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Post by nelly on Jul 14, 2024 22:12:12 GMT
I want an English manager but I'd love a Klopp or a Guardiola, Southgate is a really likeable bloke and he's been successful and I know he's changed a lot behind the scenes but I'd love an inspirational manager who could make the team more than the sum of its parts. If you want a manager who could make a team more than the sum of its parts then you don’t want Pep. Ah sod it, get big Sam back.
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Post by scfc29 on Jul 14, 2024 22:14:02 GMT
One bridesmaid for another.
How many times has Klopp come 2nd or lost a European final holding his cock?
Very sound manager who has got over the line occasion but if we're going foreign, it needs to be some win at all costs Spaniard, their mentality is superior.
There’s levels mate and also very harsh on Klopp. Klopp is one of the best managers of a generation, Southgate tactically isn’t premier league level.
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Post by davo on Jul 14, 2024 22:18:30 GMT
One bridesmaid for another.
How many times has Klopp come 2nd or lost a European final holding his cock?
Very sound manager who has got over the line occasion but if we're going foreign, it needs to be some win at all costs Spaniard, their mentality is superior.
There’s levels mate and also very harsh on Klopp. Klopp is one of the best managers of a generation, Southgate tactically isn’t premier league level. Spot on
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Jul 14, 2024 22:18:44 GMT
Southgate is responsible for the complete change in fortune of the English national side, and his conduct in public is a stellar example for anyone involved in football. A 56% win ratio in tournament football, 2 finals back to back and several semi finals, other than 1966, we've never had it so good. Other nations, including those that can't hide their joy at seeing our downfall (like Scotland, Ireland, Wales et al) would snap their hands off to be where we are, although they could never live with themselves for admitting it. But let's get rid of him because, well, whatever reason you want. I'd rather keep him and be nearly men, because for me there isn't any body out there that will do better. Better to be second best in the Euros than be the worst team in it (Scotland by the way).
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Post by ebbs on Jul 14, 2024 22:20:59 GMT
Klopp would be my choice. If its true that he has health issues then an international job would be better suited, no week in week out involvement or stresses. Knows the English game and players. No brainer.
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Post by scfc73 on Jul 14, 2024 22:23:39 GMT
Ummm? I’ve posted and I back him. I think he’s done a fantastic job if fallen short at the final hurdle. “Southgate backers quiet” what like you went quiet when we got to another Euro final? He’s done a good job, if a little safe at times. We’ve been the better team in every game we’ve played until the final when we were only second best to an outstanding Spanish side by the finest of margins. That game could have gone either way. Were Spain shit when they were passing sideways and backwards in the first half as well? We’re the second best team in Europe for the second tournament in a row. This period of supporting England is the best it’s been in my life and I’m enjoying it even though we’ve fallen short. I’d like to see Southgate have one last shot at the World Cup but wouldn’t blame him if he decides against it. We’re not nearly as defensive as people seem to think we are either. We’re safe and we’re controlled but by and large we’re a pretty mixed setup. End of the day this is one of those things where views are already entrenched. We could have won that today (and we really could) and you wouldn’t have shifted your viewpoint one iota. Whoever comes after Southgate had really better hit the ground running or the knives really will be out. Poisoned chalice time again? Lee Carsley apparently, already been decided. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that's the way the F.A. went if Southgate doesn't stay on. Fits the same model as Southgate in appointing up from the U21's. Lee Carsley isn't a name that excites me personally but he has won England's only U21 Euro's, ironically beating Spain in the final.
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Post by bristolhatter on Jul 14, 2024 22:25:51 GMT
Lee Carsley apparently, already been decided. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that's the way the F.A. went if Southgate doesn't stay on. Fits the same model as Southgate in appointing up from the U21's. Lee Carsley isn't a name that excites me personally but he has won England's only U21 Euro's, ironically beating Spain in the final. No doubt Rusk will get a shot at some point!
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Post by scfc73 on Jul 14, 2024 22:27:37 GMT
Klopp would be my choice. If its true that he has health issues then an international job would be better suited, no week in week out involvement or stresses. Knows the English game and players. No brainer. I'd rather have an Englishman as manager of the national side but there's a distinct lack options there. If we had to go down the foreign coach route again I'd be more than happy with Klopp. I think this young bunch of attacking players we have coming through would flourish under his playing style.
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Post by vicar on Jul 14, 2024 22:31:57 GMT
Southgate is responsible for the complete change in fortune of the English national side, and his conduct in public is a stellar example for anyone involved in football. A 56% win ratio in tournament football, 2 finals back to back and several semi finals, other than 1966, we've never had it so good. Other nations, including those that can't hide their joy at seeing our downfall (like Scotland, Ireland, Wales et al) would snap their hands off to be where we are, although they could never live with themselves for admitting it. But let's get rid of him because, well, whatever reason you want. I'd rather keep him and be nearly men, because for me there isn't any body out there that will do better. Better to be second best in the Euros than be the worst team in it (Scotland by the way). Southgate has been brilliant for England he's done so much more than manage the first team, however since the Premier league formed every top flight club has invested millions in young talent and it's coming through on a conveyor belt, we should be winning stuff, the investment is there, we have a large population, we have everything in place.
