Mozzer
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 17, 2024 7:46:15 GMT
11 games for Mathias. After Wardy's 12 games as 'caretaker for the foreseeable future' as our owners at the time described it...
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 17, 2024 7:46:54 GMT
I do wonder if we overthink it at times though. We could have tried to go to toe to toe with Crawley in a possession game - though injuries made it more difficult. I agree we've got a more flexible squad and a manager prepared to mix it up. Wrexham didn't have a plan b today. We probably do, it's easily done when not losing a game becomes more important than winning... we are 2 points off top, with a better goal difference, having played a game less. Where would you rather be? The plan B for parkinson seems to be do plan a better, but if teams have stopped your plan a it's not that simple, and I belive the higher up you go the harder it is for their plan a to work Just imagine though that we could be even better and stronger when the injured players are back and they come off . They,ll be like new signings with a bit of luck.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 17, 2024 8:50:15 GMT
Managers that changed things for the better, post-Danny? Let's have a look. If your measure is league position, then there's a few but in general 'vibes' terms, it's a lot trickier. Jones, defo a success. Megson, by league position a success but did he change things for the better? Gave us one incredible season, one less so (but still good). Tough ask to follow DJ though. Kilner, league position dropped, but gave us Maine Road Palmer, nah mate. McIlroy, probably an improvement on Palmer in terms of vibes but no real impact on the pitch Turner, double nah mate. Jim 1.0, just the greatest time to be a County fan. Ablett, no comment. Simpson, impossible to say but I'd say he did better than Ablett did but that was the lowest of bars and we obvs struggled (Still think we'd have stayed up) Matthias, league position didn't really improve but probably more favourably looked upon than Simpson? Hamann, lol. Disastrous. Jim 2.0, overall league position worse than when he took over, but undoubtedly steadied the ship - was operating with both hands tied behind his back. And blindfolded. Bogie, useless. Lord, a tick for him. Young, initial promise but another one who took us backwards. Jim 3.0, immeasurable success by almost any metric. Rusk, the cold stats will say he was a success but one of the most miserable times watching County. Hard to believe his team went on to win a title that year. Challinor, obviously done phenomenally well (but heavily backed). So how many have left things in a better state than they inherited? Jones Megson, up for debate Jim Lord Challinor Matthias was only in charge for about 2 games wasn’t he? As Mozzer says, he had 11 games from which we took 10 points. Over the course of a season that'd give us 41/42 points. Ward has 12 games, where we took 8 points. That would give us 30/31 points over a season. Simpson had 23 games, and were on 23 points when he was sacked. Obvs that would have given us 46 points if we continued at the same rate. As it was, we went down on 41 points. Lincoln also dropped on 47, Barnet stayed up on 48. If we'd not dithered after Simpson went and bought Matthias in earlier, or just stuck with Simpson, I still think we'd have stayed up. That 12 game spell under Ward was a killer.
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Post by HTC on Sept 17, 2024 8:56:59 GMT
Matthias was only in charge for about 2 games wasn’t he? As Mozzer says, he had 11 games from which we took 10 points. Over the course of a season that'd give us 41/42 points. Ward has 12 games, where we took 8 points. That would give us 30/31 points over a season. Simpson had 23 games, and were on 23 points when he was sacked. Obvs that would have given us 46 points if we continued at the same rate. As it was, we went down on 41 points. Lincoln also dropped on 47, Barnet stayed up on 48. If we'd not dithered after Simpson went and bought Matthias in earlier, or just stuck with Simpson, I still think we'd have stayed up. That 12 game spell under Ward was a killer.
yep. Ward gets a bit of a pass on here due to his achivements as a player/assistant, but was just as bad as Ablett / Kalezic etc.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 17, 2024 9:02:44 GMT
Matthias was only in charge for about 2 games wasn’t he? As Mozzer says, he had 11 games from which we took 10 points. Over the course of a season that'd give us 41/42 points. Ward has 12 games, where we took 8 points. That would give us 30/31 points over a season. Simpson had 23 games, and were on 23 points when he was sacked. Obvs that would have given us 46 points if we continued at the same rate. As it was, we went down on 41 points. Lincoln also dropped on 47, Barnet stayed up on 48. If we'd not dithered after Simpson went and bought Matthias in earlier, or just stuck with Simpson, I still think we'd have stayed up. That 12 game spell under Ward was a killer. You missed Kalezic or was it the Paper Boy picking the team?
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Post by suedehead on Sept 17, 2024 9:27:27 GMT
As Mozzer says, he had 11 games from which we took 10 points. Over the course of a season that'd give us 41/42 points. Ward has 12 games, where we took 8 points. That would give us 30/31 points over a season. Simpson had 23 games, and were on 23 points when he was sacked. Obvs that would have given us 46 points if we continued at the same rate. As it was, we went down on 41 points. Lincoln also dropped on 47, Barnet stayed up on 48. If we'd not dithered after Simpson went and bought Matthias in earlier, or just stuck with Simpson, I still think we'd have stayed up. That 12 game spell under Ward was a killer. You missed Kalezic or was it the Paper Boy picking the team? Kalezic was when we dropped out of the NL, this is when dropped out of L2. But yeah, I did miss Kalezic off my longer list yesterday.
