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Post by stockytwo on May 26, 2023 6:40:43 GMT
I wasn’t getting into the crowd noncing bollox but if we take less than 2008 then it is rather piss poor tbh. We’ve grown as a club despite the quick turnaround and shit KO time I really thought we’d take very good numbers. I’ve not got much money as haven’t many others, but not going to miss it. These trips don’t come around often. Yeah I agree. Less than 2008 would be really poor given that our attendances are up around 30% since that year. Even accounting for the travel stuff and cost of living etc we should be taking at least the same. It would be a real surprise to me if we took less.
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Post by timberwolf on May 26, 2023 7:28:06 GMT
Yeah I agree. Less than 2008 would be really poor given that our attendances are up around 30% since that year. Even accounting for the travel stuff and cost of living etc we should be taking at least the same. It would be a real surprise to me if we took less. If we do not match that number is it back to something we have previously discussed on here. The fact that it does not feel like a promotion season as well as all the other reasons mentioned.
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Post by redhatter on May 26, 2023 15:11:36 GMT
Not for that game. The Co-op had 427 community tickets remaining from last season, but those had all been allocated earlier this season. No idea why there was so many empty seats on Saturday. Some people were stood at the back of the stands. The official attendance was 300 down on the capacity. The Club have said they will look into potential misuse of free under 5 tickets season tickets. They have said they will check the data as to whether these free season tickets are actually being used. I have heard a few people boasting that they only buy them to create extra space. A real shame if that is the case, because the offer of a free season ticket for under 5's was a very good gesture by the Club. Has the club got any business checking up on whether season tickets are being used? There’s nothing in the terms and conditions about having to be used a minimum number of times or anything. What happens if someone can’t go or can’t take their kid because they’re ill or something? FWIW, I agree that any abuse should be stopped but what are they actually going to do if they check if a ticket has been used or not? Nothing, there’s nothing they can do. I’m not entirely sure what the abuse is either. Are people really going to the trouble of buying a ticket for a child that doesn’t exist just to have an extra free seat? There’s no other benefit of doing it. These under 5's season tickets have been provided free of charge, so I think the Club have a right to check usage. There's a big difference, for example, between a kid using the ticket on Saturday games, but not midweek - and an adult fan taking a free under 5's child season ticket, just so they can have a free seat next to them. I think the Club will be looking for under 5's season tickets that don't end up being used throughout the season. I have heard a couple of individuals boasting about 'buying' a under 5's ST to create more space and it's been mentioned on here a few times too. Unless the Club look into the data, we aren't going to know. There seems to be lots of empty seats for "sold out" games.
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Post by HTC on May 26, 2023 16:38:51 GMT
Has the club got any business checking up on whether season tickets are being used? There’s nothing in the terms and conditions about having to be used a minimum number of times or anything. What happens if someone can’t go or can’t take their kid because they’re ill or something? FWIW, I agree that any abuse should be stopped but what are they actually going to do if they check if a ticket has been used or not? Nothing, there’s nothing they can do. I’m not entirely sure what the abuse is either. Are people really going to the trouble of buying a ticket for a child that doesn’t exist just to have an extra free seat? There’s no other benefit of doing it. These under 5's season tickets have been provided free of charge, so I think the Club have a right to check usage. There's a big difference, for example, between a kid using the ticket on Saturday games, but not midweek - and an adult fan taking a free under 5's child season ticket, just so they can have a free seat next to them. I think the Club will be looking for under 5's season tickets that don't end up being used throughout the season. I have heard a couple of individuals boasting about 'buying' a under 5's ST to create more space and it's been mentioned on here a few times too. Unless the Club look into the data, we aren't going to know. There seems to be lots of empty seats for "sold out" games.
have to say a lot of the current stuff around the Under5 STs feels rather like a PR campaign from the club to justify not selling free U5 STs next season, and just selling a general kids ST for all ages.
However, I'll happily accept that it's a bit different offering such a ticket when there were only 3000 in the ground to when we're close to selling out most games.
