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Post by desmond on Jun 3, 2024 19:33:52 GMT
So based on your suggestion that any young Stopfordian should relocate there is it your objective assessment that its overall a better location than Stockport. Not lived in Luton myself but visited it many times (Not just Kenilworth Road) and I’d certainly not rate it better. Luton to central London and the economic powerhouse of the capital is just over 30 miles away with fantastic easily commutable rail links; do I really need to spell out the advantages in terms of just job opportunities to take just one example, of living in a town so close like Luton with house prices that whilst being relatively high by northern standards, are very competitive by southern standards. Stockport is doing ok, as is Manchester, but the opportunities are not comparable. There’s hardly a dearth of good jobs in and around Stockport and tbf if you’re first positive about Luton is that it’s only 30 miles from London then it’s hardly a compelling argument. But you seem very happy with the place so fair dos.
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Post by Ngard on Jun 3, 2024 19:37:55 GMT
As someone who has been to Luton multiple times for work I’d rather pull my eyes out with a rusty spoon than recommend a young professional move from Stockport to London.
Better off living in a 10 foot by 10 foot bed sit in Dalston than subject yourself to Luton if you want the opportunities of London and also the social benefit of London.
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Post by ldjh79 on Jun 3, 2024 19:39:17 GMT
Remember it well, think our GK coach Colgan made his debut that game too? Equally one of the coldest/miserable away games was a 2-0 loss there a few years later in December. Been there quite a few times over the years, only the Gleeson goal and the 4-1 victory (20 minute flurry of goals at the end) are decent memories. That 4-1 win was very strange. Never mind the last 20 minutes, didn't the last 3 goals go in in about the last 5 minutes? Also for hot games, Gillingham on opening day in 2000, pre-temporary stand, on the old open terrace was another sweltering scorcher. I still seem to remember it being 28c at Gills in 2000 if memory serves, Wycombe must have been in the late 30's insane
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Post by suedehead on Jun 3, 2024 19:41:00 GMT
Each to their own, I know some like a day out in the smoke but I work there often enough to have a healthy dislike for the place, I'd hate to live there. As for Luton, worked there too and of course been for the football, around the ground was a bit of a dump and we had a group follow us back to the car last time I was daft enough to drive. The outskirts are of course much better but I'd choose living where I do every time. As for opportunities depends on your industry but I have clients in Inverness and ones in Cornwall, I like many others these days can work from anywhere and 90 percent of my business is conducted online or via Teams etc. I've worked in and around London for 15 years. It's only subjective but I am well ready for a change, as are a lot of people I speak to. London is somewhere I’d recommend any 20-something to go and try for a few years. Enjoy what it has to offer, have a bit of freedom, take it all in etc because it is incredible. There’s just so much there. I did it and loved it. But you couldn’t pay me enough to live there now. You could travel my salary and I still wouldn’t be interested. I go down for the odd day at work and have a few days a year on the piss and that is perfect.
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Post by suedehead on Jun 3, 2024 19:41:51 GMT
That 4-1 win was very strange. Never mind the last 20 minutes, didn't the last 3 goals go in in about the last 5 minutes? Also for hot games, Gillingham on opening day in 2000, pre-temporary stand, on the old open terrace was another sweltering scorcher. I still seem to remember it being 28c at Gills in 2000 if memory serves, Wycombe must have been in the late 30's insane The hottest ever UK temperature (at the time) was recorded the day after Wycombe, about 40-50 miles away. Sure it was 38+ on the Sunday, Wycombe was easily 33/34.
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Post by pugwash on Jun 3, 2024 20:18:46 GMT
Luton to central London and the economic powerhouse of the capital is just over 30 miles away with fantastic easily commutable rail links; do I really need to spell out the advantages in terms of just job opportunities to take just one example, of living in a town so close like Luton with house prices that whilst being relatively high by northern standards, are very competitive by southern standards. Stockport is doing ok, as is Manchester, but the opportunities are not comparable. Just checked average house price in Luton and it's £282,000 which is as you say very competitive, it's actually £23,000 less than Stockport's average. Compared to the £550k my niece & her other half have paid fpor a 2 bed house on the border of London & Essex, both seem cheap.
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Post by pugwash on Jun 3, 2024 20:20:45 GMT
As someone who has been to Luton multiple times for work I’d rather pull my eyes out with a rusty spoon than recommend a young professional move from Stockport to London. Better off living in a 10 foot by 10 foot bed sit in Dalston than subject yourself to Luton if you want the opportunities of London and also the social benefit of London. Not for £1600 per month rent.
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Post by vicar on Jun 3, 2024 20:23:47 GMT
Just checked average house price in Luton and it's £282,000 which is as you say very competitive, it's actually £23,000 less than Stockport's average. Compared to the £550k my niece & her other half have paid fpor a 2 bed house on the border of London & Essex, both seem cheap. That's what we'd expect down there, it looks like Luton's poor PR has had an effect but it's a positive for buyers.
