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Post by redhatter on Apr 11, 2023 19:56:11 GMT
but we get bigger gates now than what we did last season so it makes perfect sense. I get we’re selling out more regularly this season but the scale of the Halifax game meant we’d have sold out the railway end if we’d have opened it up to home fans easily. Our match going crowds are much bigger this season. We are averaging 8,958 this season, vs 7,126 last season in the National League. I think the Club are right to put County fans first. As has been mentioned by Ancient Hatter, the Hartlepool game can be streamed, so their fans can watch the game. I doubt Rochdale would have sold much more than the 800 tickets they've been allocated, given how far from safety they are?
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Post by desmond on Apr 11, 2023 19:58:23 GMT
If we are giving them at least the minimum number of tickets under league rules and if we are likely to ell out the rest of the ground to home fans (which seems possible given recent games) why would it reflect badly on us. Only possible issue is away fans trying to buy in home ends, but not going to bel easy for a bunch of Smurfs to pretend they are home fans. Because we’ve not done it for any other match before tickets have gone on sale, we’ve also not done that for any matches where away support has been as big as Hartlepool and we’ve not done it for bigger games such as Halifax last season. All of that combined with the fact that Challinor coming to us caused a lot of bad blood at Hartlepool could look like we’re sticking it to them on the last away day of what could be their last season in the EFL. Our club has grown its fanbase enormously over the last year or so and the last few games has shown the demand potential so surely it makes sense to act on that now and plan accordingly for a game where it’s very likely we’ll be able to fill that space. And the size of the away following isn’t really of our concern as long as we are meeting the minimum requirements. The only other option would be to not yet release the RE for either club and gauge the actual demand but again based on what we’ve seen recently it makes absolute sense for us to do this. Are you really saying that in a game which could decide which league we could be un next season that you’d put away fans ahead of home fans.
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Post by dunkerrrrr on Apr 11, 2023 19:59:59 GMT
Jist of this is in my reply up there☝️ But 2 blocks in the Pop side which is between 800 and 900 is more than enough, Hartlepool don't regularly have a big following, they have a big day out on the last day of the season and we're giving them around double their average away attendance. We’re making that decision before we’ve even put tickets on sale, average attendances are fine but all that goes out of the window when you’re looking at relegation and the final match of the season. If we’d have done what we usually do and sold it after they’d had an opportunity to sell out but didn’t then fair enough, but we haven’t.
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Post by vicar on Apr 11, 2023 20:04:56 GMT
But 2 blocks in the Pop side which is between 800 and 900 is more than enough, Hartlepool don't regularly have a big following, they have a big day out on the last day of the season and we're giving them around double their average away attendance. We’re making that decision before we’ve even put tickets on sale, average attendances are fine but all that goes out of the window when you’re looking at relegation and the final match of the season. If we’d have done what we usually do and sold it after they’d had an opportunity to sell out but didn’t then fair enough, but we haven’t. But we'd be putting a load of piss heads who only go once a season because they like to dress as smurfs ahead of local people who the club are trying to get on board long term.
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Post by dunkerrrrr on Apr 11, 2023 20:04:57 GMT
Because we’ve not done it for any other match before tickets have gone on sale, we’ve also not done that for any matches where away support has been as big as Hartlepool and we’ve not done it for bigger games such as Halifax last season. All of that combined with the fact that Challinor coming to us caused a lot of bad blood at Hartlepool could look like we’re sticking it to them on the last away day of what could be their last season in the EFL. Our club has grown its fanbase enormously over the last year or so and the last few games has shown the demand potential so surely it makes sense to act on that now and plan accordingly for a game where it’s very likely we’ll be able to fill that space. And the size of the away following isn’t really of our concern as long as we are meeting the minimum requirements. The only other option would be to not yet release the RE for either club and gauge the actual demand but again based on what we’ve seen recently it makes absolute sense for us to do this. Are you really saying that in a game which could decide which league we could be un next season that you’d put away fans ahead of home fans. No I’m not saying that the club should put away fans ahead of its own, of course I’m not. I’m saying the club offering the railway end to home fans before the tickets have even gone on sale, which isn’t the norm (even for the last game of last season where the result determined whether we got out of the NL or not), is not treating Hartlepool the same way we’d want to be treated if the shoe was on the other foot.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Apr 11, 2023 20:05:56 GMT
If we are giving them at least the minimum number of tickets under league rules and if we are likely to ell out the rest of the ground to home fans (which seems possible given recent games) why would it reflect badly on us. Only possible issue is away fans trying to buy in home ends, but not going to bel easy for a bunch of Smurfs to pretend they are home fans. I still don’t get that they’d want their last memory of league football to be wandering back down Station Approach dressed as a Smurf. Over 3 hours on a train for an early kick off on a bank holiday, to watch a team managed by your ex manager send you into non league, whilst dressed as a smurf... we're doing them a favour!! Pay us a tenner, get in your comfies and watch in your front room whilst cuddling your toy monkey.
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Post by Nik on Apr 11, 2023 20:06:33 GMT
We’ve had a game where we had the whole of the pop haven’t we? That, with Hartlepool on the RE would seem fairest. But dressing up doesn’t entitle them to more tickets, anyone turning up to a potential relegation out of the league game in fancy dress is weird beyond comprehension that was in the national league or fa Cup. Efl rules say we can't just give the away fans the RE. They have to have 1 block in the together stand The relevant rule: 35.3.1 Each Club must make provision for at least 2,000 visiting supporters at every home match or such number as represents 10% of the Club’s certified capacity, if less than 2,000. The League may, on the prior written application of a Club, suspend this Regulation or reduce the figure either for a particular League Match or for a period of time. Each Club shall, subject to any dispensations granted by the Board, make provision for at least 200 of the visiting supporters (of which not less than 100 must be seats) to be accommodated under cover. Any Club which fails to meet the requirement of 200 visiting supporters being accommodated under cover and which does not have a dispensation granted by the Board shall have such amounts as the Board shall determine (in its absolute discretion) withheld from that Club’s central distributions from the Pool Account until such time as the Club can meet the requirement.www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/efl-regulations/section-5--fixtures/We should give them 10% of the capacity unless we receive special dispensation from the EFL.
