatable when the games were broadcast with just the crowd noise. Which is what I would get if I was at the game at the end of the game. I,m with both of you there. Its a case of little can be the best and i think they are preaching to the converted and with even JK could realise this a little bit more like powell is as much ex wigan and stoke as he is man.u.
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Post by Philcounty on Dec 9, 2023 11:43:06 GMT
I agree with him. Yet still think he's a w*nker. Erk. I get a bit annoyed listening to pundits telling me what I've just seen whether it's a woman or a man, it's not as if we've just watched the enigma code breakers. Whenever the option exists to turn off the commentary and just have stadium noise I'd take it. There are some commentators that are more tolerable than others but gender doesn't come into that.
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