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Post by suedehead on May 26, 2023 16:57:59 GMT
Has the club got any business checking up on whether season tickets are being used? There’s nothing in the terms and conditions about having to be used a minimum number of times or anything. What happens if someone can’t go or can’t take their kid because they’re ill or something? FWIW, I agree that any abuse should be stopped but what are they actually going to do if they check if a ticket has been used or not? Nothing, there’s nothing they can do. I’m not entirely sure what the abuse is either. Are people really going to the trouble of buying a ticket for a child that doesn’t exist just to have an extra free seat? There’s no other benefit of doing it. These under 5's season tickets have been provided free of charge, so I think the Club have a right to check usage. There's a big difference, for example, between a kid using the ticket on Saturday games, but not midweek - and an adult fan taking a free under 5's child season ticket, just so they can have a free seat next to them. I think the Club will be looking for under 5's season tickets that don't end up being used throughout the season. I have heard a couple of individuals boasting about 'buying' a under 5's ST to create more space and it's been mentioned on here a few times too. Unless the Club look into the data, we aren't going to know. There seems to be lots of empty seats for "sold out" games. Again, I don’t disagree with any of that. I just don’t think it’s anywhere near the top of the ticketing problems list. If I was at the club charged with fixing ticketing pain points, I certainly wouldn’t be prioritising that. We’ve got a platform that shits itself and shuts down if more than a few hundred people buy at once. Maybe start there? And, as an aside, whether the STs were free or not, there hasn’t ever been anything about them having to be used for a minimum number of games or anything. But as HTC says, I suspect any noise around this is to justify putting a charge on kids tickets. Anyway, f*ck it. Who cares. It’s play off final weekend. This can wait.
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Post by desmond on May 26, 2023 17:31:03 GMT
These under 5's season tickets have been provided free of charge, so I think the Club have a right to check usage. There's a big difference, for example, between a kid using the ticket on Saturday games, but not midweek - and an adult fan taking a free under 5's child season ticket, just so they can have a free seat next to them. I think the Club will be looking for under 5's season tickets that don't end up being used throughout the season. I have heard a couple of individuals boasting about 'buying' a under 5's ST to create more space and it's been mentioned on here a few times too. Unless the Club look into the data, we aren't going to know. There seems to be lots of empty seats for "sold out" games. Again, I don’t disagree with any of that. I just don’t think it’s anywhere near the top of the ticketing problems list. If I was at the club charged with fixing ticketing pain points, I certainly wouldn’t be prioritising that. We’ve got a platform that shits itself and shuts down if more than a few hundred people buy at once. Maybe start there? And, as an aside, whether the STs were free or not, there hasn’t ever been anything about them having to be used for a minimum number of games or anything. But as HTC says, I suspect any noise around this is to justify putting a charge on kids tickets. Anyway, f*ck it. Who cares. It’s play off final weekend. This can wait. There was no minimum number of games for the kids to attend but that’s not to say it can’t be changed for next season, especially at a time when we’ve had lots of sell out games with people often commenting/complaining about empty seats.
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Post by redhatter on May 27, 2023 7:51:12 GMT
Again, I don’t disagree with any of that. I just don’t think it’s anywhere near the top of the ticketing problems list. If I was at the club charged with fixing ticketing pain points, I certainly wouldn’t be prioritising that. We’ve got a platform that shits itself and shuts down if more than a few hundred people buy at once. Maybe start there? And, as an aside, whether the STs were free or not, there hasn’t ever been anything about them having to be used for a minimum number of games or anything. But as HTC says, I suspect any noise around this is to justify putting a charge on kids tickets. Anyway, f*ck it. Who cares. It’s play off final weekend. This can wait. There was no minimum number of games for the kids to attend but that’s not to say it can’t be changed for next season, especially at a time when we’ve had lots of sell out games with people often commenting/complaining about empty seats. If the season tickets are genuinely being bought for under 5's, I don't have an issue, even if they aren't being used every game. If the they are bring 'bought' / taken so some selfish bugger can have a bit more space, then sod them.... A real shame if some people are abusing the scheme, as I thought it was a really good gesture by the Club and this can be used as an excuse to scrap it. The reality is that we are selling out most home games and paying customers are being locked out. I think we do need to understand why there are 300 to 500 empty seats for these 'sell outs'. I would like the Club to be offering free tickets to junior football clubs, but it's much harder to make the argument now. As for the comments suedehead has made, I agree there are many other problems with the ticketing system and the Club / ticket provider need to address these, particularly issues with crashing due to high demand. The Club has committed to the existing provider for another year, as they believe all systems have issues (Tom Mahon has a lot of experience of the systems at City). These issues have been raised with the Club, lets hope they can be ironed out.