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Post by scfc73 on Sept 17, 2024 9:32:09 GMT
Thought Parkinson's decision to swap both strikers like for like was weird. They hadn't even been getting the ball to the forwards. Wrexham are a good solid effective unit when things are going their way & no doubt they'll be successful against a lot of teams this season but Parkinson IMO once again showed he's very weak tactically as a manager, slow to react & appears to have no plan B . It either works or it doesn't. They looked good for the first 15 minutes but then were totally out of the game. Like for like subs around the hour mark when the problem wasn't so much the strikers but actually getting the ball to the strikers. 83 mins & he brings Revan on who started to give Brum something to think about down the flank rather than aimlessly punting it forward down the middle which Brum coped easily with all game. No real disgrace for Wrexham though, they've had a tougher start than us in terms of opposition faced & done well so far. Up against 30 million pounds worth of talent last night as well. Brum were good but then again so they should be, their squad is unreal for league 1. Watching that last night though made me glad we've got a local lad done good at the helm & not what Brum or Wrexham have, the media coverage & the constant shots of Brady & Becks & gang was vomit inducing.
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Post by Waldorf on Sept 17, 2024 9:35:40 GMT
Nice! I had McLean and Dobson to be booked in play at 66/1. How the ref didnt book Dobson for either of the 2 fouls he gave away I do not know. Bell. The second one especially. He's awful that Dobson, he's even got the face of a t**t.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 17, 2024 9:37:28 GMT
As Mozzer says, he had 11 games from which we took 10 points. Over the course of a season that'd give us 41/42 points. Ward has 12 games, where we took 8 points. That would give us 30/31 points over a season. Simpson had 23 games, and were on 23 points when he was sacked. Obvs that would have given us 46 points if we continued at the same rate. As it was, we went down on 41 points. Lincoln also dropped on 47, Barnet stayed up on 48. If we'd not dithered after Simpson went and bought Matthias in earlier, or just stuck with Simpson, I still think we'd have stayed up. That 12 game spell under Ward was a killer.
yep. Ward gets a bit of a pass on here due to his achivements as a player/assistant, but was just as bad as Ablett / Kalezic etc.
Cannot agree more with those posts. Was it all about the money from the start and mathias was appointed too late. Simpson always gets the blame for relegation but was only part to blame. Wardy was the other part but the club themselves were the bigger culprits for employing him on the cheap in the first place.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 17, 2024 9:51:20 GMT
As Mozzer says, he had 11 games from which we took 10 points. Over the course of a season that'd give us 41/42 points. Ward has 12 games, where we took 8 points. That would give us 30/31 points over a season. Simpson had 23 games, and were on 23 points when he was sacked. Obvs that would have given us 46 points if we continued at the same rate. As it was, we went down on 41 points. Lincoln also dropped on 47, Barnet stayed up on 48. If we'd not dithered after Simpson went and bought Matthias in earlier, or just stuck with Simpson, I still think we'd have stayed up. That 12 game spell under Ward was a killer. yep. Ward gets a bit of a pass on here due to his achivements as a player/assistant, but was just as bad as Ablett / Kalezic etc. To be fair to him, he didn't want to be there. He knew he was out of his depth but felt obliged to help out as nobody else wanted to touch it and he was already at the club. He's always been quite open about it.
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Post by Chris B - Prog collector on Sept 17, 2024 9:55:31 GMT
Ablett getting a hard time is ridiculous in my opinion. The club had nothing.. He had very little to work with.
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Sept 17, 2024 10:06:54 GMT
Ablett getting a hard time is ridiculous in my opinion. The club had nothing.. He had very little to work with. Fon Williams, Rose, Bridcutt, Turnbull, Raynes, Baker, Johnson, Poole, Griffin, Tansey. All of the above were available to him, there's no way we should have finished as far adrift as we did, regardless of off-field events.
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Post by tgttiw on Sept 17, 2024 10:25:03 GMT
Ablett getting a hard time is ridiculous in my opinion. The club had nothing.. He had very little to work with. Fon Williams, Rose, Bridcutt, Turnbull, Raynes, Baker, Johnson, Poole, Griffin, Tansey. All of the above were available to him, there's no way we should have finished as far adrift as we did, regardless of off-field events. Ablett made the same mistake as rusk IMHO. We started OK then john ward got offered another role and ablett bought in a non descript academy coach from Liverpool. He brings him someone decent we might have done better. If rusk had gone for a proper assistant not mcghee who was on one last pay cheque then he would have done better. These new coaches need steady hands around them. Dave jones had sainty.
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Post by HTC on Sept 17, 2024 10:36:24 GMT
Ablett getting a hard time is ridiculous in my opinion. The club had nothing.. He had very little to work with. Fon Williams, Rose, Bridcutt, Turnbull, Raynes, Baker, Johnson, Poole, Griffin, Tansey. All of the above were available to him, there's no way we should have finished as far adrift as we did, regardless of off-field events.
Pretty much my view too.
We were always going to get relegated that season with all the off field problems, but we shouldn't have been 20 points off 23rd place / only 2 home wins all season bad, not even counting the Torquay at Macc debacle
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Post by scfc29 on Sept 17, 2024 10:40:11 GMT
Ablett getting a hard time is ridiculous in my opinion. The club had nothing.. He had very little to work with. Fon Williams, Rose, Bridcutt, Turnbull, Raynes, Baker, Johnson, Poole, Griffin, Tansey. All of the above were available to him, there's no way we should have finished as far adrift as we did, regardless of off-field events. That list of players doesn’t really support that argument. Turnbull, Poole, Griffin and Tansey were all relegation standard players in league 1 at that time (mainly due to inexperience). Would’ve been a near impossible job for anyone although we did go down with a whimper.
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