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Post by vicar on Dec 15, 2013 21:22:45 GMT
Everyone said it was just a few conspiracy theorists with over active imaginations who said this is all part of a plan to make Edgeley Park unsustainable. but for the first time we had a sub 2000 crowd at EP, I know Brackley's following of 8 contributed to that but the number of home fans was the lowest for a long time. On Marionsboard there are rumours of us moving to Hyde or Woodley, people have been saying that Woodley Sports or Stockport Saxons as they're now known have been given notice to quit, this would conveniently allow us to move in. If this turns out to be the case I personally think we'd be better off starting our own version of County rather than follow this lot elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 21:31:05 GMT
I for a while just thought it was the wild ramblings of the Great Grand Godfather but the more I have seen what's been going on the more I think it has been the plan all along. I am with you on starting our own if they do move us away. It will be a very sad day and I feel it has been part of the sporting philanthropists master plan.
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Post by vicar on Dec 15, 2013 21:34:47 GMT
I for a while just thought it was the wild ramblings of the Great Grand Godfather but the more I have seen what's been going on the more I think it has been the plan all along. I am with you on starting our own if they do move us away. It will be a very sad day and I feel it has been part of the sporting philanthropists master plan. If the worst comes to the worst and we leave EP then it will no longer be County, our own version would have much more credibility.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 21:36:34 GMT
I for a while just thought it was the wild ramblings of the Great Grand Godfather but the more I have seen what's been going on the more I think it has been the plan all along. I am with you on starting our own if they do move us away. It will be a very sad day and I feel it has been part of the sporting philanthropists master plan. If the worst comes to the worst and we leave EP then it will no longer be County, our own version would have much more credibility. it would because it would be started by the one asset they can never own, the fans
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 22:28:31 GMT
It really looks more like a case of more cock-up than conspiracy though?
The fundamental flaw with this theory is what do the board gain by us moving to Woodley? There isn't a land deal, because there is no deal to be done with EP, and there isn't anything to be earned elsewhere from SCFC as we'd be playing in part time regional football forever.
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Post by CB1883 on Dec 15, 2013 22:34:52 GMT
If we left EP it would be the final nail in the coffin for me.
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Post by someoneelse on Dec 15, 2013 23:32:31 GMT
Same here.
The Co op or any interested party needs to go direct to BK and negotiate a preliminary rent agreement IMO.
Cut the shareholders out and reclaim our club, even if it means the existing one folds. The fanbase and EP are the only two things we have left and the identity belongs to us anyway. As long as those three things stick together I don't care if we have to start again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 8:37:41 GMT
Same here. The Co op or any interested party needs to go direct to BK and negotiate a preliminary rent agreement IMO. Cut the shareholders out and reclaim our club, even if it means the existing one folds. The fanbase and EP are the only two things we have left and the identity belongs to us anyway. As long as those three things stick together I don't care if we have to start again. # Do you believe the Co-op can muster anything like the financial resources necessary to buy/commit to rent Edgeley Park from Brian Kennedy ? # Would the current shareholders of the entity underpinning SCFC and Brian Kennedy mutually waive existing contractual obligations? # Do you believe that affluent but not rich, in any meaningful football sense , shareholders can/should continue to 'bankroll' SCFC even though some of them are not (as I understand it) actual long term supporters of the Club? Or how do you "cut them out" ? # Do you believe said shareholders will/should collectively walk away from the prospect of getting a potential 40% tax rebate from HMRC on aggregate losses associated with their SCFC inc related expenditure? # "I don't care if we have to start again." Then do you think a start up SC2 could afford EP given the overheads to revenue metric ? # Do you think a unilateral 'start up' operation without shareholder resolution would be eligible for Skrill North ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 9:27:52 GMT
the way I see it is whoever controls EP controls the club.
I really can't see why the shareholders would have any interest in maintaining the club knowing the vague possibility of reclaiming the asset is off the table, so there's nothing left for them here, and their only interest is in getting out.
With us controlling of the asset, there are then various tactics we can use to force them out, preferably selling the club to us for a nominal fee along the way, and if they instead decide to play hardball, we make the rent at EP unsustainable, meaning they either continue to pay it, giving us more money when we do finally wrest control, or kill the club, at which point we phoenix.