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Post by timberwolf on May 27, 2023 8:15:44 GMT
There was no minimum number of games for the kids to attend but that’s not to say it can’t be changed for next season, especially at a time when we’ve had lots of sell out games with people often commenting/complaining about empty seats. If the season tickets are genuinely being bought for under 5's, I don't have an issue, even if they aren't being used every game. If the they are bring 'bought' / taken so some selfish bugger can have a bit more space, then sod them.... A real shame if some people are abusing the scheme, as I thought it was a really good gesture by the Club and this can be used as an excuse to scrap it. The reality is that we are selling out most home games and paying customers are being locked out. I think we do need to understand why there are 300 to 500 empty seats for these 'sell outs'. I would like the Club to be offering free tickets to junior football clubs, but it's much harder to make the argument now. Might be an idea for the club to charge say a tenner for under 5 tickets as it could put off non genuine buyers. The need for a system to be introduced to sell non attending ST holders seats has never been as important as it is now. Doubt any present ST holder is bothered either for a refund as many know the day they purchase the ticket it will not be used for every fixture.
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Post by vicar on May 27, 2023 10:54:01 GMT
I,ll start with 15,000 county and 20,000 Carlisle ? You got our bit right on ticket sales anyway, I still think there'll be over 40,000 in the stadium.
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Post by David Schofield on May 27, 2023 11:19:09 GMT
There was no minimum number of games for the kids to attend but that’s not to say it can’t be changed for next season, especially at a time when we’ve had lots of sell out games with people often commenting/complaining about empty seats. If the season tickets are genuinely being bought for under 5's, I don't have an issue, even if they aren't being used every game. If the they are bring 'bought' / taken so some selfish bugger can have a bit more space, then sod them.... A real shame if some people are abusing the scheme, as I thought it was a really good gesture by the Club and this can be used as an excuse to scrap it. The reality is that we are selling out most home games and paying customers are being locked out. I think we do need to understand why there are 300 to 500 empty seats for these 'sell outs'. I would like the Club to be offering free tickets to junior football clubs, but it's much harder to make the argument now. As for the comments suedehead has made, I agree there are many other problems with the ticketing system and the Club / ticket provider need to address these, particularly issues with crashing due to high demand. The Club has committed to the existing provider for another year, as they believe all systems have issues (Tom Mahon has a lot of experience of the systems at City). These issues have been raised with the Club, lets hope they can be ironed out. If you recall the first few how games of the season it kicked off immediately after the game outside the ground and on Mercian Way where the away coaches were parked - there will have been families who saw that and thought f*ck that I'm not bringing my pre-school aged kids back here season ticket or not
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Post by redhatter on May 27, 2023 13:49:31 GMT
If the season tickets are genuinely being bought for under 5's, I don't have an issue, even if they aren't being used every game. If the they are bring 'bought' / taken so some selfish bugger can have a bit more space, then sod them.... A real shame if some people are abusing the scheme, as I thought it was a really good gesture by the Club and this can be used as an excuse to scrap it. The reality is that we are selling out most home games and paying customers are being locked out. I think we do need to understand why there are 300 to 500 empty seats for these 'sell outs'. I would like the Club to be offering free tickets to junior football clubs, but it's much harder to make the argument now. As for the comments suedehead has made, I agree there are many other problems with the ticketing system and the Club / ticket provider need to address these, particularly issues with crashing due to high demand. The Club has committed to the existing provider for another year, as they believe all systems have issues (Tom Mahon has a lot of experience of the systems at City). These issues have been raised with the