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Post by countybumpkin on Jul 8, 2024 11:23:46 GMT
That's me that's weird then. Does the order of preference not go… 1. Performance & result. 2. If you can’t play well, just get the result. 3. If you can’t get the result, play well. 4. Poor performance & no result. ? Exactement.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 8, 2024 11:23:52 GMT
That's me that's weird then. Does the order of preference not go… 1. Performance & result. 2. If you can’t play well, just get the result. 3. If you can’t get the result, play well. 4. Poor performance & no result. ? That’s basically where I’m at. I’d like to think a No. 2 outcome (on a couple of levels) means there’s room for improvement hence the criticism, but the thinking seems to be that that’s possibly the only way to get a result these days. Plenty of empirical evidence to support the theory, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 8, 2024 11:28:11 GMT
That's me that's weird then. Does the order of preference not go… 1. Performance & result. 2. If you can’t play well, just get the result. 3. If you can’t get the result, play well. 4. Poor performance & no result. ? Not if you're weird.
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Post by voodooray on Jul 8, 2024 11:41:24 GMT
First major tournament I remember was the 1982 World Cup, this time- that was the first single I'd bought with my pocket money from Woolies in Northenden. Did we even win a game? Yes, indeed. Beat France 3-1 with a super quick goal from Bryan Robson. We won all three group games. Got to the next stage which was those weird 3 team groups which were the equivalent of quarter finals. We were in with West Germany and Spain. We drew both but that was not enough. So we actually never lost a game in that tournament & got knocked out. We are Ron's 22 ... great tune.
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Post by mat1scfc on Jul 8, 2024 11:44:13 GMT
The ref who will take charge of our game on Wednesday has been punished for match fixing in the past in Germany (german ref)
Jude Bellingham called him out while be was at dortmund
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Post by houldsworthhatter on Jul 8, 2024 11:47:18 GMT
First major tournament I remember was the 1982 World Cup, this time- that was the first single I'd bought with my pocket money from Woolies in Northenden. Did we even win a game? We beat France 3-1 😁 didn’t we beat Kuwait as well? Not sure about the game against Czechoslovakia though. Drew both second round games 0-0 as it was a second group stage. That saw us go home I think. Edit: Won all 3 group games and drew with Spain and West Germany in the second round - actually unbeaten!!!
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Post by countybumpkin on Jul 8, 2024 12:02:47 GMT
The ref who will take charge of our game on Wednesday has been punished for match fixing in the past in Germany (german ref) Jude Bellingham called him out while be was at dortmund Why's he allowed to referee again, especially at this level?
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Post by The Real Exile on Jul 8, 2024 12:03:39 GMT
First major tournament I remember was the 1982 World Cup, this time- that was the first single I'd bought with my pocket money from Woolies in Northenden. Did we even win a game? We beat France 3-1 😁 didn’t we beat Kuwait as well? Not sure about the game against Czechoslovakia though. Drew both second round games 0-0 as it was a second group stage. That saw us go home I think. Edit: Won all 3 group games and drew with Spain and West Germany in the second round - actually unbeaten!!! I only remember the draws! strange what stays with you as a kid.
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Post by countybumpkin on Jul 8, 2024 12:04:06 GMT
First major tournament I remember was the 1982 World Cup, this time- that was the first single I'd bought with my pocket money from Woolies in Northenden. Did we even win a game? We beat France 3-1 😁 didn’t we beat Kuwait as well? Not sure about the game against Czechoslovakia though. Drew both second round games 0-0 as it was a second group stage. That saw us go home I think. Edit: Won all 3 group games and drew with Spain and West Germany in the second round - actually unbeaten!!! Seem to remember late chances for Keegan and Brooking which could've put us through
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Post by gibbo on Jul 8, 2024 12:05:55 GMT
That's me that's weird then. Does the order of preference not go… 2. If you can’t play well, just get the result. Yes, but just not 7 consecutive games please.
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Post by voodooray on Jul 8, 2024 12:10:26 GMT
We beat France 3-1 😁 didn’t we beat Kuwait as well? Not sure about the game against Czechoslovakia though. Drew both second round games 0-0 as it was a second group stage. That saw us go home I think. Edit: Won all 3 group games and drew with Spain and West Germany in the second round - actually unbeaten!!! Seem to remember late chances for Keegan and Brooking which could've put us through Yes. Think they'd been carrying injuries at start of tournament but were in the squad - they came on as subs in the final game as I recall & both went close.
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Post by countybumpkin on Jul 8, 2024 12:12:31 GMT
First major tournament I remember was the 1982 World Cup, this time- that was the first single I'd bought with my pocket money from Woolies in Northenden. Did we even win a game? The mega-corrupted '78 World Cup is the first I remember but we obviously didn't qualify (we didn't qualify in '74 either so those were dire years). I had to look up the '80 Euros though, which we did qualify for, going out in the group stage, but I don't recall any of it. It was a bit of a crap format though. Only two groups of four, top in each group made the final, second in each group played the third/fourth place play off (WTF?). England finished third in group 2. Since 1970, we've been generally shite. The last eight years have been consistently and considerably better.
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Post by scfc29 on Jul 8, 2024 13:25:48 GMT
This by the way is the type of stuff Southgate deserves his credit for.
Whilst having to need the shootout in the first place is disappointing, this level of preparation makes it no fluke that the players delivered so well.
Was also clear to see all players had a very strong regimented preparation for each penalty, including some form of deep breath/breathwork before running up to take the penalty. Might seem silly to some but it’s probably the difference between a win and a loss.
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Post by atmosphere on Jul 8, 2024 13:29:49 GMT
Penalties were excellent on Saturday. No disagreement on that.
It helps that we're bringing on takers for their clubs like Palmer and Toney. With all the subs now, teams can end up changing 6 outfielders before penalties which leaves a very unexpected set of players to choose from. Switzerland did score 3 of 4 but first two were centre halves. Their approach seemed to be more right who's the most experienced players left on as opposed to takers by trade.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 8, 2024 14:55:57 GMT
Question. If we play absolutely fantastic football and rip Netherlands to shreds but just can’t find the back of the net and we lose 1-0 on Wednesday, for example, would that genuinely make people feel better? Surely not? The criticism would simply shift to “all fur coat no knickers” etc. as we’d be lacking end product which is just as, if not more, frustrating. I don’t see the benefit of not enjoying the fact we’re in a semi, yet again, just because we might not have set the world alight. I didn’t enjoy the penalty win on Saturday any less because I was too hung up that we could have played better. If anything I’d be more annoyed it’d gone to penalties if we’d played brilliantly. As has been said, plenty of more exciting teams are at home watching on TV now. I know who I’d rather be. It’s funny, but our lack of an end product has been our issue all tournament so far. We’ve dominated games without really creating much of note because the final ball has been so bad. I think that “all fur coat no knickers” is a good description of our pragmatism so far.
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