The problem of course is obtaining the finance to get EP back in the first place, but reading between the lines, Kennedy is likely to be far more receptive to a deal coming from the fans / council than from a bunch of fellow wealthy businessmen.
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Post by someoneelse on Dec 16, 2013 22:16:26 GMT
Same here. The Co op or any interested party needs to go direct to BK and negotiate a preliminary rent agreement IMO. Cut the shareholders out and reclaim our club, even if it means the existing one folds. The fanbase and EP are the only two things we have left and the identity belongs to us anyway. As long as those three things stick together I don't care if we have to start again. # Do you believe the Co-op can muster anything like the financial resources necessary to buy/commit to rent Edgeley Park from Brian Kennedy ? # Would the current shareholders of the entity underpinning SCFC and Brian Kennedy mutually waive existing contractual obligations? # Do you believe that affluent but not rich, in any meaningful football sense , shareholders can/should continue to 'bankroll' SCFC even though some of them are not (as I understand it) actual long term supporters of the Club? Or how do you "cut them out" ? # Do you believe said shareholders will/should collectively walk away from the prospect of getting a potential 40% tax rebate from HMRC on aggregate losses associated with their SCFC inc related expenditure? # "I don't care if we have to start again." Then do you think a start up SC2 could afford EP given the overheads to revenue metric ? # Do you think a unilateral 'start up' operation without shareholder resolution would be eligible for Skrill North ? Blimey. Ok... # Do you believe the Co-op can muster anything like the financial resources necessary to buy/commit to rent Edgeley Park from Brian Kennedy ?
Probably not. It depends on the circumstances. A Co-Op tie in with one or two current 'friendly' shareholders though? Yeah I reckon that'd work. # Would the current shareholders of the entity underpinning SCFC and Brian Kennedy mutually waive existing contractual obligations? They'd have little choice if we were in administration or liquidated. As we found out last time, all contracts end up null and void. # Do you believe that affluent but not rich, in any meaningful football sense , shareholders can/should continue to 'bankroll' SCFC even though some of them are not (as I understand it) actual long term supporters of the Club? Or how do you "cut them out" ?
I don't believe they should retain an interest financially when they have no interest in the club itself, beyond its capacity to make them money. How to cut them out? Lots of ways. Some simple, others less so. But of course it's possible. Ideally they'll hold their hands up and admit they've made a royal pigs ear of it and do one, writing off their loans and agreeing a deal whereby their initial investment is repayable only when the club is prospering in the football league, perhaps. That is unlikely to happen. So that gets me to thinking what SCFC actually represents and what they actually own. They own little more than our registration to play in a part time league. The rest is ours to take away and do what we want with. They are nothing without our support. We could withdraw our support and take our club with us. But to do so would need a deal agreed with BK and the willingness from us to start again lower, but without the shackles of dickheads who have no interest in improving and growing the club. Sounds good to me. # Do you believe said shareholders will/should collectively walk away from the prospect of getting a potential 40% tax rebate from HMRC on aggregate losses associated with their SCFC inc related expenditure?
Of course I believe they should. But that doesn't mean I think they will. I don't think they will, because they've proven time and time again that the majority of them have no conscience as to the continuing status of our club. I think if they want to get their 40% rebate they should get on with doing it and f*ck off, to put it bluntly. We're in purgatory at the moment and every day that passes while that's the case is a day we can do without. # "I don't care if we have to start again." Then do you think a start up SC2 could afford EP given the overheads to revenue metric ?
Yes. That would depend on various factors of course, but yes, with a unified fanbase we'd stand a better chance of survival and regeneration than we currently do. There's no point in the current owners having a vast collective wealth if they have neither the desire to invest it nor the interest to make it count. # Do you think a unilateral 'start up' operation without shareholder resolution would be eligible for Skrill North ?
I doubt it. But that right now isn't important to me. I'd rather be 3 leagues down but with a steady ship run by people with a plan, a vision, an interest and the support of the fanbase. Don't get me wrong, if there's a consortium around the corner with a plan, a vision, an interest and the support of the fanbase, then bring them on asap. But in the absence of that, we need to force change somehow. And we shouldn't be afraid of forcing the club into the fire if it means the phoenix which rises from the ashes of that is better than what we have now.
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Post by vicar on Dec 17, 2013 8:03:56 GMT
Good answers and I couldn't take issue with any of them.
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