Club, lets hope they can be ironed out. If you recall the first few how games of the season it kicked off immediately after the game outside the ground and on Mercian Way where the away coaches were parked - there will have been families who saw that and thought f*ck that I'm not bringing my pre-school aged kids back here season ticket or not Absolutely. I can understand the thinking if families see a load of trouble - there is no way they will want their youngsters near that! I wouldn't blame them for not bringing an under 5, if they've witnessed a load of idiots kicking off. It does come back to a couple of points; firstly the under 5's season tickets have no value (so fans don't care if they are used or not) and secondly, there is no facility to return season tickets that aren't being used. When we met the Club we raised the point about exchanging unused season tickets. It is a tricky one for the Club, as they said on most occasions, the Club are selling out last minute / the day before / on the day, so there's no time for them to do anything. The exceptions would be Hartlepool and Salford (play offs). Some season ticket holders will give their ticket to friends or family, but some are clearly being unused. I hope the Club can find a solution to this. Maybe a fan to fan exchange, where we can swop tickets for face value? I don't think the Club are going to want tickets returned, unless the game is completely sold out - and even then it's just hassle for them. The other issue with the Club's ticketing system is that when you buy away tickets, only the lead name on the season ticket can buy tickets and they have one opportunity. One of the Co-op board members has 19 ST's on their name, so they can't buy any away tickets at a later date. The season tickets need to be linked to individuals - not the lead name.
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Post by cypriothatter on May 28, 2023 6:06:43 GMT
I read on a Carlisle forum they have sold 14,800. Sorry if it's been said already but do we know how many we have sold?
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Post by Durango95 on May 28, 2023 6:47:33 GMT
If you recall the first few how games of the season it kicked off immediately after the game outside the ground and on Mercian Way where the away coaches were parked - there will have been families who saw that and thought f*ck that I'm not bringing my pre-school aged kids back here season ticket or not Absolutely. I can understand the thinking if families see a load of trouble - there is no way they will want their youngsters near that! I wouldn't blame them for not bringing an under 5, if they've witnessed a load of idiots kicking off. It does come back to a couple of points; firstly the under 5's season tickets have no value (so fans don't care if they are used or not) and secondly, there is no facility to return season tickets that aren't being used. When we met the Club we raised the point about exchanging unused season tickets. It is a tricky one for the Club, as they said on most occasions, the Club are selling out last minute / the day before / on the day, so there's no time for them to do anything. The exceptions would be Hartlepool and Salford (play offs). Some season ticket holders will give their ticket to friends or family, but some are clearly being unused. I hope the Club can find a solution to this. Maybe a fan to fan exchange, where we can swop tickets for face value? I don't think the Club are going to want tickets returned, unless the game is completely sold out - and even then it's just hassle for them. The other issue with the Club's ticketing system is that when you buy away tickets, only the lead name on the season ticket can buy tickets and they have one opportunity. One of the Co-op board members has 19 ST's on their name, so they can't buy any away tickets at a later date. The season tickets need to be linked to individuals - not the lead name. On the flip side, as a youngster seeing it kick off made me want to go even more tbh!
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Post by The Real Exile on May 28, 2023 6:58:08 GMT
Odd init, I was thrilled by the edge as a youngster at some games. Must be an individual thing as others flee at the first sign of trouble.
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Post by Philcounty on May 28, 2023 7:47:03 GMT
I read on a Carlisle forum they have sold 14,800. Sorry if it's been said already but do we know how many we have sold? The last update from the club said over 15k and they were on sale for a while after that. I'm guessing it will be around the 16k mark.
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