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Post by Doofenschmirtz on Jun 3, 2024 20:25:59 GMT
My view on Luton is somewhat based around getting food poisoning from an undercooked chicken burger on the way to the ground. Spent most of the second half hoping County didn't score as celebrations could have lead to an unfortunate incident.
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Post by pugwash on Jun 3, 2024 21:16:25 GMT
Compared to the £550k my niece & her other half have paid fpor a 2 bed house on the border of London & Essex, both seem cheap. That's what we'd expect down there, it looks like Luton's poor PR has had an effect but it's a positive for buyers. Some great areas not far from Luton, Woburn Abbey St Albans Bletchley. Still not got the buzz of London for me but not a terrible place. Far worse down this way & further North. I do think a lot of this I wouldn't live here or there is just Football Snobbery of the highest order. We're brought up where our parents for the majority settle & as a rule don't move far from our comfort zones
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Post by porthatter on Jun 3, 2024 23:52:30 GMT
Yep, remember Cambridge. I got the train from London, went on what seemed like an hour’s trek to the ground, we got humped 4-1 then I did it all in reverse. It’s possible I may have got lost. Didn't we draw there 2-2 on a Thursday night? I also go the train from London having stayed there the night before, we also stayed a night in Cambridge, I'm glad we didn't make it two. Yep also trained there from London and sat in horrible long-distance stand (like Withdean). Creditable draw given Piergianni red card.
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Post by scfc73 on Jun 4, 2024 5:33:23 GMT
I've worked in and around London for 15 years. It's only subjective but I am well ready for a change, as are a lot of people I speak to. London is somewhere I’d recommend any 20-something to go and try for a few years. Enjoy what it has to offer, have a bit of freedom, take it all in etc because it is incredible. There’s just so much there. I did it and loved it. But you couldn’t pay me enough to live there now. You could travel my salary and I still wouldn’t be interested. I go down for the odd day at work and have a few days a year on the piss and that is perfect. Had a few mates do exactly that & I used to go down pretty regularly to visit them back in the days when you could get a £20 return ticket on virgin trains. Had some great times & met some great people down there but they all ended up moving to more sedate areas either back up north or emigrating abroad after a few years due to feeling burnt out. Fun while it lasted though!
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Post by stevie57 on Jun 4, 2024 6:08:44 GMT
Quite a response to my initial reply which was in fact to challenge a reiterated statement that Luton was the worst place to live in Britain - which it is not; just for the record, having lived there I know its faults better than most, but it it does have some very particular advantages as have been outlined by myself and others in the discussion.
I’m not saying Luton is anywhere near being the best, just nowhere near being the worst, and at risk of further controversy, part of the negativity in popular polls about the town has an underlying but implicit race issue that the White British population of the town is now only fractionally over 30% (2021), along with the impact of a very significant influx of Eastern/Central Europeans (Romanians in particular) over the past years.
Just a point relating to house prices; Luton and Stockport share a common factor in that average prices are somewhat misleading.
In Luton, the ‘characterful’ around Kenilworth Road (Bury Park), along with the big, more modern estates of Marsh Farm (the name rings a bell because of the riots there in 1995), Lewsey Farm, and one or two others are not nice, and together they drag down significantly the ‘average’ price of a property in the town; I would categorically suggest anyone moving there avoid these areas no matter what the house price.
Similarly, across Stockport, the ‘average price’ is an almost meaningless concept if you’re trying to buy one in most parts of the district centres of Bramhall, Cheadle, Romiley or Marple, Heald Green or Woodford, Hazel Grove, Heaton Moor, and elsewhere.
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Post by stevie57 on Jun 4, 2024 6:56:50 GMT
Luton to central London and the economic powerhouse of the capital is just over 30 miles away with fantastic easily commutable rail links; do I really need to spell out the advantages in terms of just job opportunities to take just one example, of living in a town so close like Luton with house prices that whilst being relatively high by northern standards, are very competitive by southern standards. Stockport is doing ok, as is Manchester, but the opportunities are not comparable. Just checked average house price in Luton and it's £282,000 which is as you say very competitive, it's actually £23,000 less than Stockport's average. The figures vary slightly depending on where you look, Rightmove and Zoopla for example are slightly different. Not sure where you got your numbers from but was surprised at them. Rightmove says (2023): Luton £310,014 Stockport £288,231 That said, I’ve commented (above) separately about ‘average prices’ of houses being somewhat misleading.
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Post by vicar on Jun 4, 2024 7:06:45 GMT
Just checked average house price in Luton and it's £282,000 which is as you say very competitive, it's actually £23,000 less than Stockport's average. The figures vary slightly depending on where you look, Rightmove and Zoopla for example are slightly different. Not sure where you got your numbers from but was surprised at them. Rightmove says (2023): Luton £310,014 Stockport £288,231 That said, I’ve commented (above) separately about ‘average prices’ of houses being somewhat misleading. I got them from the ONS, just type average price for any town they include all sales, it doesn't matter really as your point stands, Luton is affordable.
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