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Post by Philcounty on Jul 11, 2024 9:52:59 GMT
I'm not having this 'anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul' argument. No, it isn't. Kane's leg swings into the defender's foot after the ball has gone. Neither are high and the defender has every right to try to block that. Let me put it this way, if England had had that awarded against us we'd be moaning about it for a very long time. The Dutch are right to do so. That being said, we were the better team over the 90mins. It was a lucky decision, but we weren't lucky to win. Completely agree. We deserved to win but that should never be a penalty. Look forward to strikers trying to follow through into defenders in the hope of winning a penalty.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 11, 2024 10:14:09 GMT
There are many penalties across the season where fans will disagree about because of the team they support. Even the stone waller will get someone who has a legitimate reason why it should not have been awarded. Many teams are the best one on the pitch throughout the game but do not get the break they deserved as we have all seen in the past.
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Post by vicar on Jul 11, 2024 10:23:19 GMT
I'm not having this 'anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul' argument. No, it isn't. Kane's leg swings into the defender's foot after the ball has gone. Neither are high and the defender has every right to try to block that. Let me put it this way, if England had had that awarded against us we'd be moaning about it for a very long time. The Dutch are right to do so. That being said, we were the better team over the 90mins. It was a lucky decision, but we weren't lucky to win. The defenders foot was high and nowhere near the ball, Kane's wasn't just near the ball he hit it, the defender played the man not the ball, I'm not accusing you of this but some people always want to show how fair and magnanimous they are, I used to sit near a bloke at County who said every penalty we had was never a penalty and every tackle by a County player in the box we were lucky to get away with, to be fair there was a bloke near him who always had the opposite opinion.
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Post by samscfc on Jul 11, 2024 10:25:13 GMT
rather than discussing previous games. You're pretty quick to reference previous games though when you're giving Southgate a slagging, why change now Sam ?? Everyone knows my thoughts on Southgate, I'll give it a rest for this week as we're in a final and I want to enjoy it.
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Post by vicar on Jul 11, 2024 10:26:05 GMT
I'm not having this 'anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul' argument. No, it isn't. Kane's leg swings into the defender's foot after the ball has gone. Neither are high and the defender has every right to try to block that. Let me put it this way, if England had had that awarded against us we'd be moaning about it for a very long time. The Dutch are right to do so. That being said, we were the better team over the 90mins. It was a lucky decision, but we weren't lucky to win. Completely agree. We deserved to win but that should never be a penalty. Look forward to strikers trying to follow through into defenders in the hope of winning a penalty. And if that defender just puts his foot there to prevent the shot rather than play the ball the striker has every right to follow through, however that's not what Kane did.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 11, 2024 10:29:39 GMT
I'm not having this 'anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul' argument. No, it isn't. Kane's leg swings into the defender's foot after the ball has gone. Neither are high and the defender has every right to try to block that. Let me put it this way, if England had had that awarded against us we'd be moaning about it for a very long time. The Dutch are right to do so. That being said, we were the better team over the 90mins. It was a lucky decision, but we weren't lucky to win. Yes you are having it. Studs up. Foul anywhere else in the pitch. The ref got to look at it again and said it was a foul so pen and yellow card. The VAR ref thought the same too or wouldn’t have called the ref over. Av it!
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Post by Philcounty on Jul 11, 2024 10:54:16 GMT
Completely agree. We deserved to win but that should never be a penalty. Look forward to strikers trying to follow through into defenders in the hope of winning a penalty. And if that defender just puts his foot there to prevent the shot rather than play the ball the striker has every right to follow through, however that's not what Kane did. If a defender was clearing a ball, a striker tried to block it and the defender's follow through hit the foot of the striker, you'd never expect a foul to be given against the striker. It's madness. Defenders may as well not try and block shots because they're either going to give away a point blank range handball or a foul because the striker collided with them.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 11, 2024 10:56:27 GMT
And if that defender just puts his foot there to prevent the shot rather than play the ball the striker has every right to follow through, however that's not what Kane did. If a defender was clearing a ball, a striker tried to block it and the defender's follow through hit the foot of the striker, you'd never expect a foul to be given against the striker. It's madness. Defenders may as well not try and block shots because they're either going to give away a point blank range handball or a foul because the striker collided with them. They can block shots but when they have studs showing - not allowed. You can argue against that as a rule but you can’t argue it ain’t a penner.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 11, 2024 11:19:37 GMT
If a defender was clearing a ball, a striker tried to block it and the defender's follow through hit the foot of the striker, you'd never expect a foul to be given against the striker. It's madness. Defenders may as well not try and block shots because they're either going to give away a point blank range handball or a foul because the striker collided with them. They can block shots but when they have studs showing - not allowed. You can argue against that as a rule but you can’t argue it ain’t a penner. In the same way all bicycle kicks from attackers should be banned if a defender is in close proximeter to them.
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Post by Philcounty on Jul 11, 2024 11:25:09 GMT
If a defender was clearing a ball, a striker tried to block it and the defender's follow through hit the foot of the striker, you'd never expect a foul to be given against the striker. It's madness. Defenders may as well not try and block shots because they're either going to give away a point blank range handball or a foul because the striker collided with them. They can block shots but when they have studs showing - not allowed. You can argue against that as a rule but you can’t argue it ain’t a penner. The defender's foot was side on to Kane and his studs only made contact because of the full extension of Kane's follow through. It wasn't like he was lunging towards him studs showing. He was trying to get his foot in front of him to block the ball.
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Post by countyingermany on Jul 11, 2024 11:27:01 GMT
I was in the ground and I don't think a single person around me shouted for a pen, the general feeling was we're not sure what that is for but we'll take it...in the 'I've seen em given' catergory for me...if I was dutch I'd be thinking it was harsh but Koemans karma from David Platt has come round eventually
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Post by stockytwo on Jul 11, 2024 11:32:30 GMT
I was in the ground and I don't think a single person around me shouted for a pen, the general feeling was we're not sure what that is for but we'll take it...in the 'I've seen em given' catergory for me...if I was dutch I'd be thinking it was harsh but Koemans karma from David Platt has come round eventually wow must have been some experience! jealous
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Post by vicar on Jul 11, 2024 11:43:54 GMT
They can block shots but when they have studs showing - not allowed. You can argue against that as a rule but you can’t argue it ain’t a penner. The defender's foot was side on to Kane and his studs only made contact because of the full extension of Kane's follow through. It wasn't like he was lunging towards him studs showing. He was trying to get his foot in front of him to block the ball. View AttachmentHe got nowhere near the ball, your photo shows his studs on Harry's foot, I'm even more convinced now.
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Post by mustafapoint on Jul 11, 2024 11:45:13 GMT
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Post by countyingermany on Jul 11, 2024 11:50:42 GMT
I was in the ground and I don't think a single person around me shouted for a pen, the general feeling was we're not sure what that is for but we'll take it...in the 'I've seen em given' catergory for me...if I was dutch I'd be thinking it was harsh but Koemans karma from David Platt has come round eventually wow must have been some experience! jealous After the final whistle I've never experienced anything like it, bodies everywhere making an absoloute racket and hugging random strangers, possibly theloudest I've heard a footy stadium let alone England...managed to do them all bar the Swiss game and last night is going right alongside that Bellingham overhead kick, I think overall performance wise it probably nicks it
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