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Post by ancienthatter on Apr 11, 2023 20:06:38 GMT
But 2 blocks in the Pop side which is between 800 and 900 is more than enough, Hartlepool don't regularly have a big following, they have a big day out on the last day of the season and we're giving them around double their average away attendance. We’re making that decision before we’ve even put tickets on sale, average attendances are fine but all that goes out of the window when you’re looking at relegation and the final match of the season. If we’d have done what we usually do and sold it after they’d had an opportunity to sell out but didn’t then fair enough, but we haven’t. Are you a Hartlepool fan 😂
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Post by wnm on Apr 11, 2023 20:09:06 GMT
Our club has grown its fanbase enormously over the last year or so and the last few games has shown the demand potential so surely it makes sense to act on that now and plan accordingly for a game where it’s very likely we’ll be able to fill that space. And the size of the away following isn’t really of our concern as long as we are meeting the minimum requirements. The only other option would be to not yet release the RE for either club and gauge the actual demand but again based on what we’ve seen recently it makes absolute sense for us to do this. Are you really saying that in a game which could decide which league we could be un next season that you’d put away fans ahead of home fans. No I’m not saying that the club should put away fans ahead of its own, of course I’m not. I’m saying the club offering the railway end to home fans before the tickets have even gone on sale, which isn’t the norm (even for the last game of last season where the result determined whether we got out of the NL or not), is not treating Hartlepool the same way we’d want to be treated if the shoe was on the other foot. Have you read the post saying EFL requires us to give them at least one block in the pop. If that’s true then you want us to give them that and one block in the pop even though we can sell those seats to home fans? That’s prioritising away fans over home fans. No sensible club would do that.
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Post by dunkerrrrr on Apr 11, 2023 20:09:23 GMT
We’re making that decision before we’ve even put tickets on sale, average attendances are fine but all that goes out of the window when you’re looking at relegation and the final match of the season. If we’d have done what we usually do and sold it after they’d had an opportunity to sell out but didn’t then fair enough, but we haven’t. Are you a Hartlepool fan 😂 Resoundingly no 😂
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 11, 2023 20:11:37 GMT
Our club has grown its fanbase enormously over the last year or so and the last few games has shown the demand potential so surely it makes sense to act on that now and plan accordingly for a game where it’s very likely we’ll be able to fill that space. And the size of the away following isn’t really of our concern as long as we are meeting the minimum requirements. The only other option would be to not yet release the RE for either club and gauge the actual demand but again based on what we’ve seen recently it makes absolute sense for us to do this. Are you really saying that in a game which could decide which league we could be un next season that you’d put away fans ahead of home fans. No I’m not saying that the club should put away fans ahead of its own, of course I’m not. I’m saying the club offering the railway end to home fans before the tickets have even gone on sale, which isn’t the norm (even for the last game of last season where the result determined whether we got out of the NL or not), is not treating Hartlepool the same way we’d want to be treated if the shoe was on the other foot. If the roles were reversed I’d expect Hartlepool or Dale to do the exact same to us. And I wouldn’t blame them in the slightest. Clubs should put their own fans first. It makes a change from the 90s where Elwood used to prioritise making money off away fans (and even fleecing County fans on occasion) over the best thing for County fans.
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Post by Philcounty on Apr 11, 2023 21:23:16 GMT
Dale fan asked their chairman if it had been cleared with him and he says not. By my understanding we have to give them 1,030 ish so not sure what we're playing at here.
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Post by mat1scfc on Apr 11, 2023 21:36:53 GMT
Dale fan asked their chairman if it had been cleared with him and he says not. By my understanding we have to give them 1,030 ish so not sure what we're playing at here. goes on to say we've already cancelled some of there're tickets and they will address it in the morning.
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Post by CB1883 on Apr 11, 2023 22:11:15 GMT
Am I missing something here? Why are fans some of our fans complaining about this?
I’m glad we’ve made the decision early and I won’t be losing any sleep over a lower amount of away fans. Both Rochdale and Hartlepool will be home sellouts. We only got about 800 tickets for Hartlepool away. You’ll get some saying ‘well that’s the allocation’ but guess what? What we’ve given to them is their allocation.
We aren’t here to please Hartlepool and Rochdale. I’m glad that we’ve taken the decision we have and I’m glad more home fans will be in attendance.
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Post by mat1scfc on Apr 11, 2023 22:17:14 GMT
Am I missing something here? Why are fans some of our fans complaining about this? I’m glad we’ve made the decision early and I won’t be losing any sleep over a lower amount of away fans. Both Rochdale and Hartlepool will be home sellouts. We only got about 800 tickets for Hartlepool away. You’ll get some saying ‘well that’s the allocation’ but guess what? What we’ve given to them is their allocation. We aren’t here to please Hartlepool and Rochdale. I’m glad that we’ve taken the decision we have and I’m glad more home fans will be in attendance. no that I really care what we give them. What we have actually given them is not enough tickets due to efl rules. They are both about 400 short each. Especially as Rochdale apparently haven't a clue this was gonna happen and most likely the same for Hartlepool, it's unlikely but this could lead to am investigation unless we give them more tickets or come to a solution but both clubs will both push for the normal away allocation of about 1400. Both teams fans could end up buying tickets in the railway end anyway and that could get messy.
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