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Post by ancienthatter on Jul 14, 2024 22:36:42 GMT
Southgate is responsible for the complete change in fortune of the English national side, and his conduct in public is a stellar example for anyone involved in football. A 56% win ratio in tournament football, 2 finals back to back and several semi finals, other than 1966, we've never had it so good. Other nations, including those that can't hide their joy at seeing our downfall (like Scotland, Ireland, Wales et al) would snap their hands off to be where we are, although they could never live with themselves for admitting it. But let's get rid of him because, well, whatever reason you want. I'd rather keep him and be nearly men, because for me there isn't any body out there that will do better. Better to be second best in the Euros than be the worst team in it (Scotland by the way). Southgate has been brilliant for England he's done so much more than manage the first team, however since the Premier league formed every top flight club has invested millions in young talent and it's coming through on a conveyor belt, we should be winning stuff, the investment is there, we have a large population, we have everything in place. He’s done a great job of giving us credibility and stability and a bit of a backbone. I think he’s done a good job and if we have to have Knighthoods I’d put him in line. But we need someone who wants to play front foot football. Times have moved on. He’ll be the second best England manager in history… until we win something. But I like the guy.
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Post by trickster on Jul 14, 2024 22:37:01 GMT
Southgate is responsible for the complete change in fortune of the English national side, and his conduct in public is a stellar example for anyone involved in football. A 56% win ratio in tournament football, 2 finals back to back and several semi finals, other than 1966, we've never had it so good. Other nations, including those that can't hide their joy at seeing our downfall (like Scotland, Ireland, Wales et al) would snap their hands off to be where we are, although they could never live with themselves for admitting it. But let's get rid of him because, well, whatever reason you want. I'd rather keep him and be nearly men, because for me there isn't any body out there that will do better. Better to be second best in the Euros than be the worst team in it (Scotland by the way). Southgate has been brilliant for England he's done so much more than manage the first team, however since the Premier league formed every top flight club has invested millions in young talent and it's coming through on a conveyor belt, we should be winning stuff, the investment is there, we have a large population, we have everything in place. Agree. He's done lots of good things when expectations were at rock bottom but ultimately he's Steve Rusk. Tonight was a re-run of Steve's County v Challinor's Hartlepool playoff game essentially and we're now at the point where it's not good enough to approach a match hoping to stilfe 88 minutes of it and get lucky with a "moment". It might actually be forgivable to attempt that against Spain in the final if we hadn't also done it throughout the entire tournament in games where we should have been on the front foot and not getting out of jail with hail Mary overhead kicks in injury time.
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Post by BWScarf on Jul 14, 2024 22:37:08 GMT
Best team won.
Southgate has done an awful lot of good for England, beyond the results, in changing the feel, nature and dynamic of the team. For that he’s one of our greatest ever.
Others disagree with me, and that’s fine, but I haven’t enjoyed this tournament, even with getting to the final. Our football has been turgid and a tough watch at times. It’s fine as long as you’re winning, and getting to finals is great, but no-one remembers the losers. Being back-to-back losing finalists isn’t a source of pride for me, it’s one of sadness.
I want England to play the attacking football we know they can play. We might end up going out in quarter finals instead of semis or finals, but so what? If we’re not going to win things, at least make it fun to watch.
I don’t want to take away from Southgate. He should be proud of his efforts. But it’s time for a new chapter.
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Post by ancienthatter on Jul 14, 2024 22:38:24 GMT
Best team won. Southgate has done an awful lot of good for England, beyond the results, in changing the feel, nature and dynamic of the team. For that he’s one of our greatest ever. Others disagree with me, and that’s fine, but I haven’t enjoyed this tournament, even with getting to the final. Our football has been turgid and a tough watch at times. It’s fine as long as you’re winning, and getting to finals is great, but no-one remembers the losers. Being back-to-back losing finalists isn’t a source of pride for me, it’s one of sadness. I want England to play the attacking football we know they can play. We might end up going out in quarter finals instead of semis or finals, but so what? If we’re not going to win things, at least make it fun to watch. I don’t want to take away from Southgate. He should be proud of his efforts. But it’s time for a new chapter. Spot on.
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Post by trickster on Jul 14, 2024 22:38:43 GMT
Best team won. Southgate has done an awful lot of good for England, beyond the results, in changing the feel, nature and dynamic of the team. For that he’s one of our greatest ever. Others disagree with me, and that’s fine, but I haven’t enjoyed this tournament, even with getting to the final. Our football has been turgid and a tough watch at times. It’s fine as long as you’re winning, and getting to finals is great, but no-one remembers the losers. Being back-to-back losing finalists isn’t a source of pride for me, it’s one of sadness. I want England to play the attacking football we know they can play. We might end up going out in quarter finals instead of semis or finals, but so what? If we’re not going to win things, at least make it fun to watch. I don’t want to take away from Southgate. He should be proud of his efforts. But it’s time for a new chapter. 100%
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Post by ancienthatter on Jul 14, 2024 22:41:21 GMT
And to be fair… it’s much easier to bear when the best team by a mile won the competition.
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