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Post by atmosphere on Jul 15, 2024 7:48:15 GMT
On the positive side, those Spaniards were bloody brilliant weren't they.
If that Williams doesn't win player of the tournament, there's no justice.
Three cheers for Williams.
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Post by gatleyhatter on Jul 15, 2024 7:52:19 GMT
On the positive side, those Spaniards were bloody brilliant weren't they. If that Williams doesn't win player of the tournament, there's no justice. Three cheers for Williams. Rodri won player of the tournament i think
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 15, 2024 8:13:26 GMT
If we are to go to down the foreign route then Zidane is my number 1 choice. Not a bad shout but think Ancelotti would be better. We will get Potter.
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Post by scfc73 on Jul 15, 2024 8:17:58 GMT
If we are to go to down the foreign route then Zidane is my number 1 choice. Not a bad shout but think Ancelotti would be better. We will get Potter. He was rumoured to be taking the Brazil job recently but that hasn't materialised. Still too busy winning stuff with Real Madrid but would definitely be a good shout for England.
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Post by wnm on Jul 15, 2024 8:21:18 GMT
Setting up to counter when three of your front four have absolutely no pace was such a Southgate thing to do.
Didn’t want to drop names but also didn’t want go for it. So ends up with tactics completely unsuited to the players on the pitch.
He’s brought a lot of very positive change to the England set-up but ultimately when the players are on the pitch his tactics are negative and naive.
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Post by scfc29 on Jul 15, 2024 8:30:00 GMT
Our major tournament record since 2018:
Wins - Tunisia Panama Sweden Czechia Germany Ukraine Croatia Iran Wales Senegal Serbia Netherlands
Draws - Colombia (win on pens) Scotland Croatia (loss after ET) Denmark (win after ET) Italy (loss after pens) USA Denmark Slovenia Slovakia (win after ET) Switzerland (win after pens)
Loses - Belgium (x2) France Spain
I think it’s easy enough to draw your own conclusions from that.
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Post by 1994hatter on Jul 15, 2024 8:34:58 GMT
Our major tournament record since 2018: Wins - Tunisia Panama Sweden Czechia Germany Ukraine Croatia Iran Wales Senegal Serbia Netherlands Draws - Colombia (win on pens) Scotland Croatia (loss after ET) Denmark (win after ET) Italy (loss after pens) USA Denmark Slovenia Slovakia (win after ET) Switzerland (win after pens) Loses - Belgium (x2) France Spain I think it’s easy enough to draw your own conclusions from that. What’s our record for the 4 tournaments immediately before 2018?
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Post by 1994hatter on Jul 15, 2024 8:40:36 GMT
I’ll do it - record in the four tournaments prior to Southgate.
Wins: Wales Sweden Ukraine Slovenia
Draws: Russia Slovakia Costa Rica France Italy (Lost on pens) USA Algeria
Defeats: Iceland Italy Uruguay Germany
All very well saying we’ve had favourable draws etc but we never even used to beat them that regularly!
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Post by scfc29 on Jul 15, 2024 8:42:22 GMT
Our major tournament record since 2018: Wins - Tunisia Panama Sweden Czechia Germany Ukraine Croatia Iran Wales Senegal Serbia Netherlands Draws - Colombia (win on pens) Scotland Croatia (loss after ET) Denmark (win after ET) Italy (loss after pens) USA Denmark Slovenia Slovakia (win after ET) Switzerland (win after pens) Loses - Belgium (x2) France Spain I think it’s easy enough to draw your own conclusions from that. What’s our record for the 4 tournaments immediately before 2018? We failed in the same manner, drawing and losing to inferior squads.
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Post by 1994hatter on Jul 15, 2024 8:47:37 GMT
What’s our record for the 4 tournaments immediately before 2018? We failed in the same manner, drawing and losing to inferior squads. Not a single knockout win though. 4 wins in four tournaments in the group stages only. As gutting as losing the massive games is, I’d much rather lose in a semi final, a final, a quarter final and a final.
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Post by sidcup on Jul 15, 2024 8:47:41 GMT
Our major tournament record since 2018: Wins - Tunisia Panama Sweden Czechia Germany Ukraine Croatia Iran Wales Senegal Serbia Netherlands Draws - Colombia (win on pens) Scotland Croatia (loss after ET) Denmark (win after ET) Italy (loss after pens) USA Denmark Slovenia Slovakia (win after ET) Switzerland (win after pens) Loses - Belgium (x2) France Spain I think it’s easy enough to draw your own conclusions from that. What’s our record for the 4 tournaments immediately before 2018? Wins: Slovenia Sweden Ukraine Wales Draws: USA Algeria France Italy (lost on pens) Costa Rica Russia Slovakia Defeats: Germany Italy Uruguay Iceland
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Jul 15, 2024 8:53:01 GMT
Klopp is still under contract at Liverpool. He's just become an ambassador for their charity foundation. That isn't the same as being under contract.
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Post by palmersears on Jul 15, 2024 8:55:24 GMT
Not going to go over the same arguments we've been having in here for a month now, but one thing that struck me most this tournament is how lost Kane looked.
I do think thats partly down to the way we set up in the latter stages, he's not suited to a counter attacking side where there aren't pacy midfield runners beyond him, but he also seemed to be increasingly immobile and it looks like it's time for him to pass on the baton to the likes of Watkins if we're to continue with this approach moving forwards under whoever the new manager is.
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Post by mat1scfc on Jul 15, 2024 9:20:52 GMT
Not going to go over the same arguments we've been having in here for a month now, but one thing that struck me most this tournament is how lost Kane looked. I do think thats partly down to the way we set up in the latter stages, he's not suited to a counter attacking side where there aren't pacy midfield runners beyond him, but he also seemed to be increasingly immobile and it looks like it's time for him to pass on the baton to the likes of Watkins if we're to continue with this approach moving forwards under whoever the new manager is. kane had an injury right at the end of the season which to me looked like he hadn't recovered from yet but its gone under the radar abit i feel because he's not playing in the prem. As you say the system doesn't help him and others
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Jul 15, 2024 9:27:13 GMT
I wonder how Gareth Southgate will be remembered in years to come. The man who turned around a massively underperforming team reaching 2 Euro finals, a World Cup semi final and a World Cup quarter final during his 8 years in charge or the man who failed to utilise the strengths of his better players playing them more often than not in an alien system in positions that do not get the best out of them.
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